Minki San 2020 年 3 月 16 日 下午 4:05
Anyone know how to revert steam to the old UI?
I really cannot get used to the new interface. I had a heart attack in November and haven't been on my PC for a while. There was a way to revert it back but I cannot find out how all this time later.
引用自 Jonius7:
"Getting used to the new UI?" Heck no. Not without some help.

I've put out a set of Tweaks to the Steam Library and made an app to apply them:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/for_a_better_steam_client/discussions/0/2970650017896633625/
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Mentok 2020 年 6 月 9 日 下午 5:08 
引用自 aiusepsi
引用自 Minki San
Well for starters, using Playnite or GOG Galaxy I can see my entire list of installed games by adjusting the zoom level, I used to be able to do this in Steam, I can no longer do this. Taking a feature away is not progress.
There's an "Display size for Library user interface elements" option in the Steam options to make stuff like game covers smaller.

I went to sort by software instead of games and this option is gone as far as I can see.
The drop down directly under the home button can be used to switch from seeing games only to software, tools, soundtracks, videos, or any combination of any of the above.

is it possible to make them 1px x 1px so that they are so small the UI resorts to killing all of the BS graphics and instead somehow begins to display a simple, readable, and usable interface clear of all the jersey BS they've crammed into it
Minki San 2020 年 6 月 10 日 上午 7:39 
引用自 Ogami
引用自 Außenseiter
For some god forsaken reason steam now doesn't launch unless you update to the new version.
We need new solution.

No, you just need to accept that things change and you don't always get what you want.
Like others in this thread, go use GOG Galaxy or other similar multi clients if you don't want to use the new UI. That are your only options at this point.

GOG is definitely a way forward. There are plenty of integrations, its open for customisation, you can manage all of your game library from one spot and having Steam run in small mode in the background means you don't have to put up with the poor performance.

I wish I didn't have almost 1000 games on Steam but lesson learned. I shall not be purchasing directly from Steam again. They do not care about a chunk of their user base who aren't happy as they want to force advertising on us.

I don't think it will make a bit of difference to Steam and their approach but that doesn't matter to me, I will be using GOG for now.

For anyone else wanting Steam to change, just move on to something you prefer, GOG is fantastic, Playnite is good. I am sure there are more out there but Valve have probably not even noticed the upset, especially if their profits haven't changed.

In short, Valve don't care about you, they care about money, the new UI has either not affected or increased their profit. If you don't like that, move on because Valve don't care.
mashakos 2020 年 6 月 12 日 上午 5:45 
引用自 crunchyfrog
Change is the nature of all things.
bad change needs to be corrected. See: the fall of civilisation in the dark ages. Was a change sure, not one you would accept or live in.
ToriK 2020 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:29 
I'm willing to accept the new ui for the clunky cluttered mess that it is, but at least let us turn off the "what's new" section, I swear it's the worst offender.
Outsider 2020 年 6 月 13 日 上午 4:17 
引用自 ToriK
I'm willing to accept the new ui for the clunky cluttered mess that it is, but at least let us turn off the "what's new" section, I swear it's the worst offender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMC3pSVViiA
76561188078797539 2020 年 6 月 14 日 上午 6:26 
引用自 Minki San
GOG is definitely a way forward.
The same company that just removed it's awesome tiny Downloader and left you with a choice of their own client (that so loves to datamine you), or download (and good luck with that the way their servers love to drop the connection...) through their main site that now runs in partnership with a Tencent subsidiary (gog-statics are handled by DNSPod, which has been bought out by Tencent years ago)?

Myeah, I'd rather get google-mined than feed any information to something under control of the CCP.

Doesn't look like "a way forward" from where I'm standing - and I was a vocal proponent of GOG back when they really seemed to care about customers, their site worked without third-party scripts or any other tracking elements, and you could queue up all your offline installers into GOGDownloader and go do something else while they downloaded.

More on topic... I used to pretty religiously check "All New Releases" in the old Steam store, where it was something available immediately with one click. Bought a bunch of smaller titles that way, too.

