Serious question (no bait) ❌🚫

[Illusion]

So here is the thing and you can look it up on the Internet especially on Reddit:

Some indie devs are asking people to not buy activation keys but instead they would rather prefer piracy over that. Why? They mention the reason is that most of those keys apparently come from stolen accounts and they're more harming the devs than anything else...

So here is my question: how is that any different? Here on Steam discussing about piracy is considered illegal and it's not allowed. Also devs are considering piracy as stealing because well you aren't paying anything to play the game. Makes sense I guess?

Personnaly I don't see the difference between both and I think those devs are dumb and stupid to encourage piracy over activation keys. Let me remind you guys that gaming platforms are accepting those keys actually! So we as customers we don't care where they come from. We are not questioning. We are attracted by affordable prices and that's it! Consumers intuition 🧠

Why Steam does have an activation keys service if that's bad? Just trying to understand... 🙄🤷🏻

Anyway thanks in advance for your replies happy gaming everyone!

[KalGimpa]

that is a twisted version of what was said

they said they would prefer piracy over using the grey sites

grey sites often get keys illegally

some of the devs that had theirs taken said something along the lines of

"i would prefer they pirated the game than used these sites"

more of a please stop using those sites

they do not want you to pirate anything

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Illusion の投稿を引用：

Serious question (no bait) ❌🚫

So here is the thing and you can look it up on the Internet especially on Reddit:

Some indie devs are asking people to not buy activation keys but instead they would rather prefer piracy over that. Why? They mention the reason is that most of those keys apparently come from stolen accounts and they're more harming the devs than anything else...

So here is my question: how is that any different? Here on Steam discussing about piracy is considered illegal and it's not allowed. Also devs are considering piracy as stealing because well you aren't paying anything to play the game. Makes sense I guess?

Personnaly I don't see the difference between both and I think those devs are dumb and stupid to encourage piracy over activation keys. Let me remind you guys that gaming platforms are accepting those keys actually! So we as customers we don't care where they come from. We are not questioning. We are attracted by affordable prices and that's it! Consumers intuition 🧠

Why Steam does have an activation keys service if that's bad? Just trying to understand... 🙄🤷🏻

Anyway thanks in advance for your replies happy gaming everyone!

https://www.pcgamesn.com/action-henk/action-henk-g2a-piracy

https://www.techdirt.com/2019/07/09/indie-publishers-tell-gamers-to-pirate-instead-buying-keys-through-reseller-g2a/

You know the site name that is filtered. Just quote my post to copy the links.

[Seraphita]

Gray sellers, as in, unauthorised sellers or sellers you can't find on isthereanydeal, are bad for everyone. This is what they mean. Your purchase is NOT safe at all.

First, your key can be revoked any times and nobody will help you. If the keys are "stolen", it's the end for it and what you bought. You can get scammed very easy.

So yeah. Stay safe, use isthereanydeal for sales from GOOD stores. (All keys from the sites on that website come from devs themselves). Don't go to the dark side.

[ReBoot]

Illusion の投稿を引用：

Some indie devs are asking people to not buy activation keys but instead they would rather prefer piracy over that.

You've left out an extremely important detail: ON GREY MARKET SITES! No indie EVER said "we'd rather you pirate our games than buying keys". That did not happen. Ever.

What happened, was indie devs speaking out in favor of piracy over grey market resellers. It's like that meme that goes

Scientist の投稿を引用：

My discoveries are useless if taken out of context.

Journalist の投稿を引用：

Scientist claims his discoveries are ueless.

Bruh, omitting parts of the context is bad and you REALLY should not do it.

[Chika Ogiue]

Illusion の投稿を引用：

Personnaly I don't see the difference between both and I think those devs are dumb and stupid to encourage...

Those devs would rather NO ONE be paid than for a dodgy key seller to be paid instead of the devs. Dodgy sites DO NOT pay the devs their portion.

[ReBoot]

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

Illusion の投稿を引用：

Personnaly I don't see the difference between both and I think those devs are dumb and stupid to encourage...

Those devs would rather NO ONE be paid than for a dodgy key seller to be paid instead of the devs. Dodgy sites DO NOT pay the devs their portion.

That's not even the problem. The problem is that those dodgy key sales end up costing developers more.

[Chika Ogiue]

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

That's not even the problem. The problem is that those dodgy key sales end up costing developers more.

It is part of the problem and specifically why several devs have made such comments over the years. No one wants an unrelated entity to be paid for their hard work when they aren't. I assure you, if those grey sites were properly paying developers, they'd have less of an issue with them.

[ReBoot]

Chika Ogiue の投稿を引用：

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

That's not even the problem. The problem is that those dodgy key sales end up costing developers more.

It is part of the problem and specifically why several devs have made such comments over the years. No one wants an unrelated entity to be paid for their hard work when they aren't. I assure you, if those grey sites were properly paying developers, they'd have less of an issue with them.

