Fox 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:34
Steam wants my SIN #, are you kidding me?
Seriously, are you kidding me?

First off, I'm Canadian, so does that mean I can't sell more than 200 items just because I'm not a US American? Also, who in their right mind would willingly give out their SIN number to Steam in the name of IRC (Internet Relay Chat). Assuming that's an unprofessional typo and not actual admitance to scamming. But even if it was legit, who in their right mind would take that risk? I mean, identity theft happens all the time...

It's blatant stupidity is what it is.

https://i.imgur.com/U3U4WY2.png

If Steam truly cares about our personal security and account security, they'd find a better / less invasive procedure for being able to sell more items.
最後修改者:Fox; 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:39
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Gus the Crocodile 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:43 
引用自 Fox
who in their right mind would willingly give out their SIN number to Steam in the name of IRC (Internet Relay Chat). Assuming that's an unprofessional typo...
So you didn't actually read the text then? Internal Revenue Code.

If you're not American, you just click the button saying so, and that's the end of the process.
Start_Running 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:43 
引用自 Fox
Seriously, are you kidding me?

First off, I'm Canadian, so does that mean I can't sell more than 200 items just because I'm not a pretentious US American?

Actually americans have to do the same thing when they hit that barrier. Everyone does.
Matt 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:52 
You can read more here: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-09-19.pdf

You can search for "200" and see the reference.
Fox 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:52 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
引用自 Fox
who in their right mind would willingly give out their SIN number to Steam in the name of IRC (Internet Relay Chat). Assuming that's an unprofessional typo...
So you didn't actually read the text then? Internal Revenue Code.

If you're not American, you just click the button saying so, and that's the end of the process.
I did read it. IRC to me still stands for Internet Relay Chat because that is far more recognised than Internal Revenue Code which no one recognises.

So, based on your 2nd statement, if I just click that I'm not US American, I don't have to provide any info at all? So then, what's the point? Even the US Americans can take advantage of that.

引用自 Start_Running
引用自 Fox
Seriously, are you kidding me?

First off, I'm Canadian, so does that mean I can't sell more than 200 items just because I'm not a pretentious US American?

Actually americans have to do the same thing when they hit that barrier. Everyone does.
So you're saying you're ok with giving out your SIN # to some company you know very little about?
Matt 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:57 
In this context (IRS and taxes), IRC means Internal Revenue Code.
Even if you're not a US citizen then you have to provide some information.

Since it's December 17, just wait for January 1 and the counter will reset to 0. Then you can list 200 items in 2018 without providing information.
最後修改者:Matt; 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:00
Gus the Crocodile 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:04 
引用自 Fox
I did read it. IRC to me still stands for Internet Relay Chat because that is far more recognised than Internal Revenue Code which no one recognises.
Which is why it's written out explicitly in the text, so you didn't have to just recognise it.

引用自 Fox
So, based on your 2nd statement, if I just click that I'm not US American, I don't have to provide any info at all? So then, what's the point? Even the US Americans can take advantage of that.
The "point" is that it's a legal requirement. If some Americans want to commit tax fraud, that's their risk to take.
Fox 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:12 
引用自 Matt
In this context (IRS and taxes), IRC means Internal Revenue Code.
Even if you're not a US citizen then you have to provide some information.

Since it's December 17, just wait for January 1 and the counter will reset to 0. Then you can list 200 items in 2018 without providing information.
You wouldn't happen to know which information I would need to provide would you? Cuz I'm not exactly the kind of person who just broadcasts personal information out there.

I wasn't worried about reaching my 200 limit. I'm currently at 165 and don't really have anything else I'm willing to sell at the moment (aside from the 43 items already on the market which aren't likely to all sell), but that is irrelevant to me because in 2018, this might become an issue depending on how many games I play / buy and receive items to sell again. Which is why I bring it up now. It's a concern and I'd like to figure this out before it does become a problem in the future.

I also don't understand why this is even a thing that exists. The stuff I sell is usually only worth $0.01 - $0.10 anyways. So I might make at the most $10 in a year, most of which is usually spent on other items... that's hardly worth the IRS / tax involvement. Which is why this whole thing seems very suspicious to me.
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Matt 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:19 
It sounds like you're better off not filling out the form. Agree?
Fox 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:33 
引用自 Matt
It sounds like you're better off not filling out the form. Agree?
Well, I just checked it out...

They want my real name and address for some reason among a few other things... seems like I could probably fake it, but that's probably pointless since they grab that info from me every time I add funds to my account anyway. Overall, it does seem like a dumb procedure to me, even for the US Americans... and I do still think it's wrong that they need to provide a SIN number. But if / when the time comes, I think I (as a Canadian) can comply with it. Just as long as I don't need to provide my SIN number or anything else that Steam doesn't deserve to know.
最後修改者:Fox; 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:34
Matt 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:35 
Don't fake the information; that is the worst possible thing to do. They validate it. And if they can't validate the fake information then they will lock your account.
Fox 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:36 
引用自 Matt
Don't fake the information; that is the worst possible thing to do. They validate it. And if they can't validate the fake information then they will lock your account.
Oh, good to know. Thanks
Winged One 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:41 
引用自 Fox
引用自 Matt
It sounds like you're better off not filling out the form. Agree?
Well, I just checked it out...

