Up to how many accs is it safe to operate from 1 IP ?

[1danFromSudan]

if you reply please give references, or explanation why. I mean safe to avoid bans caused by it.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

You can have as many accounts as you want.

IPs have nothing to do with anything.

[Washell]

Entire university dorms are behind a single IP, you'll be fine. Unless the reason you're operating so many accounts in itself is in violation of the SSA and rules of conduct.

[1danFromSudan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

You can have as many accounts as you want.

IPs have nothing to do with anything.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Washell:

Entire university dorms are behind a single IP, you'll be fine. Unless the reason you're operating so many accounts in itself is in violation of the SSA and rules of conduct.

it really does matter, if u dont have hundreds accounts or friends with hundreds of accs u cant really know, i do and i know some people who also operate hundreds accounts and can confirm this.

And well an university dorm isnt 100+ ppl at same time from one connection.

Also no i do not break any rules from Terms of service or anything, just for some stupid reason Steam (or some automated System) thinks if really many accs are connected from 1 IP that they have been stolen/hijacked and they get community ban.

My friend had 126 accs on 1 server, not a single one of them shared email or phone, but ~90 of them one day got banned for "this acc may have been used by accessed by some1 else" and he seriously had to make a ticket with proof of purchase on each one to get them unbanned. And other people i know or in groups/forums im part of also reported similar incidents.
IF IT ISNT OBVIOUS: THE ACCOUNTS WERE NOT HIJACKED AND ALL CREATED BY HIM.

The accs didnt share payment method aswell, all of them just had a 5 USD steam wallet code added to them and no other purchases.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

My friend had 126 accs on 1 server, not a single one of them shared email or phone, but ~90 of them one day got banned for "this acc may have been used by accessed by some1 else" and he seriously had to make a ticket with proof of purchase on each one to get them unbanned. And other people i know or in groups/forums im part of also reported similar incidents.

They also didnt share payment method, all of them just had a 5 USD steam wallet code added to them and no other purchases.

That was someone hijacking the accounts and Valve protecting the accounts. Nothing to do with the amount of accounts a user can create.

Those people play fast and loose with their account credentials and/or have compromised PCs.

[1danFromSudan]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

My friend had 126 accs on 1 server, not a single one of them shared email or phone, but ~90 of them one day got banned for "this acc may have been used by accessed by some1 else" and he seriously had to make a ticket with proof of purchase on each one to get them unbanned. And other people i know or in groups/forums im part of also reported similar incidents.

They also didnt share payment method, all of them just had a 5 USD steam wallet code added to them and no other purchases.

That was someone hijacking the accounts and Valve protecting the accounts. Nothing to do with the amount of accounts a user can create.

Those people play fast and loose with their account credentials and/or have compromised PCs.

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I was never even talking about "how many accounts u can create".... u even read posts when u reply

I have no idea what you mean with "play fast, etc.."

In the incident i wrote about, the accounts were all created by himself. He is not involved in theft of accounts and never was, and as i said he was able to get all the accounts successfully unbanned because he had the ONLY proofs of purchases for them of the wallet codes.

[Washell]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

just for some stupid reason Steam (or some automated System) thinks if really many accs are connected from 1 IP that they have been stolen/hijacked and they get community ban.

It's not stupid when most of the reasons, if not virtually all reasons to operate accounts in such a manner (scams, hijacks, spam, trolling, etc) are a violation of the SSA.

You're not going to get an exact number. There might not even be one, and if there is, Valve will want to keep it classified to keep malicious users on their toes.

[1danFromSudan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Washell:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

just for some stupid reason Steam (or some automated System) thinks if really many accs are connected from 1 IP that they have been stolen/hijacked and they get community ban.

It's not stupid when most of the reasons, if not virtually all reasons to operate accounts in such a manner (scams, hijacks, spam, trolling, etc) are a violation of the SSA.

You're not going to get an exact number. There might not even be one, and if there is, Valve will want to keep it classified to keep malicious users on their toes.

Thats not true, there are soo many LEGITIMATE!! reasons for it for making money, and about that people get extremely creative and come up with stuff the regular user who just uses Steam as a game launcher could never think of. There are legit people who LIVE from Steam earnings and therefore treat it as an actual job.