Then came the store overhaul and the bloat that came with it. Started to ignore the store page in long stretches of time, because what I was interested in (information about all new games, not just "we want you to buy THIS" ones) was buried under tons of irrelevant crap. Still kept checking every now and then.

Then came the eyesore that is the current "mobile" look, with its idiotic design burying pretty much everything I relied on to stay more-though-mostly-less informed about my main hobby... I did the whole "revert to old version thing," and stopped looking at the store.

Now can't even keep the old UI for "My Library" functionality.

KK, Steam. I got plenty of games already, there are multiple indies who either self-release, or use other services that don't cause my eyes to bleed looking at their store pages, and even more open-source projects that tickle both my gamer and programmer/designer fancy.

We're not the customers anymore, which is not surprising considering that the industry rumor states Steam makes more money from all the advertisement they do than direct sales. Which would explain the drive to cram as much ad space in pages as possible, I guess.
最后由 76561188078797539 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 14 日 上午 6:34
Minki San 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 12:51 
引用自 Sheepify
引用自 Minki San
GOG is definitely a way forward.
The same company that just removed it's awesome tiny Downloader and left you with a choice of their own client (that so loves to datamine you), or download (and good luck with that the way their servers love to drop the connection...) through their main site that now runs in partnership with a Tencent subsidiary (gog-statics are handled by DNSPod, which has been bought out by Tencent years ago)?

Myeah, I'd rather get google-mined than feed any information to something under control of the CCP.

I don’t think the Chinese government are that interested in what games I am currently interested in or playing so I’m not too bothered what they know about me.

On the flip side, I was simply talking about the UI I prefer to view my games library with. I really hate what Steam has (graphically) become and I completely agree that we are not the customer anymore. It’s why all those who hate the new UI need to find the Library manager we like and stop buying from Steam. Those that like it can keep using it.
76561188078797539 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 1:01 
引用自 Minki San
I don’t think the Chinese government are that interested in what games I am currently interested in or playing so I’m not too bothered what they know about me.
This kind of information can be (and, based on what infosec people know, is) used to target dissidents or other person of interest.

I just don't see making it easier for them, in any shape or form, as a decent thing to do, and don't much care for tech companies that cooperate with "totally not Party-controlled" Chinese corporations.

Especially when there are plenty of alternatives. Personally, I suspect CDPR got some sweet, sweet financial investment in exchange for this move. Just like when they pushed Facebook integration on their store page literally weeks after the whole Cambridge Analytica scandal came out (and a few weeks before GDPR went into effect).
引用自 Minki San
On the flip side, I was simply talking about the UI I prefer to view my games library with. I really hate what Steam has (graphically) become and I completely agree that we are not the customer anymore. It’s why all those who hate the new UI need to find the Library manager we like and stop buying from Steam. Those that like it can keep using it.
Unfortunately, gaming is an area of entertainment where any anti-customer practices you start today will be accepted as a norm by the next generation of gamers.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 3:18 
引用自 Sheepify
引用自 Minki San
GOG is definitely a way forward.
The same company that just removed it's awesome tiny Downloader and left you with a choice of their own client (that so loves to datamine you), or download (and good luck with that the way their servers love to drop the connection...) through their main site that now runs in partnership with a Tencent subsidiary (gog-statics are handled by DNSPod, which has been bought out by Tencent years ago)?

Myeah, I'd rather get google-mined than feed any information to something under control of the CCP.
Frankly speaking you're likely vastly overestimating the ability of the Chinese Communist Party to do... what? Assuming that you don't even live in Mainland China this is a moot point. If data privacy is your concern then organizations like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon should be a far bigger concern, given their reach.