This isn't what DEVELOPERS said. That is what you say, not what they said. Pro tip: when you talk about something other people said, you have to, well, actually talk about what they said, not interpret your own stuff into it.

Here's the thing, it's not like what you're saying seems wrong at a first glance. It doesn't It seems pretty righ, actually. It's just that this thread revolves around what indie devs said on that matter and what you're stating isn't what they said.

[Wolverine]

Well, haven't seen any new game in a while that i'd preorder or even buy on release day, so Humblebundle monthly sub. + Steam sales for games on my wishlist = more games then i can ever play without having to break the bank.

Anyway, and as mentioned buy others, if you decide to do your shopping in the "grey market areas" just make sure you know what you're getting into...

[D. Flame]

Basically, if the keys are stolen or were obtained with stolen credit cards, then rewarding the thieves by buying their items only encourages further theft and digital intrusion.

[Illusion]

Well I'm still confused... At the end this is the same result for the devs: not getting paid and pirates play their games for FREE! ⚠️

Unbelievable! And you know what guys? Funniest part is that those pirates got some nerves: "if buying is not owning then piracy is not stealing"

I think I'm done with those nonsense and still I think that those devs saying this are even more insane than those thieves 🕴🏻

Don't be naive guys: most popular keys resellers websites with good reputation have stolen ones as well. Impossible to offer those cheap affordable prices otherwise 🙄🤷🏻

P.S: sorry for bad english

[Aluvard]

Illusion の投稿を引用：

Well I'm still confused... At the end this is the same result for the devs: not getting paid and pirates play their games for FREE! ⚠️

Unbelievable! And you know what guys? Funniest part is that those pirates got some nerves: "if buying is not owning then piracy is not stealing"

I think I'm done with those nonsense and still I think that those devs saying this are even more insane than those thieves 🕴🏻

Nope. Problem is that with G2A stolen keys, developers are hit back for reimbursement.

Traditionally, thieves would buy game keys with stolen credit card information. They would list the game on a marketplace like G2A and hope that somebody bought it before the real cardholder noticed and flagged the original purchase. In response, the game developer that received the fraudulent payment had to investigate and, ultimately, reimburse the actual cardholder. "Eventually the developer [was] left with a net loss and a chargeback penalty fee," G2A admitted in a blog post. The person who bought the game through G2A normally lost their copy, too.

Source - https://www.engadget.com/2019-07-17-g2a-key-gift-game-developers-explained.html

Illusion の投稿を引用：

Don't be naive guys: most popular keys resellers websites with good reputation have stolen ones as well. Impossible to offer those cheap affordable prices otherwise 🙄🤷🏻

P.S: sorry for bad english

If you claim something like that, then you won't have problem with backing your words with verifiable proof, do you?

[Wolverine]

Well, you might want to keep in mind that
"if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing"
was a reaction to an Ubisoft Exec saying
"gamers need to get comfortable with not owning your games"
not to mention how more and more companies are trying to to squeeze more money from you through a monthly sub. for unlocking "all features" for a device you have bought from them.

Anyway, i bought the True Blood Blu-Ray Box a while ago, and i'm still looking for a good external USB Blu-Ray drive, that comes with the software needed to just connect the bloody thing and watch my movies and TV shows on my notebook.
I tried a drive from Verbatim, but the software included was a mess, always trying to sell me some "upgrade" instead of just letting me watch my Blu-Rays. But the real kicker is, anyone that just pirated the whole True Blood TV show from somewhere, can just watch all episodes without problems on anything he wants too...

[Aluvard]

Wolverine の投稿を引用：

-snip-

LG, Asus or Samsung.

[Start_Running]

OP.
FIrstly you're a little late since that's referencing something said by devs some years back. And Secondly. They are against buying activation keys off the grey market as opposed to legit licensed retailers.

There's a difference..

Wolverine の投稿を引用：

Well, you might want to keep in mind that
"if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing"
was a reaction to an Ubisoft Exec saying
"gamers need to get comfortable with not owning your games"
not to mention how more and more companies are trying to to squeeze more money from you through a monthly sub. for unlocking "all features" for a device you have bought from them.

Anyway, i bought the True Blood Blu-Ray Box a while ago, and i'm still looking for a good external USB Blu-Ray drive, that comes with the software needed to just connect the bloody thing and watch my movies and TV shows on my notebook.
I tried a drive from Verbatim, but the software included was a mess, always trying to sell me some "upgrade" instead of just letting me watch my Blu-Rays. But the real kicker is, anyone that just pirated the whole True Blood show from somewhere, can just watch the show without problems on anything he wants too...

Yup. And consumers who have any amount of restraint, or willpower will just walk away from that table and spend their money on someone ele's product.

Consumers need to remember that they have the final say and they have the option to walk away.

The minute the consumer forgets that walking away is an option..they've lost.