N0VA 2017 年 12 月 7 日 下午 9:13
THE NEW GIFTING SYSTEM SUCKS, MAKES NO SENSE.
The new gifting system is a load of crap and let me tell you why.

I understand games being region locked that's nothing new but as far as I know most games perchasable in the USA are also obtainable in Canada and vise versa. For years I've been able to gift my USA friends gifts from Canada, and now suddenly with this new system I can't due to "Regional Price differences."

First of all, theres no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ warnings on games I cannot gift to the USA due to this "regional price difference" and there should be so I don't waste my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time at the checkout trying games. They have warnings on region locked, do it for this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system if you're keeping it.

Second of all, "Regional price difference" Leads me to believe that oh, maybe this one game isn't currently on sale in the states or something and it is here so gifting a cheaper version when its not in the states could be an exploit and stealing... IT'S NOT THAT CASE THOUGH.

What's actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happening is Steam/Valve doesn't understand the concept of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ currency exchange apparently? Some currency is worth more or less than others? Let me shoot you this senario...

Overwatch, $60 USD, in order to pay the equlivlant of $60 USD, I actually had to pay $80 Canadain. It looks like I'm paying more BUT I'M ACTUALLY NOT. The Canadain dollar is worth LESS than the American dollar, and therefore we must PAY MORE to PAY THE SAME. Unless I'm just a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot, game publishers publish their games with this in mind as well. We want $60 for this game so we have to Charge $80 Canadian to get that $60.

WHAT IS HAPPENING is that the system is just seeing 60 vs 80 and not accounting for the fact of currency being worth more of less and this system as it is right now is COMPLETELY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BROKEN because it's not accounting for the currency exchange. Games are not more or less expensive in regions, THEY ARE THE SAME ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PRICE. It's just how it works, $1 somewhere could be worth $2 somewhere else, its still the same value if we just go with a base price.

They need to like base this off the USD system or something and then compare it that way, unless you're paying $100 Canadian for a normal $60 USD, THE REGIONAL PRICE DIFFERENCE DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

Its close to christmas and I can't even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shop for my friends this year thanks to this broken ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's always been this way we've always "payed more" simply because we're worth less its how economics work, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a 12 year old could teach you this, Steam.

I even emailed support and its just like "hurr durr send your friends gift cards via pay pal" YEAH SURE, ID SEND THEM MONEY, BUT LIKE, REMOVE THE NOVELITY OF AN ACTUAL GIFT INSTEAD OF THEM GETTING WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE IT, AND I ALSO DONT HAVE A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PAYPAL.

AT LEAST LET PEOPLE PAY FROM THE STEAM WALLET IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, HOLY ♥♥♥♥.

Really though, it's broken, I can't be the only one having this problem!
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RedLightning 2017 年 12 月 7 日 下午 10:54 
They do not care about exchange rates.. they only care about letting developers set WHATEVER price they want in whatever region they want.
-=o\BUTCHER/o=- 2017 年 12 月 7 日 下午 11:01 
Canadian rage fills my heart with joy. The day of the rake draws near.

On a serious note: I agree with you
This is probably just a way for VALVe to put less stress on their systems rather than dumping all that yacht money into them. Or perhaps it's a precursor to something more sinister they have planned...kinda like WoW's 3.0.1 LFG system. Boy did that turn into a f***ing disaster when Cata released. Or it could just be because of exchange rates or game pricing being manipulated by VALVe.

Really though, it's broken, I can't be the only one having this problem!

No, you're not. Just ask people about the bitcoin fiasco. It's not about "volatile price fluctuations", it's about depopularizing a GROWING currency that global banking cartels have no control over.

At this point, I'm sure VALVe will do anything for a buck, no matter who waves it at them. Which will be to their dismay when the only games they'll be hosting are "AAA" titles (more like big-budget wastes of time) because all the standalone developers moved to a different platform. Which will then be bought out by VALVe in much the same way Google bought out Vidme.

[edit]: Agreed with the pricing thing, but I think it'll be more so VALVe themselves can set the exchange rate on any game they feel like. Yet another step toward corporate dystopia. Wew, first the new review system, then the bitcoin issue, and now this bulls***. WEEEEEW.
最后由 -=o\BUTCHER/o=- 编辑于; 2017 年 12 月 7 日 下午 11:05
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 7 日 下午 11:39 
引用自 ┐AkH└ Butcher
Canadian rage fills my heart with joy. The day of the rake draws near.

On a serious note: I agree with you
This is probably just a way for VALVe to put less stress on their systems rather than dumping all that yacht money into them. Or perhaps it's a precursor to something more sinister they have planned...kinda like WoW's 3.0.1 LFG system. Boy did that turn into a f***ing disaster when Cata released. Or it could just be because of exchange rates or game pricing being manipulated by VALVe.