On the 2nd part i guess ur right sadly... i guess to really be sure i will limit to a low amount of accs per ip.

[Washell]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

there are soo many LEGITIMATE!! reasons for it for making money,

There are no legitimate ways of making money on a steam account and cash out.

If you're going to all that trouble to buy games with market earned money, what's the occasional additional hassle of proving ownership going to matter.

[1danFromSudan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Washell:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

there are soo many LEGITIMATE!! reasons for it for making money,

There are no legitimate ways of making money on a steam account and cash out.

If you're going to all that trouble to buy games with market earned money, what's the occasional additional hassle of proving ownership going to matter.

There are... and i mean actual money not Steam wallet.
But honestly, no need to argue about that, everyone is free to believe whatever they want.

Didnt quite understand what you meant with the 2nd part, im not really buying any games, all games i want i already have since long.
And i dont "earn" money on market, no idea how u got to that, but i never said what im doing and dont really want to.

Having to manually get into each acc and make hundreds of tickets actually IS a pretty big pain in the ass. Who would have thought that.
For me much easier to just buy more IPs for server and use them.

[Washell]

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There are... and i mean actual money not Steam wallet.

I thought you meant that. That's a violation of the terms you will have agreed to a 100+ times by the time you're done setting up, and thus not a legitimate way.

[Zekiran]

That is still a violation of the terms of use, yes. You don't get to buy and sell for REAL MONEY anything from steam. Straight up, it's not okay.

What is with people attempting to skirt the legal issues here?

Don't do it.

[1danFromSudan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Washell:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

There are... and i mean actual money not Steam wallet.

I thought you meant that. That's a violation of the terms you will have agreed to a 100+ times by the time you're done setting up, and thus not a legitimate way.

Yeah sure thats why tons of big marketplaces exist for years without ever being touched by Valve.

Just for entertainment, could u (or any1 else here) actually find the part in Steam tos where it explicitly says that doing trades with stuff outside of steam interface is forbidden?

I doubt it honestly

[Wolf Knight]

G. Restrictions on Use of Content and Services

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this line, right here says it all

You are entitled to use the Content and Services for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell,

[zZzooey.exe]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1danFromSudan:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Washell:

I thought you meant that. That's a violation of the terms you will have agreed to a 100+ times by the time you're done setting up, and thus not a legitimate way.

Yeah sure thats why tons of big marketplaces exist for years without ever being touched by Valve.

Just for entertainment, could u (or any1 else here) actually find the part in Steam tos where it explicitly says that doing trades with stuff outside of steam interface is forbidden?

I doubt it honestly

You sound pretty cocky for someone who hasnt read the TOS.

[1danFromSudan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wolf Knight:

G. Restrictions on Use of Content and Services

You may not use the Content and Services for any purpose other than the permitted access to Steam and your Subscriptions, and to make personal, non-commercial use of your Subscriptions, except as otherwise permitted by this Agreement or applicable Subscription Terms. Except as otherwise permitted under this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use), or under applicable law notwithstanding these restrictions, you may not, in whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, publish, distribute, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, create derivative works based on, or remove any proprietary notices or labels from the Content and Services or any software accessed via Steam without the prior consent, in writing, of Valve.

You are entitled to use the Content and Services for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Content and Services to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Content and Services to others without the prior written consent of Valve, except to the extent expressly permitted elsewhere in this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use); (ii) host or provide matchmaking services for the Content and Services or emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Valve in any network feature of the Content and Services, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying or adding components to the Content and Services, use of a utility program or any other techniques now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose including, but not limited to network play over the Internet, network play utilizing commercial or non-commercial gaming networks or as part of content aggregation networks, websites or services, without the prior written consent of Valve; or (iii) exploit the Content and Services or any of its parts for any commercial purpose, except as expressly permitted elsewhere in this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use).



this line, right here says it all

You are entitled to use the Content and Services for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell,

Well... alright.
Technically im just send items as a gift to someone else or a bot, and confirming that in the trade aswell that its a gift and i dont expect anything in return.
If i also happen to have some arrangement with me recieving something from that person completely outside of Steam (and Steam Chat) it really has nothing to do with Steam or items or Valve anymore or is anyones business.