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don't get me wrong ,I have the same unnexplained adversity towards Origin...would like to play Crysis 3 and MF3, but I don't...just because they're not on steam...and I KNOW this is stupid.
steam has the same crap costumer service as Origin,as far as i can tell.opened up a bunch of tickets on steam ,none of them ever got a resolve.
the steam community was built up in time,the only real merit of Steam is for being the frist.
I would like to see Origin grow,just to give Steam a run for it's money ,if nothing else.
as none of us really care if a game comes from Activision or Ubisoft ,when making a purchase,so it should be with Steam vs. Origin...
I just hope you're right about this. Because I'm not planning on getting onto the Origin bandwagon, like EA would expect of everyone. Some people say we're stupid for "missing out" on some good games by not signing to Origin, and simply reduce the issue to a different retail store analogy. Well, I disagree.
I don't think it's a matter of brand loyalty. Personnaly, I don't generally care who's behind the service I use (most of the time). It's about the fact that Steam is the biggest distribution platform on the PC, and I would like to have all my games in the same place, thank you. It's more like EA deciding that they don't want to publish their games on XBOX or PlayStation anymore, but now you have to buy this "EA console" instead if you want to play their games. BTW, Sony and Microsoft (and all mobile platforms like iOS and Android) are all charging fees to publish on their platform, and none of them are offereing EA a deal to sell DLC by bypassing their respective online store, which is exactly what EA is using as a justification to pull out of Steam... which only goes to prove something... and that something smells awful lot like BS...
In the end, it's all about money. Of course, EA wouldn't stop publishing games on other companies' consoles. They're too big, and people would never go out to buy a second console JUST to play EA games. And developping a console is a moneypit they probably wouldn't go into.
But the PC is different. EA didn't need to develop a new console, just a new distribution platform, which doesn't imply managing a hardware business and everything associated with it. And like any business, their goal is to make more and more money all the time. So they simply tried to NOT PAY Valve some fees to make more money. They just took a gamble, seeing that they had a lot of series that people want to play, on the belief that people don't care registering on YET another service, and don't care having their game library spread out across various different services that don't play nice with each other.
Well, I CARE. I don't want my game library spread out across various frontends. This would be like a console gamer putting their game boxes on shelves in different rooms, depending what the game publisher is. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, we're not having to move to different rooms, we just need to start a different frontend, but still, it is the same logic behind this.
In the end, it's only a matter of money. The PC is an "open" platform, and there isn't any store you're forced to go through to sell your stuff. EA just saw an opportunity, and they tought the risk of alienating some of their potential clients was not enough compared to not having to pay Valve a cut. Simple as that.
EA has some great games (despite what somes are saying). I love Bioware and Criterion, as developpers. But I think EA is doing those developpers a big disservice by NOT making their game available on Steam. So I hope that it's true, that EA is going to put games back on Steam when all DLC is released. But I, sadly, don't think it's going to happen. Crysis 2 was already on Steam before they pulled it out. Obviously, that game was already "steam friendly". I don't know if any game released after they pulled back from Steam requires some additionnal work (however small) to make them work on Steam. If so, they might not want to bother with that.
But we can hope. No?
Yeah, I know... Once I start on something, I find it hard to stop writting... lol! Sorry!
Other than that i try to give EA as little money as possible after they called me a lair and theif when they shorted me the mutliplayer code for Deadspace 2 on launch day. Steam sales definitely help that goal.
Edit: whoops. new to steam discussions and didn't realise that was a qoute. sorry.
I think that EA's strategy is that the money they are losing by not selling on Steam ,evens out or better by not having to pay Steam's cut on the rest of their sales.
What bugs me,is the EA's lack of intrest to try to make Origin really competitive...i mean ,they have the technology,the resources...
I speak english ,I live in Italy ,and the frist thing I bought on Origin was a DLC for Mass Effect.and it's in german.no matter how many tickets I opened ,I can only download the german version,and I don't speak german.Ended up downloading the pirated files,and using my legal key with them...True Story...
But ,I wouldn't compare having two clients on your pc ,with having your games on different shelves...I mean ,how hard it is to close a window and open another? We see problems where there aren't.
If Origin gets better,for us gamers is only good news.
In the end , both Steam and EA\Origin are in for the money...none of them really deserves absolute loyality, simply because they always try to bleed us as much as possible.
Waiting to buy EA stuff on Steam could be long and expensive.I bought on Crysis 2 on Steam for 29,99 ,when on Origin was like 13,99...and still Crysis 2 on Steam doesn't have nothing extra...not even the Steam Achievements.I believe that the same thing will happen with Crysis 3 also.
Before people try to bust your chops for pirating, I say, good for you. You have only proved Gabe Newell's point that pirating comes from a lack of easy access and good support. Not to mention, saling a shi/tty product and marketing it up at an unreasonable price.
Then EA goes and blames us, and adds crappy DRM. Of course EA is going to add extra stuff for their crappy games. They want you to use Origin! They don't want you to use Steam!
Why bring profit to their competitors? They can reap bigger rewards on their own cheap service. You won't be seeing many EA game sales on Steam either, anymore. Origin is quickly becoming an EA EXCLUSIVE ONLY store. Heck, it practically already is. They're trying to shove that crap on consoles too.
How to access or buy your favorite EA owned games? Origin!
You know, ever since it's come out, most of its titles have been their own published titles. They have a few big name third party titles, but who's going to buy them if they're already associated with another favorable service?
The only titles to recently make it to Steam from EA are the ones they know will not sale at all on Origin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS4Fxs7ffhw
You make some good points. But if you wanted to fully stand by those principles, you couldn't justify using Steam either. You want all your games available, stored and playable in the same place, but in that regard Steam is just as much an obstacle as Origin. They were the first, and they are the biggest, but that doesn't change that it is just one closed, proprietary service that one day is going to be closed down taking all your games with you. If you truly want to have all your games in one place, a system that depends on an online service, even if just for installation, quite in general doesn't qualify.
Only when you don't have such a requirement, it truly doesn't matter anymore where you buy your games. You can go for the store and service with the offers, multiplayer service, customer support, and other features that you like best, in the knowledge that you're only subscribing to that as a service, but get the game itself to keep. Anything other than that can only end in failure, sooner or later. The difference in Steam and Origin is just technicalities and details. They both have an expiration date.
That's why whenever given the choice, I buy my games at GOG.com, the Humble Store, Desura etc. Because then, what I get is an EXE installer that I save in the game downloads folder in my harddrive -- everything in one place -- and I have them there no matter what happens. Some more recent Indie games do this really well. Buy them boxed or from the developer's website, get keys for Steam and Desura, or other services, if you want to use them. You're truly buying the game, not one license for using it temporarily through one service, and if you made the wrong choice, tough luck.