Really though, it's broken, I can't be the only one having this problem!

No, you're not. Just ask people about the bitcoin fiasco. It's not about "volatile price fluctuations", it's about depopularizing a GROWING currency that global banking cartels have no control over.

At this point, I'm sure VALVe will do anything for a buck, no matter who waves it at them. Which will be to their dismay when the only games they'll be hosting are "AAA" titles (more like big-budget wastes of time) because all the standalone developers moved to a different platform. Which will then be bought out by VALVe in much the same way Google bought out Vidme.

[edit]: Agreed with the pricing thing, but I think it'll be more so VALVe themselves can set the exchange rate on any game they feel like. Yet another step toward corporate dystopia. Wew, first the new review system, then the bitcoin issue, and now this bulls***. WEEEEEW.

Correct me if im wrong but isn't it illegal or really sketch to be messing with the prices of games from other devlopers and to also mess with exchange rate? Like they've gotta be violating some sort of world laws when it comes to exchange rates and stuff, cause as I said it only makes sense to pick a base rate and then if a currency is more or less they have to pay more or less to meet the base... so like isn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with that going against some sort of law, it has to be??

I also noticed their gift card system only takes from direct payments and id use the gift cards but I don't have a paypal... let me pay from the wallet dammit... but it also says it puts the equlivlant of what you picked into the recivers account... so like I pay $3 USD for $5 Canadian, and the user I send it to in the states gets $5 USD for the price of $3...

This is so broken and they're gonna get their asses sued...
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 7 日 下午 11:42 
引用自 RedLightning
They do not care about exchange rates.. they only care about letting developers set WHATEVER price they want in whatever region they want.
Devlopers cannot set whatever price in any region they want, if you read what I said if they want the equlivalnt of $60 american they have to charge $80 canadian to get $60, its just basics on how econmics and exchange rates work. Some money is worth less than other money, some money is worth more than other money, I can move to japan and be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rich cause the yen is inflated so much but like (i m just giving an example and havent checked exact numbers) ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 1000 yen is like $5 canadian. but the system is broken because it just sees the number not the currency.

1000 vs 5 looks like a rip off and a problem
however considering they are both actually $5 is not a problem.
Glimmer 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 12:41 
引用自 Magicphobic™
Some currency is worth more or less than others? Let me shoot you this senario...
Except that's not be the only factor, the game might actually cost less in other regions

CS:GO for example.
https://steamdb.info/app/730/
Buying in the US = 10.04USD
Buying in Canada = 11.38CDN

11.38CDN = 8.85USD. It's not just a currency conversion. According the that site's calculator, you're paying 11.82% less than I am if we were paying in the same currencies.

引用自 Magicphobic™
it also says it puts the equlivlant of what you picked into the recivers account... so like I pay $3 USD for $5 Canadian, and the user I send it to in the states gets $5 USD for the price of $3...
Except that's not how it works. If you pay 5CND, they will get 3.89USD. Or 67.11 Argentinian Pesos. Or however much the current exchange rate is for which ever currency they use.
最后由 Glimmer 编辑于; 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 12:48
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:00 
引用自 Glimmer
引用自 Magicphobic™
Some currency is worth more or less than others? Let me shoot you this senario...
Except that's not be the only factor, the game might actually cost less in other regions

CS:GO for example.
https://steamdb.info/app/730/
Buying in the US = 10.04USD
Buying in Canada = 11.38CDN

11.38CDN = 8.85USD. It's not just a currency conversion. According the that site's calculator, you're paying 11.82% less than I am if we were paying in the same currencies.

引用自 Magicphobic™
it also says it puts the equlivlant of what you picked into the recivers account... so like I pay $3 USD for $5 Canadian, and the user I send it to in the states gets $5 USD for the price of $3...
Except that's not how it works. If you pay 5CND, they will get 3.89USD. Or 67.11 Argentinian Pesos. Or however much the current exchange rate is for which ever currency they use.


It sure as hell doesn't seem that way, and they are very crypid about it like as it was worded for the gift cards i was under the impression of my original statement where you' be getting more for less

Also, most games SHOULD be the same price accounting for exchange if they're not well that's just the devlopers choice but im suddenly running into like every damn game on steam has regional price differences? Doubt it.

Also still doesnt change the major flaw they do not display warnings for regional price until youve already wasted time in the checkout unlike having it from the get-go with region locked games. And there's still the isse of "wtf do you do for gifting your friends if you dont have a pay pal" Honestly I think this is still complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
最后由 N0VA 编辑于; 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:02
RedLightning 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:07 
Limits, control, hoop to jump through.. I know one bay that doesn't have all these danged rules..

and it is looking more tantalizing than ever lately.

Sad that I've not thought that way in probably 10 years..

All of a sudden it is one mechanism of control after another.

