Steam owns me a new video card, after the new library.

[isomorphic_projection]

Example, i now have problems running torchlight 1 smoothly. A game from 2009, now uses 30% of 4 gigabyte. Where it was once less then 5%.

[SeriousCCIE]

That's offensive; "you don't seem to understand justified loss". The OP didn't sign up for this and shouldn't have to upgrade anything in order to keep using what worked fine previously.

To that matter I don't want it either, and my PC can handle it fine, provided I take it out of power saving mode if I don't want things to stutter occasionally in the client.

[Tint]

My library is sluggish and doesn't load very well but I have yet to see Steam have any effect on game performances. I'm thinking people are just trying to add more fuel to the Library UI fire by making up non-existant issues. There should be no reason why Steam effects any game play. Unless your PC has 4gb of ram but in that case you probably had issues before the Library update anyways.

https://i.gyazo.com/03d0a6bc33a862e5ee329f6eec079d97.png
My Firefox uses more than that.

Edit: Dont get me wrong. I hate the new UI too, but come on...

[Tomochi]

This new library interface overheats my computer. This is a fact.

[Darth Alpharius]

Tomochi eredeti hozzászólása:

This new library interface overheats my computer. This is a fact.

Settings/Library Tick Low Performance and Low Bandwidth

[SeriousCCIE]

There are people that use nothing but steam, reluctantly, to launch programs that require steam to open up so they can play.

Some of those machines running this are... old.

I have a "mame cabinet" that is maxed out at 8GB of ram, because really, I am not going to gut the thing and upgrade so that the steam client I have on the embedded windows OS can run smoothly as a result of the changes.

If there was something like a "Oh our wizard detected that your PC seems to be suited for playing games from the 90s, maybe this isn't going to work for you" that'd have been great. Instead, i just won't use steam on it. because workarounds aren't possible when I use a different front end program to launch steam to begin with.

change happens. that's cool. some things have worked a long time with no one changing it. that's cool too. what sucks is when things that worked without change get forced changes that break the entire point of using it, with no option to revert--but plenty of admonishment from others saying to deal with it.

Few people stopped using facebook or google despite all the hacking and data leaking and privacy violations and stuff. few people have rejected windows 10 and its built in advertising stuff.

there are people that go into their gaming systems to escape just how crappy things have become, and look--gaming is sucking too.

If we can't customize things the way we want, then why even bother with this at all? Just move on to stadia or xbox game pass or whatever and never log into steam again if the control is gone. Go back to play something paid for sure, but why buy anything again through it if the reward is punishment?

at least stadia and stuff like that will never force the user to upgrade their ram or lock them out because their OS is wrong.

[Tint]

crippknottick eredeti hozzászólása:

Simple CPU spikes from the client caching data cause micro stutters that were not present before, even with "low bandwidth", and "low performance" boxes ticked. I launched the Steam client with the no browser and mini list command and the spikes/stutters are no more.

Even funnier though is how Steam with the no web and mini parameter uses about 25MB of RAM total. That is a HUGE difference and ideally should be how a launcher works, to simply launch games. Plus the Big Picture Mode and controller profiles still work in mini mode.

I haven't noticed. Lucky me I guess. *knocks on wood*

Tomochi eredeti hozzászólása:

This new library interface overheats my computer. This is a fact.

I really find that hard to believe unless your computer is a potato, in that case add some cheese bacon bits and sour cream and lets eat!

[Tint]

crippknottick eredeti hozzászólása:

Real bacon bits, or that stuff in a shaker that is basically fish food?

Lets go for real!

[SeriousCCIE]

Spawk,

Considering you were kind enough to provide part of the agreement everyone had to consent to, can you provide your opinion on the changes, even if you agreed to them?

That appears to be what everyone else is doing. It doesn't matter if people like it, you know--they can hardly be expected to not complain about something they didn't want or expect, even if they agreed to such a thing years ago or just recently.

I've been a user since around 2004. I wouldn't have ever dreamed the streamlined easy to use low footprint client would look like this someday. Probably wouldn't have chased gordon freeman into the rabbit hole, either, if I knew it'd be like this eventually, too. Or maybe I'd have cut my losses and run before becoming heavily invested in it.

[Stormer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjN6-e3nlPE
This fixed performance problems caused by the update for me

[MonkehMaster]

cSg|mc-Hotsauce eredeti hozzászólása:

isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:

Example, i now have problems running torchlight 1 smoothly. A game from 2009, now uses 30% of 4 gigabyte. Where it was once less then 5%.

They don't owe you anything.

You don't seem to understand justified loss.

:qr:

where tf do you get "justified loss"...

please explain your ignorant comment?

[isomorphic_projection]

Not gonna read everything. Before the new launcher, no in game lag when it comes to graphics. And for torchlight it only used 400mb gpu memory. After the new launcher, my screen freezes up for a second, every 1 minute. And it uses more memory then the size of the game itself. Same with the witcher 3, which is not drm free cause i bought it on steam which needs to run off or on to play it. And it was already at 2 gigabyte after 1 minute of gameplay and i did not move or look around. And every game, about every minute you see 1st a drop of +- 50 mb and immediately a rise of 100 mb. 1 step forward 2 steps back until my screen goes black and i need to reboot.
TL is a game from 2009, and since the new launcher it's also overheating my gpu a msi gtx980 4g factory overclocked by 20%.

[isomorphic_projection]

Trollhammer eredeti hozzászólása:

Witcher 3 is DRM free... (i guess that's what you mean by "dll")

steam32.dll without the game does not run, all games bought on steam have it. Except my GOG version of torchlight, which runs smoothly i only bought steam TL, cause gog TL had an ingame bug. And 4 days later steam itself comes up with the biggest bug ever.

[SeriousCCIE]

Spawk, I agree that users hate change.

It doesn't mean they should be steamrolled over (forgive the pun) just because someone else decided it would be best for them.

I mean it's why I don't use windows 10 and won't be. Change too much for too long and that tether is gonna break.

I found various desktop environments for linux that are MUCH improved, for me, and that was a horrible terrible change compared to my years of windows experience.

I still dont know what I am doing in there. but I like it much better even if I am not yet comfortable with it.

Don't pave over users reluctance to accept change with eventual tolerance; it may be that I am personally an anomaly, but if that was so... I doubt Valve would have tried to encourage steam support on linux and various game support, too.

Anyway thanks for keeping it civil.

[Kikinaak]

I'm going to call BS on that last one. Sometimes, users hate change because the thing being changed to IS bad. Handwaving legitimate complaints off as "oh its just psychological and they'll get used to it" is just being an arrogant prick. When a change is forced like this, and people continue to use it, they arent "warming up to it", they are choosing the less painful option of tolerating it rather than walking away from their game library, some hundreds strong representing thousands of dollars of purchases with games unavailable elsewhere.

[isomorphic_projection]

SeriousCCIE eredeti hozzászólása:

Spawk, I agree that users hate change.

It doesn't mean they should be steamrolled over (forgive the pun) just because someone else decided it would be best for them.

I mean it's why I don't use windows 10 and won't be. Change too much for too long and that tether is gonna break.

I don't, if it's a improvement. Which this is not, if people need to buy new gpu's to run their games smoothly and not just new gpu's, what if their mb can't handle the new gpu.