How to Rate a Game on Steam I Don't Own on Steam.

[mattgo]

I am now seeing games on Steam from Patreon I may have patroned and spent WAY more on than the purchase price on Steam to help the dev get here. Good Girl Gone Bad I easily spent well over $100 to help Eva Kiss. I don't see it here yet, but there are others, too. Those of us who spent months or years helping to develop, even with input should be able to rate and give feedback.

[Iceira]

i call it none steam game, make point at own game forum, but fair is fair you cant review something not bought at steam, i steam will be flooded with fake reviews.

all games will be world greatest game, no negative reviews at all.

[mattgo]

That's pretty copulated up. You could have supported the game for years and literally spent more on it than 20 times the buying price but can't. And spent MANY hours playing/playtesting. Maybe Steam needs to fix this for games that came off Patreon. We're not going to buy the game here after we spent so much time and money helping the dev get here. This might make devs go elsewhere.

[Zekiran]

Origineel geplaatst door mattgo:

That's pretty copulated up. You could have supported the game for years and literally spent more on it than 20 times the buying price but can't. And spent MANY hours playing/playtesting. Maybe Steam needs to fix this for games that came off Patreon. We're not going to buy the game here after we spent so much time and money helping the dev get here. This might make devs go elsewhere.

Maybe you need to just contact the company you bought the game from, and visit their forums instead.

Just because you have played a game on some other format *does not* in fact give you the right to post about it here. Talk to the developers, instead.

[mattgo]

Origineel geplaatst door Iceira:

i call it none steam game, make point at own game forum, but fair is fair you cant review something not bought at steam, i steam will be flooded with fake reviews.

Maybe make a way Patreon patrons get a code to enter to give one?
Some of them you can get free on Patreon anyway WITHOUT being a patron. I agree there if you played free no support you should buy, but not if you spent more than the game is sold for being a patron. Devs wouldn't want that (we have the game, and would like to let everyone else know how good it is. We can comment, but still.)

[mattgo]

Origineel geplaatst door Zekiran:

Origineel geplaatst door mattgo:

That's pretty copulated up. You could have supported the game for years and literally spent more on it than 20 times the buying price but can't. And spent MANY hours playing/playtesting. Maybe Steam needs to fix this for games that came off Patreon. We're not going to buy the game here after we spent so much time and money helping the dev get here. This might make devs go elsewhere.

Maybe you need to just contact the company you bought the game from, and visit their forums instead.

Just because you have played a game on some other format *does not* in fact give you the right to post about it here. Talk to the developers, instead.

I didn't "buy" it, I supported the dev over a year and probably spent over $200 on the game and gave feedback over a long time. It's not a developer forum, it's Patreon. Probably doesn't have a key as it isn't a big studio, usually on there it's 1 or 2 people making a game.

[Zekiran]

Patreon =/= Steam. Lots of people assume that "I bought it on Origin / Uplay / whatever other competitor, why can't I post about that game here!?" too. But Patreon isn't even a game distributor, so there's zero chance that this has anything to do with how Steam is treating ya.

Talk to the developers, if they're not going to provide a way to give feedback, don't buy things from them, then?

[Iceira]

ohh forgot you have to add follow the game hub forum.

[Zekiran]

Origineel geplaatst door mattgo:

I didn't "buy" it,

Then don't expect literally anything here. Talk to them about it. You're throwing money at 'one or two people', doesn't give you any right to post about that game or even the development of it, here. You're not an investor, even on patreon. You don't own any part of the game unless and until you have a purchase order and receipt, even from "one or two guys" making a game. If they cannot see fit to provide you with that, I fail to see what you want out of Steam for it.

[mattgo]

If you don't know, Patreon is a place where for not just games, but in this case games, you pledge monthly support and get access and some bonuses for doing so. These games take a while to develop so the patrons spend hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars to get these games to go. They sell for maybe what we spent supporting for 1 month at the higher ranges, maybe 6 for lower unless like 1 or 3 dollars/month. I still support at $5/month (was at 10 for a while while GGGB was developing) and there is a new one EvaKiss is making.

[mattgo]

Fine. I a recommending to all my patrons and any I follow that they avoid Steam like the plague as the company and quite a few members are EXTREMELY hostile to their patrons. Asked for keys but let them know that, too.

[mattgo]

I mentioned this as a comment on all 8 devs I patron and all 12 I follow, Of course some are strongly free forever but those who want a platform might choose another. There are a lot of garbage games on steam and some on Patreon make the average steam game look like a 1985 Yugo compared to a 2020 Lambourgini. Some have hundreds or thousands of supporters. I can't remember how many times I asked for a refund as a game was so awful. Patreon might be the future. TBH I go through the games and ignore them almost always just for being totally uninteresting. "Bum Simulator" I added as interesting June last year - still "coming soon." Too many not in English, too few settings to list uninteresting - I hate hidden object, match 3, etc games and also not interested in FPS. Too hard to block certain genres, etc. Also non-English.

[Zekiran]

Origineel geplaatst door mattgo:

If you don't know, Patreon is a place where for not just games, but in this case games, you pledge monthly support and get access and some bonuses for doing so. These games take a while to develop so the patrons spend hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars to get these games to go. They sell for maybe what we spent supporting for 1 month at the higher ranges, maybe 6 for lower unless like 1 or 3 dollars/month. I still support at $5/month (was at 10 for a while while GGGB was developing) and there is a new one EvaKiss is making.

I obviously know what Patreon is.

However what it is NOT, is a store front.

Patreon is a 'gift giving' site at best. Keep that in mind. While you may feel like you're supporting people, like on Kickstarter there is NO guarantee that anything you give to those people will ever ship or come to fruition.

It's not even as secure as a game that's on Steam as "Early Access".

It's wishful thinking *at best* to think that games 'made' there via donations on a monthly basis will ever make it to a real live store.

[mattgo]

Yet 3 or 4 I supported have. Seems I'm good at finding ones that do. You might want to see just how awful some Steam store games are. Terrible graphics, unbelievably bad gameplay, et al.

[nullable]

Origineel geplaatst door mattgo:

Fine. I a recommending to all my patrons and any I follow that they avoid Steam like the plague as the company and quite a few members are EXTREMELY hostile to their patrons. Asked for keys but let them know that, too.

If it makes you feel better. Somehow I think the company with among the highest revenue per employee will figure out a way to survive your incessant complaining and dissatisfaction with other users for disagreeing with you and not buying your BS hyperbole.

[Washell]

Origineel geplaatst door mattgo:

I didn't "buy" it,

If you didn't buy it and you got nothing, didn't you get exactly what you paid for?

It's trivial (and free) for developers to generate steam keys to give to their patreon followers. Take it up with the people you supported. After all, you wouldn't want your thumbs up to be drowned out by a thousand thumbs down from trolls now would you?