They want my real name and address for some reason among a few other things... seems like I could probably fake it, but that's probably pointless since they grab that info from me every time I add funds to my account anyway. Overall, it does seem like a dumb procedure to me, even for the US Americans... and I do still think it's wrong that they need to provide a SIN number. But if / when the time comes, I think I (as a Canadian) can comply with it. Just as long as I don't need to provide my SIN number or anything else that Steam doesn't deserve to know.
in the case of US citizens, Valve actually needs to collect that info for tax purposes
Dr. Fronkensteen 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 6:41 
引用自 Fox
引用自 Matt
It sounds like you're better off not filling out the form. Agree?
Well, I just checked it out...

They want my real name and address for some reason among a few other things... seems like I could probably fake it, but that's probably pointless since they grab that info from me every time I add funds to my account anyway. Overall, it does seem like a pointless procedure to me, even for the US Americans... and I do still think it's wrong that they need to provide a SIN number. But if / when the time comes, I think I (as a Canadian) can comply with it. Just as long as I don't need to provide my SIN number or anything else that Steam doesn't deserve to know.

Pointlss or not, it is the law in U.S. Valve, as a U.S. based company has to follow them. As a non U.S. citizen, I believe all you are required to provide is your name and address.

as for faking it, doesn't sound like a good idea. You could probably get a market/trade ban once it is discovered.
RGX12 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 11:15 
引用自 Fox
Seriously, are you kidding me?

First off, I'm Canadian, so does that mean I can't sell more than 200 items just because I'm not a US American? Also, who in their right mind would willingly give out their SIN number to Steam in the name of IRC (Internet Relay Chat). Assuming that's an unprofessional typo and not actual admitance to scamming. But even if it was legit, who in their right mind would take that risk? I mean, identity theft happens all the time...

It's blatant stupidity is what it is.

https://i.imgur.com/U3U4WY2.png

If Steam truly cares about our personal security and account security, they'd find a better / less invasive procedure for being able to sell more items.
My God man, did you really think Steam was asking for this personal information to satisfy some arcane requirement regarding Internet Relay Chat? Let's see, you're reading a document dealing with the sale of items in a marketplace, and hence the potential generation of income. And--it should come as no surprise--in most developed countries such income is the subject of passing interest to a governing body or two, with one of those governing bodies perhaps being better known as the Taxman.

So the Taxman says to Valve, "Hey, you gotta let us know how much those pimply fourteen year-olds you got on your website are making from selling fictitious cards and whatnot. Let 'em know that Section 457.3517-OU812, Paragraph B of the IRC, says that we got the authority to ask for, and obtain, this information.
Then Valve replies, "O.K., Mr. Taxman, we'll be sure to collect that for you."
Then the Taxman says, "Excellent. Hmm, wait... on second thought, instead of that 'I.R.C.' acronym maybe you should fully spell out what it stands for."

Valve: Why?

TM: Well, not everyone's heard of the Internal Revenue Service, or our Revenue Code --which we're quite fond of, by the way. You know, 'Internal Revenue Code' has a nice ring to it. It's very official sounding, and we've found that when people hear that they get a little worried. We like that. Especially when they get so worried that they tell us-- Wait! What if people think it stands for Internet Relay Chat?!?

Valve: Don't be ridiculous. Most folks will be able to get the gist of it from the context. Even Canadians. Besides, we don't actually use that communications protocol anywhere on Steam, so how would anyone jump to such a bizarre conclusion?

TM: Ok, ok. Sounds good, you sold me. But....

Valve: But what?

TM: What?

Valve: But what?

TM: What's a buttwhat?

Valve: No! You said, "But."

TM: Oh? Oh, yes! I'm sorry, I was going to say, what if your users think it stands for "International Rhinoplasty Convention?"

Valve: That's just silly. They're not going to mak--

TM: Intra Rectal Cavity!! They could assume we're... Look, we just can't take that chance, we'll be the laughingstock!

Valve: Will you quit your worryin', man? You're just being paranoid. Nobody is going to make these ridiculous assumptions.

TM: Oh yeah? Well... I mean, how can you be so sure?

Valve: Because the people who use our Steam service are actually pretty smart...
Tev 2017 年 12 月 17 日 下午 11:18 
引用自 Dr. Fronkensteen
引用自 Fox
Well, I just checked it out...

They want my real name and address for some reason among a few other things... seems like I could probably fake it, but that's probably pointless since they grab that info from me every time I add funds to my account anyway. Overall, it does seem like a pointless procedure to me, even for the US Americans... and I do still think it's wrong that they need to provide a SIN number. But if / when the time comes, I think I (as a Canadian) can comply with it. Just as long as I don't need to provide my SIN number or anything else that Steam doesn't deserve to know.

Pointlss or not, it is the law in U.S. Valve, as a U.S. based company has to follow them. As a non U.S. citizen, I believe all you are required to provide is your name and address.

as for faking it, doesn't sound like a good idea. You could probably get a market/trade ban once it is discovered.
Not just probably. Seen someone on the Market forums actually have a restricted account precisely due to providing bogus information. http://steamcommunity.com/groups/community_market/discussions/0/619568793871207418/

Finnish person here, I just posted my info on the non-US form years ago and I haven't heard from them since.
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