I still say that Valve sold out long ago.. and the new owners do not give a rats hoot about games.. nor the gamers..
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:10 
引用自 RedLightning
Limits, control, hoop to jump through.. I know one bay that doesn't have all these danged rules..

and it is looking more tantalizing than ever lately.

Sad that I've not thought that way in probably 10 years..

All of a sudden it is one mechanism of control after another.

I still say that Valve sold out long ago.. and the new owners do not give a rats hoot about games.. nor the gamers..

Probably so and its just so stupid how they set the new system up, and there was no need for it, the only "friction" i saw with the old system was region locked games and thats on the buyers fault cause it does tell you about region lock when you buy it.

And i wouldn't even be here ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if they'd let me send money via steam wallet instead of directly through pay pal

Which also conercns me that if i send it to the usd its gonna charge me more canadian if its mean to give $5 usd if I pick $5 cnd.
RedLightning 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:14 
引用自 Magicphobic™
引用自 RedLightning
Limits, control, hoop to jump through.. I know one bay that doesn't have all these danged rules..

and it is looking more tantalizing than ever lately.

Sad that I've not thought that way in probably 10 years..

All of a sudden it is one mechanism of control after another.

I still say that Valve sold out long ago.. and the new owners do not give a rats hoot about games.. nor the gamers..

Probably so and its just so stupid how they set the new system up, and there was no need for it, the only "friction" i saw with the old system was region locked games and thats on the buyers fault cause it does tell you about region lock when you buy it.

And i wouldn't even be here ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if they'd let me send money via steam wallet instead of directly through pay pal

Which also conercns me that if i send it to the usd its gonna charge me more canadian if its mean to give $5 usd if I pick $5 cnd.

Well.. not sure what is going to change.. unless Valve gets kicked in the money wad, and hard.

I'm sure they are just going to keep going down the same dark path they currently are travelling on.

They will also always say.. ' hackers'.. 'scammers'.. and well.. just like the software developers cry 'pirates' 'theives' when they stamp their feet, it still seems like the same ole round.

Sad, that after all these years.. the net still seems to be a free-for-all for business to do as they like when they like..

Also it seems like a lot of developers are starting to flex their 'greed' muscle as of late with some really strange tactics.

Not sure what can be done about it though.
最后由 RedLightning 编辑于; 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:16
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:16 
引用自 RedLightning
引用自 Magicphobic™

Probably so and its just so stupid how they set the new system up, and there was no need for it, the only "friction" i saw with the old system was region locked games and thats on the buyers fault cause it does tell you about region lock when you buy it.

And i wouldn't even be here ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if they'd let me send money via steam wallet instead of directly through pay pal

Which also conercns me that if i send it to the usd its gonna charge me more canadian if its mean to give $5 usd if I pick $5 cnd.

Well.. not sure what is going to change.. unless Valve gets kicked in the money wad, and hard.

I'm sure they are just going to keep going down the same dark path they currently are travelling on.

They will also always say.. well. hackers.. scammers.. and well.. just like the software developers cry 'pirates' 'theives' when they stamp their feet.

Sad, that after all these years.. the net still seems to be a free-for-all for business to do as they like when they like..

Also it seems like a lot of developers are starting to flex their 'greed' muscle as of late with some really strange tactics.

Not sure what can be done about it though.

I suppose nothing can be done about it aside from choosing to bycott but Im too invested in PC games and fun games to do that myself, as alot of other users are too so i gues we just keep ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and hope for the best and suck it up....

It still is really stupid though. Regional prices... I don't care if i have to pay a little bit more, let me send gifts to my friends.

At least if you're planning on gifting let us like, switch the store to american and stuff like that so its bought there for the usd price and then gifted to friend.
RedLightning 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:20 
引用自 Magicphobic™
引用自 RedLightning

Well.. not sure what is going to change.. unless Valve gets kicked in the money wad, and hard.

I'm sure they are just going to keep going down the same dark path they currently are travelling on.

They will also always say.. well. hackers.. scammers.. and well.. just like the software developers cry 'pirates' 'theives' when they stamp their feet.

Sad, that after all these years.. the net still seems to be a free-for-all for business to do as they like when they like..

Also it seems like a lot of developers are starting to flex their 'greed' muscle as of late with some really strange tactics.

Not sure what can be done about it though.

I suppose nothing can be done about it aside from choosing to bycott but Im too invested in PC games and fun games to do that myself, as alot of other users are too so i gues we just keep ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and hope for the best and suck it up....

It still is really stupid though. Regional prices... I don't care if i have to pay a little bit more, let me send gifts to my friends.

At least if you're planning on gifting let us like, switch the store to american and stuff like that so its bought there for the usd price and then gifted to friend.

I agree.. I would not mind that kind of system. If that is the way they want it.. It seems, though, that Valve wants to do what it wants.. no matter what..

