Digital VS Physical! It shall be Owned!

[Official King Willex]

I should of been on the debate team in school cause this is going to spark some conflation's here.
Some one on twitter say's Valve, Has Updated subscription agreement that these tax's we pay will be added up during check out but "We don't own these digital games"...

Now i'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree. Physical or digital If it's sitting on my shelf in a collection or other wise. If I payed for it. I own it. I had physical games before and they ended up stolen. I buy digital copy's now cause they can't be stolen. Now trying to convince ME i down own these game's. You'll have a hard time getting me to believe as such.

I'll say this much right now. If a game is removed from the steam store and yet still in my library. Guess what that mean's? I still own it. No one's going to tell me otherwise.

So Valve. Be sure to speak Clearly next time you have an update like that. Cause other wise what am I paying for? Digital air? 😅 I don't think so.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

As far as fiat currencies go, probably worth more than my local currency.

[Crazy Tiger]

引用自 Taebrythn：

引用自 Doctor ♥♥♥♥ Respect：

you guys are doing a really bad job at selling this whole license thing. Im not interested in it, ill just keep owning my games. You can keep your license

lol ignorant doesn't make it true. lol.

They're not ignorant, they know it's true. They're just being intentionally dense and obtuse.

It's part of their MO, often when posting in OT, they have to be in "character".

[76561198407601200]

引用自 jiggy：

last post let me get this strait they are selling us a license for money to use something what if we can't use it is that not called fraud

Unless someone has a reading comprehension skill then no, not fraud.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

All the info you and anyone else would need regarding a license is there. If someone fails to read that it is not fraud that is ignorance.

[RiO]

引用自 Taebrythn：

So again people keep thinking they own it. No you don't. you never have.

In the US - maybe. Other countries may have a different take on that.

For instance, the Dutch take on copyright for intellectual property works differently. Consumers purchase primarily a copy of the creative work. They own that copy. Such a copy can come with several limitations of use, contractually. And that's how the license is classified. There are a few things that don't have to be covered in license, because the actual copyright act forbids them unless there is permission given from the rights holder. E.g. the right to perform a work publicly is one of those.

[Vlad]

So that means the game only a waste of time and about achievements and saved games that i played hours it's only will be gone if the game deleted this's horrible

[Nx Machina]

Did you miss on every PC Client/Store you only licence games? Skipping the Eula does not change the reality of non ownership.

[76561199628031747]

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

They're not ignorant, they know it's true.

Correct, i do indeed know my words are true. Im glad you finally see the truth

[Nx Machina]

引用自 RiO：

In the US - maybe. Other countries may have a different take on that.

For instance, the Dutch take on copyright for intellectual property works differently. Consumers purchase primarily a copy of the creative work. They own that copy. Such a copy can come with several limitations of use, contractually. And that's how the license is classified. There are a few things that don't have to be covered in license, because the actual copyright act forbids them unless there is permission given from the rights holder. E.g. the right to perform a work publicly is one of those.

You keep ignoring Ubisoft and CDPR, both EU companies, licence games to you, they are not sold.

Assassins Creed Valhalla: This product is licenced to you, not sold.

The Witcher 3: This licence is for your personal use only (so you can't give a sublicense to someone else) and doesn't give you ownership rights.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Official King Willex：

Digital VS Physical! It shall be Owned!

The industry isn't going back to the 'Good old days' model of ownership.

Because we are where we are because of all the 'liberties' people took around parts of licensing, becuase enforcing them was hard at the time. 'Liberties' that were taking a hit on the licensor's bottom line.

So now we have licenses along the tools to actually enforce them. And this is all the destination of the path we've all sailed this ship to.

引用自 Doctor ♥♥♥♥ Respect：

you guys are doing a really bad job at selling this whole license thing. Im not interested in it, ill just keep owning my games. You can keep your license

The thing is everywhere regardless of you bein interested on it or not. You may think you're 'off the hook' by buying DRM Free games you (think you) 'own' But your position isn't much different than the guy who says lives 'off the grid'... But every two weeks goes to the gas station to buy gas for his generator. It's all a charade in the end and you're still part of the system.