Anyhow, even if GOG is as insidious as you claim, here are a bunch more places to buy DRM-free games:

* Some developers/publishers have their own web stores which are DRM-free.
* Denpasoft: reportedly, it's DRM-free, but may have limited downloads.
* DLsite: reportedly, it depends on the game.
* FireFlower: all games are DRM-free.
* GameJolt: at least some games are DRM-free?
* GamersGate: it indicates DRM scheme or "DRM-free" on store pages. While the downloader requires communicating with the server to fetch the installer, the installer is DRM-free.
* Humble Store: games with a "DRM free" icon are available as direct downloads. (Steam keys are commonly available alongside them.)
* itch.io: it should say that you get access to installer files. (Steam keys are commonly available alongside them.) This platform specializes in indie games.
* JAST USA: all games are DRM-free. This store only sells visual novels.
* MangaGamer: all games are DRM-free. This store only sells visual novels, I think.
* Playism: read the information on the store page. Many of its games are available DRM-free. (Many of its games come with Steam keys. These two groups of games overlap a lot, but not always.) The games on its store are the rather extensive catalogue of games it's published in various regions; the company specializes in publishing games into new regions, I think.
* Zoom-platform: all games are DRM-free, from what I've heard?

There are probably others I don't know of yet.

In any case, I haven't had problems with GOG dropping my connection when I'm downloading installers. But if you do, you may want to look into Humble Store, which offers (legal) torrents for their game installers, which will naturally support download resume much more nicely than a browser does.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 3:19
76561188078797539 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 3:32 
Frankly speaking you're likely vastly overestimating the ability of the Chinese Communist Party to do... what?
A little bit of this[www.nytimes.com], a little bit of that[www.cia.gov].

Access to user e-devices, or even just tracking them, is a huge element of both.

Assuming that you don't even live in Mainland China this is a moot point.
Hardly. See above. The whole point of infiltration of communication and computer networks outside of China itself is to extend their reach against desired targets.

Would I ever personally end up being one? Unlikely. Doesn't mean I am going to tolerate it happening to those that will.

If data privacy is your concern then organizations like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon should be a far bigger concern, given their reach.
The difference is that these corporate entities, as dangerous as they are to modern democracies, can still run afoul of genuinely representative governments (see more recent moves by the EU in that area).

Whereas there is nothing mitigating the potential danger of Chinese "companies" that, when you look closely enough, are merely extension of government agencies more often than not..

Anyhow, even if GOG is as insidious as you claim, here are a bunch more places to buy DRM-free games
Thank you for the list, but I am aware of it. The problem is the virtual monopoly of Steam ensuring vast majority of titles being offered just here, or - even if sold elsewhere - still relying on Steam anyway.

Which is why I'm upset with GOG's changes so much - because they had the potential to be the only viable genuine alternative to Steam, and now even that is gone.

Instead of embracing privacy as a "core value" (funny how that list of theirs got deprecated with time), GOG instead decided to jump in on the corporate bandwagon at the expense of its own customers.

Corporations do as corporations do, but still a great shame in that respect.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 3:53 
引用自 Sheepify
Frankly speaking you're likely vastly overestimating the ability of the Chinese Communist Party to do... what?
A little bit of this[www.nytimes.com], a little bit of that[www.cia.gov].

Access to user e-devices, or even just tracking them, is a huge element of both.
And frankly speaking you're just talking about websites knowing who visits them from what corners of the globe and who from what country bought what. This is standard website visitor stats and business recordkeeping.

Meanwhile, you're allergic to eeevil communist China, and have a taste for the slippery slope.

引用自 Sheepify
If data privacy is your concern then organizations like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon should be a far bigger concern, given their reach.
The difference is that these corporate entities, as dangerous as they are to modern democracies, can still run afoul of genuinely representative governments (see more recent moves by the EU in that area).

Whereas there is nothing mitigating the potential danger of Chinese "companies" that, when you look closely enough, are merely extension of government agencies more often than not..
There is no magical evil that "genuinely representative governments" are able to avoid/quash but runs rampant in China.

Heck, the Chinese government, by virtue of being a government entity, is more likely to be bound by its own rules and also have better recordkeeping, compared to a profit-seeking, non-governmental, multinational corporation.

引用自 Sheepify
Which is why I'm upset with GOG's changes so much - because they had the potential to be the only viable genuine alternative to Steam, and now even that is gone.
It's not "gone"; you just don't like it for reasons.

(Let's not forget that Steam does far more with datamining.)