Problem is.. what valve wants is green.. and it seems they will do just about anything to get that color.

Not sure a boycott would work, as you said, most of us are much to invested to bite the hand that feeds it.

I mean really.. what a damocles sword hanging over our heads. "Our company gets sunk, your games get the Davy Jones treatment... <blub> <blub>"

I sure they know it .. they got us by the money wad, and are holding the 'codes' we buy hostage to whatever whim they feel like entertaining that day.

Too bad really.
最后由 RedLightning 编辑于; 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:22
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:26 
引用自 RedLightning
引用自 Magicphobic™

I suppose nothing can be done about it aside from choosing to bycott but Im too invested in PC games and fun games to do that myself, as alot of other users are too so i gues we just keep ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and hope for the best and suck it up....

It still is really stupid though. Regional prices... I don't care if i have to pay a little bit more, let me send gifts to my friends.

At least if you're planning on gifting let us like, switch the store to american and stuff like that so its bought there for the usd price and then gifted to friend.

I agree.. I would not mind that kind of system. If that is the way they want it.. It seems, though, that Valve wants to do what it wants.. no matter what..

Problem is.. what valve wants is green.. and it seems they will do just about anything to get that color.

Not sure a boycott would work, as you said, most of us are much to invested to bite the hand that feeds it.

I mean really.. what a damocles sword hanging over our heads. "Our company gets sunk, your games get the Davy Jones treatment... <blub> <blub>"

I sure they know it .. they got us by the money wad, and are holding the 'codes' we buy hostage to whatever whim they feel like entertaining that day.

Too bad really.


Yeah, i just hope we're wrong about all of this and the system is just buggy cause its new and they do fix it and put in some sort of work around thats easier than the cards,
Glimmer 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:49 
引用自 Magicphobic™
Also, most games SHOULD be the same price accounting for exchange if they're not well that's just the devlopers choice but im suddenly running into like every damn game on steam has regional price differences? Doubt it.
Doubt that all games have those regions/currencies? You can check the SteamDB page for other games, but each game has the same currency/region options.

Doubt that each game has prices for all of those currencies? They're supposed to. If a Dev/Publisher doesn't set a price it renders the game unsaleable in that region. I've heard that Valve offers a tool that will recommend the price for all the regions, but I'm not a dev so I have very little info regarding that tool.

Doubt that the price recommendation tool actually reflects the real world? From my recollection, that's pretty much the thrust of discussion regarding the recent addition of the Israeli new shekel.

And there's still the isse of "wtf do you do for gifting your friends if you dont have a pay pal" Honestly I think this is still complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
http://store.steampowered.com/digitalgiftcards/
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8360-wejc-2625#acceptedforms

Credit/debit cards, PayPal, Visa Electron, paysafecard, Sofortüberweisung / DIRECTebanking.com, iDeal, WebMoney

The Credit/Debit cards cover the prepaid variety as well as the more standard issued variety.

If you don't have any of the supported methods of payment, then you're largely screwed. You could purchase a physical gift card and send them the code to redeem, but it does require finding a store that sells them and it lacks the granularity you can achieve using the digital gift cards.
N0VA 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 1:54 
引用自 Glimmer
引用自 Magicphobic™
Also, most games SHOULD be the same price accounting for exchange if they're not well that's just the devlopers choice but im suddenly running into like every damn game on steam has regional price differences? Doubt it.
Doubt that all games have those regions/currencies? You can check the SteamDB page for other games, but each game has the same currency/region options.

Doubt that each game has prices for all of those currencies? They're supposed to. If a Dev/Publisher doesn't set a price it renders the game unsaleable in that region. I've heard that Valve offers a tool that will recommend the price for all the regions, but I'm not a dev so I have very little info regarding that tool.

Doubt that the price recommendation tool actually reflects the real world? From my recollection, that's pretty much the thrust of discussion regarding the recent addition of the Israeli new shekel.

And there's still the isse of "wtf do you do for gifting your friends if you dont have a pay pal" Honestly I think this is still complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
http://store.steampowered.com/digitalgiftcards/
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8360-wejc-2625#acceptedforms

Credit/debit cards, PayPal, Visa Electron, paysafecard, Sofortüberweisung / DIRECTebanking.com, iDeal, WebMoney

The Credit/Debit cards cover the prepaid variety as well as the more standard issued variety.

If you don't have any of the supported methods of payment, then you're largely screwed. You could purchase a physical gift card and send them the code to redeem, but it does require finding a store that sells them and it lacks the granularity you can achieve using the digital gift cards.

Steam ♥♥♥♥♥♥ a large majority of their users. That's all im getting from this.
僕の名前 (仮) 2017 年 12 月 8 日 上午 4:34 
Useless info about Canada, because they did it for all countries, not just Canada and USA.
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