You also serve as an example of many of the previous steps that have brought us to where we are.

[76561199628031747]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Official King Willex：

Digital VS Physical! It shall be Owned!

The industry isn't going back to the 'Good old days' model of ownership.

Because we are where we are because of all the 'liberties' people took around parts of licensing, becuase enforcing them was hard at the time. 'Liberties' that were taking a hit on the licensor's bottom line.

So now we have licenses along the tools to actually enforce them. And this is all the destination of the path we've all sailed this ship to.

引用自 Doctor ♥♥♥♥ Respect：

you guys are doing a really bad job at selling this whole license thing. Im not interested in it, ill just keep owning my games. You can keep your license

The thing is everywhere regardless of you bein interested on it or not. You may think you're 'off the hook' by buying DRM Free games you (think you) 'own' But your position isn't much different than the guy who says lives 'off the grid'... But every two weeks goes to the gas station to buy gas for his generator. It's all a charade in the end and you're still part of the system.

You also serve as an example of many of the previous steps that have brought us to where we are.

sorry bub, still not interested in your licenses. Really gotta work on your sales pitch if you want people to be interested in it.

[Ferox_Stormdragon]

All software is licensed not sold, licenses can be revoked by the developers at any time. it has always been this way regardless if the software is physical or digital

I have game manuals going back to the original Doom that clearly state this.

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引用自 Ferox_Stormdragon：

All software is licensed not sold, licenses can be revoked by the developers at any time. it has always been this way regardless if the software is physical or digital

I have game manuals going back to the original Doom that clearly state this.

this is True! in fact John Carmack kicked doen my door, beat me up with judo and revoked my Quake 1 cd. Was a miserable experience

[Jakob Fel]

The difference is that with Steam, it's still possible for Valve to remove your game outright. It happens with sketchy keys or when a developer revokes en masse keys from key resellers, so it can theoretically still happen with games you buy here. That's why DRM-free is important, and it's the one thing that'd make Steam the perfect platform in my eyes. Sure, not every game can be DRM-free, not every developer would allow it, but for the games that are already DRM-free, giving Steam users access to the offline installers a la a DRM-free store would make this service perfect in my eyes.

You don't own a game unless you can download the files and installers, then use them 100% offline without a client. That's the only reason I still occasionally buy DRM-free (won't name names, not sure if it's permitted in this forum), and it's almost always just games I love so I can have a a second copy so I can have the offline installers backed up on external hard drives.

[skOsH♥]

引用自 The Living Tribunal：

引用自 jiggy：

last post let me get this strait they are selling us a license for money to use something what if we can't use it is that not called fraud

Unless someone has a reading comprehension skill then no, not fraud.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

All the info you and anyone else would need regarding a license is there. If someone fails to read that it is not fraud that is ignorance.

I don't understand how people don't understand what fraud is.

Fraud: taking money in exchange of a service or commodity that is promised or agreed upon, and then never delivering the service or item. It's stealing with extra steps

Yet so many people are freaking out over the new SSA

Did they read any eula's or tos's for any of their purchases? I don't know. I do like to read the ones I have to agree to, and if it seems too shady then I'll probably stop using it

[dperry260]

引用自 Official King Willex：

I should of been on the debate team in school cause this is going to spark some conflation's here.
Some one on twitter say's Valve, Has Updated subscription agreement that these tax's we pay will be added up during check out but "We don't own these digital games"...

Now i'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree. Physical or digital If it's sitting on my shelf in a collection or other wise. If I payed for it. I own it. I had physical games before and they ended up stolen. I buy digital copy's now cause they can't be stolen. Now trying to convince ME i down own these game's. You'll have a hard time getting me to believe as such.

I'll say this much right now. If a game is removed from the steam store and yet still in my library. Guess what that mean's? I still own it. No one's going to tell me otherwise.

So Valve. Be sure to speak Clearly next time you have an update like that. Cause other wise what am I paying for? Digital air? 😅 I don't think so.