Anyhow, since you've mentioned repeatedly that you've had trouble with downloading from the browser (though I haven't had any such problems), I actually went and looked up open-source GOG downloaders, and:

https://github.com/Sude-/lgogdownloader
https://github.com/eddie3/gogrepo
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 3:54
76561188078797539 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 4:24 
And frankly speaking you're just talking about websites knowing who visits them from what corners of the globe and who from what country bought what.
No, I'm talking about various methods of obtaining software and hardware fingerprints.

Last time I looked at those off-site GOG scripts they generated a hash of various agent user information. Something that can be very much used for online tracking of an individual computer, because few people bother using more than one browser, and fewer still go to the lengths of obfuscating even a portion of the easily accessible unique identifiers you can pull that way.

This is standard website visitor stats and business recordkeeping.
The same way that Steam and Google do "just standard" datamining?
Meanwhile, you're allergic to eeevil communist China, and have a taste for the slippery slope.
What exactly was this non-sequitur supposed to have achieved?
There is no magical evil that "genuinely representative governments" are able to avoid/quash but runs rampant in China.
Are you for real?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Just one quick example of things I'd rather not experience in my life.
Heck, the Chinese government, by virtue of being a government entity, is more likely to be bound by its own rules and also have better recordkeeping, compared to a profit-seeking, non-governmental, multinational corporation.
As bad as current political situation in the west is, comparing these governments to the farce that is China's makes me wonder just why I should bother with this exchange at all.
It's not "gone"; you just don't like it for reasons.
I guess at this point you're just arguing for argument's sake? You know very well what I meant.
(Let's not forget that Steam does far more with datamining.)
I'm aware of it. I'm not happy about it, but "I have nothing to hide" people made certain there are no viable alternatives about.

Ironically, a long time ago, long before GDPR forced Steam to disclose the association, when I mentioned Steam feeding Google with user data and device fingerprints (something I heard about firsthand from a software engineer that quit Google over moral objections to their business methodology), I got called the usual "tinfoil hatter" by people with limited, if any, knowledge of the subject.
Anyhow, since you've mentioned repeatedly that you've had trouble with downloading from the browser (though I haven't had any such problems), I actually went and looked up open-source GOG downloaders, and
apparently failed to notice that the first one is for Linux only - and, at this point, won't work because GOG removed the server-side references that GOGDownloader, no matter the OS it ran on, required to work, and the second is a python script that uses http download framework anyway(just like a browser, and prone to the same kind of errors) - something I looked into, by the by.

But thanks for contrariness for contrariness' sake, I guess.
最后由 76561188078797539 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 4:27
Shendue 2020 年 6 月 29 日 下午 4:46 
引用自 Ogami
引用自 Außenseiter
For some god forsaken reason steam now doesn't launch unless you update to the new version.
We need new solution.

No, you just need to accept that things change and you dont always get what you want.
Like others in this thread, go use GOG Galaxy or other similar multi clients if you dont want to use the new UI. That are your only options at this point.

Oh, I'm all for change, when it is an IMPROVEMENT.
When it removes functionality and/or make an interface look needlessy cluttered, complex and distracting, I thing that's a step backwards.
I don't mind Steam changing their interface, as long as they listen to customer feedback. Which they usually don't.
I've had experience of companies changing the UI of some software for the worse and, when people complained, they actually listened and made improvements to make it better.
Shendue 2020 年 6 月 29 日 下午 4:51 
引用自 Außenseiter
引用自 ToriK
I'm willing to accept the new ui for the clunky cluttered mess that it is, but at least let us turn off the "what's new" section, I swear it's the worst offender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMC3pSVViiA

Still prefer the old UI, but getting rid of all that bloat makes it a bit more bearable, thanks.
I regularly check the shop, I have no need for all that annoying clutter.
I also minimized the thumbnails and configured them to show the games in order of review score, which at least makes the info somewhat useful, albeit presented in an annoying way.
最后由 Shendue 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 29 日 下午 4:51
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 6 月 29 日 下午 5:42 
Get rid of more bloat by using -no-browser.
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