Called it - New California Law about game ownership does nothing
Was useless as I predicted, just a box that says read the SSA
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3346900678
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Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
Your onsession with bananas is irrelevant, you claimed you owned the content on disc, you don't.
I can use a DVD to watch the content at any time.
I can transfer ownership of the DVD.
If the DVD is taken without permission that is theft of property.

Which of these is made false by being unable to show the DVD at a bar?
Legutóbb szerkesztette: SKARDAVNELNATE; 2024. nov. 13., 17:21
SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
Your onsession with bananas is irrelevant, you claimed you owned the content on disc, you don't.
I can use a DVD to watch the content at any time.
I can transfer ownership of the DVD.
If the DVD is taken without permission that is theft of property.
All correct. However, you don't own the content on the DVD.

SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
Which of these is made false by being unable to show the DVD at a bar?
You were not given a license to publicly broadcast the content on the DVD. There is copyright case law where people have been sued for copyright violation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Pictures_Industries%2C_Inc._v._Redd_Horne%2C_Inc.

Movie rental stores were sued because they set up screening rooms for small groups. The movie rental store did not have the proper licensing for that even though they owned the media. Owning the media doesn't give carte blanche to do as you please.
rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:
You were not given a license to publicly broadcast the content on the DVD. There is copyright case law where people have been sued for copyright violation.
That doesn't make any of the earlier statements false. Being able to have a public showing of the content was never a criteria for owning that copy of the content.
SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
Your onsession with bananas is irrelevant, you claimed you owned the content on disc, you don't.
I can use a DVD to watch the content at any time.
I can transfer ownership of the DVD.
If the DVD is taken without permission that is theft of property.

Which of these is made false by being unable to show the DVD at a bar?

None of which has to do with not owning the content on the DVD and having a license.

Also if you don't pay for the DVD and issue a charge back it's not theft to take it back. That is the exact same scenario in which steam takes back a license.

Steam doesn't take back licenses you bought on steam unless the payment was reversed
SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:
You were not given a license to publicly broadcast the content on the DVD. There is copyright case law where people have been sued for copyright violation.
That doesn't make any of the earlier statements false. Being able to have a public showing of the content was never a criteria for owning that copy of the content.

If you actually owned it then a 3rd party couldn't restrict how you use it in your own property.

Since you don't own it, and have a license they can restrict how you use it
SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:
You were not given a license to publicly broadcast the content on the DVD. There is copyright case law where people have been sued for copyright violation.
That doesn't make any of the earlier statements false. Being able to have a public showing of the content was never a criteria for owning that copy of the content.

yeah every bit of it is an um actually moment. You have to do like so many levels of intellectual gymnastics to say that first sale doctrine doesn't protect your ownership over physical media more than digital media. You have no rights with digital media. do not give steam or anyone else a cent for anything digital until the state protects our rights as the customers.
Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
None of which has to do with not owning the content on the DVD and having a license
Precisely, you keep responding to me with things that have nothing to do with what I'm talking about in the post you quoted. Because of that I struggle to see how that has a bearing on anything that was said.

Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
Also if you don't pay for the DVD and issue a charge back it's not theft to take it back.
Obviously I'm talking about ownership of something that is actually your property.

Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
Steam doesn't take back licenses you bought on steam unless the payment was reversed
Isn't the advise going around that if you don't like it to delete your account?
Does that not result in Steam taking back everything you paid for?
Does Steam reverse the payment by issuing a refund in that event?
Legutóbb szerkesztette: SKARDAVNELNATE; 2024. nov. 13., 18:15
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rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:
You were not given a license to publicly broadcast the content on the DVD. There is copyright case law where people have been sued for copyright violation.
That doesn't make any of the earlier statements false.
Correct. I said that.
rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:
SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
I can use a DVD to watch the content at any time.
I can transfer ownership of the DVD.
If the DVD is taken without permission that is theft of property.
All correct. However, you don't own the content on the DVD.
You still don't own the content on the DVD. Ownership in this sense is for the physical media in which the movie was made available to you. That is the limit of your ownership: the plastic disc.

SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
Being able to have a public showing of the content was never a criteria for owning that copy of the content.
Again, correct. But what you actually said was...
SKARDAVNELNATE eredeti hozzászólása:
Which of these is made false by being unable to show the DVD at a bar?
You are leading to the conclusion that should be able to show the DVD at a bar. Your licensed copy of the movie on that DVD does not allow you to publicly broadcast it. Doing so is a copyright infringement.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: rawWwRrr; 2024. nov. 13., 20:05
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Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:
Except that disc versions also are simply licenses. Any "difference" is made up by people.
yer peps tend to think cause they have a disk they own the actually game lol, only if they read the eula on the back in small print xD

They did own the physical copy, which can be sold/traded/etc, and the game as-is so no updates done to "break" it, that is understandable. However their complaints are irrelevant here on a digital store front where there are no physical copies, simply the digital version of what they were already purchasing which would have a license tied to the physical cartridge.

In this case however they can't sell that license as it is tied to their account and Valve won't allow license transfers, this is specifically why things like remote play together and family sharing exist is to allow a way of doing that save for any limitations like bans, 3rd party account, etc however even with those the ones who want to be able to sell their licenses want limitations increased or removed in family sharing (family size, same game at the same time, etc). Asking to have the same game be able to play on 2 different devices from the same account.

Again I understand they want to be able to sell their licenses because that's possible in physical copies (gamestop what not), digitals work the same in terms of licensing but different where they can't sell the license. Essentially they couldn't legally stop people from selling their physical copies but they certainly can when tied to an account and placing limitations.
Brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
Was useless as I predicted, just a box that says read the SSA
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3346900678
nothing should surprise anyone about good old cally they have went and lost there minds at least the unelected leadership has
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Clown Syndrome eredeti hozzászólása:
The commercial world is full of scams and lies which are condoned by "watchdog" institutes. "Fish-free tuna". "free" mobile phones when it is actually just a loan. Just two examples from the top of my head. The list is endless.

You mean a vehgan alternative to tuna for vegans? Where's the scam?
Sounds no different from Milk-Free Milk" aka Soy/Rice/etc-Milk.
As for free mobile phones. Yeah The phone is free, But the plan you have to sign up with to get it isn't free.

All are things that any consumer will be aware of if they READ the terms, conditions and product descriptions.

The scam is that it is advertised as what it is not. "Fish free tuna" does not exist. Nobody reads EULAs etcetera, they aren't even written in a way which is understandable to a majority of people.
sorry i posted in the wrong thread
Legutóbb szerkesztette: justanotherhuman; 2024. nov. 14., 1:13
Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:
neos769 eredeti hozzászólása:
There is (and should be) any legal difference between a digital license and physical disk!
Except that disc versions also are simply licenses. Any "difference" is made up by people.
Hmmm...
Interesting take. this is indeed true for Half life 2 physical release, and TF2, and the Orange Box. However, a physical release of a game in the form of a CD-R or DVD not only contains a license, it also injects code into your computer containing that very game.
rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:
You are leading to the conclusion that should be able to show the DVD at a bar.
I'm not. I'm saying that such a conclusion is unrelated to anything preceding it. It's a non sequitur.
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