Steam's awful hands off policy / uncaring attitude of garbage treatment of consumers. What can we do?

[DeAdMaN]

AI in games either art or coding, triple A publishers constant garbage games with horrible monetization, Games removed from store so that people have to buy the remakes. Reviews
getting censored so that the triple A companies can be appeased...I've spent over $10,000 on my steam account, Hell i've bought two steam decks... at this point without someone trying to keep an eye out for us consumers, it's hard not to lump steam in with every garbage game ceo, whos only interest is draining more money while offering ♥♥♥♥ in return. EVERY GAME steam offers affects its reputation and valve/Steam's response is loud and clear. THE CONSUMER IS ♥♥♥♥ AND WE ONLY CARE WHEN IT MAKES US LOOK BAD OR COSTS US MONEY. Games are barely games anymore. Dev's/Publishers are never held responsible. I have had steam for so long I am now a father of 3 kids -edit here for more context- and with modern games nowadays my kids want to play there always seems to be some sort of GOTCHA/LOOTBOX GAMBLING system or FOMO purposefully baked into new games. NO these are not awesome kinder surprises and half the time the companies fall back on their promises of supporting the game long term. Gamers are constantly getting screwed. When will it be enough? When will valve actually go for quality and not mass hot garbage. Maybe valve should have some quality control or some hard rules about micro transactions. Look as gamers we really cannot afford such monetization that literately made to psychologically make you buy it even if you cannot afford it. How many people have developed gambling addictions due to lootboxes? valve cannot say their hands are clean.

[DeAdMaN]

Originally posted by Aachen:

Uncomfortable truths such as “other people have different tastes and interests than you, and Steam caters to them as well?”

steam caters to no one... you can have different tastes. you've addressed nothing

[Aachen]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

steam caters to no one... you can have different tastes. you've addressed nothing

…. No one gets anything from Steam?

I intended to address your overarching complaint of “why does Steam offer things I personally dislike?”

[DeAdMaN]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Instructing people to do fraudulent chargebacks is against the rules.

Doesn't matter if you think the chargeback is right. It's fraudulent according to the terms you agreed to.

fraudulent cannot be decided by valve it something that has to be decided in court. or a lawyer. Chargebacks are there for a reason. also where did i mention chargebacks in this post? seems like a piss poor attempt at dismissing uncomfortable truths

also if you go back to that post my opinion is that chargebacks are the only real way to vote with your wallet. Do not do a chargeback if you want to keep your account. Yes thats in the rules. saying one word is not instruction...

[DeAdMaN]

Originally posted by Aachen:

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

steam caters to no one... you can have different tastes. you've addressed nothing

:spazdunno: …. No one gets anything from Steam?

I intended to address your overarching complaint of “why does Steam offer things I personally dislike?”

you took my arguments as i personally do not like thats like arguing against a point cause you hate the person making it.

[Aachen]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

you took my arguments as i personally do not like thats like arguing a point cause you hate the person making it.

You expressed your disdain for specific mechanics, development tools, and a nebulous complaint about lack of quality.

There were a few asides, e. g. about reviews; hence m’use of “overarching.”

[DeAdMaN]

Originally posted by Aachen:

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

you took my arguments as i personally do not like thats like arguing a point cause you hate the person making it.

You expressed your disdain for specific mechanics, development tools, and a nebulous complaint of “quality.”

i think you need to read more and post less but hey just an opinion

[Aachen]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

i think you need to read more and post less but hey just an opinion

What’s my standing ratio?

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

AI in games either art or coding, triple A publishers constant garbage games with horrible monetization, Games removed from store so that people have to buy the remakes. Reviews
getting censored so that the triple A companies can be appeased...I've spent over $10,000 on my steam account, Hell i've bought two steam decks... at this point without someone trying to keep an eye out for us consumers, it's hard not to lump steam in with every garbage game ceo, whos only interest is draining more money while offering ♥♥♥♥ in return. EVERY GAME steam offers affects its reputation and valve/Steam's response is loud and clear. THE CONSUMER IS ♥♥♥♥ AND WE ONLY CARE WHEN IT MAKES US LOOK BAD OR COSTS US MONEY. Games are barely games anymore. Dev's/Publishers are never held responsible. I have had steam for so long I am now a father of 3 kids and with modern games nowadays there always seems to be some sort of GOTCHA/LOOTBOX GAMBLING system or FOMO purposefully baked into new games. NO these are not awesome kinder surprises and half the time the companies fall back on their promises of supporting the game long term. Gamers are constantly getting screwed. When will it be enough? When will valve actually go for quality and not mass hot garbage. Maybe valve should have some quality control or some hard rules about micro transactions. Look as gamers we really cannot afford such monetization that literately made to psychologically make you buy it even if you cannot afford it. How many people have developed gambling addictions due to lootboxes? valve cannot say their hands are clean.

Valve is the very reason why loot box gambling was popular among western made games, because other western dev/pubs saw the massive amount of money Valve was making from the loot boxes in all of Valve's free to play games.

Valve literally profits from and creates gambling addiction among children and adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpvePQVscUQ

Valve stopped being a consumer friendly company many many years ago, its not consumer friendly through Steam, its not consumer friendly through their free to play games.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

something happened in the mid to late 90s...
like people realised they could rip off people and get away with it...

and we have been getting ripped off ever since...

[DeAdMaN]

Originally posted by ragefifty50:

something happened in the mid to late 90s...
like people realised they could rip off people and get away with it...

and we have been getting ripped off ever since...

I mean i was born in 91 while there where some crap but i don't think the monetization really kicked off until mobile games decided to go all in. I suppose i thought steam was ... of a different caliber. Sucks to see it...

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Instructing people to do fraudulent chargebacks is against the rules.

Doesn't matter if you think the chargeback is right. It's fraudulent according to the terms you agreed to.

fraudulent cannot be decided by valve it something that has to be decided in court. or a lawyer. Chargebacks are there for a reason. also where did i mention chargebacks in this post? seems like a piss poor attempt at dismissing uncomfortable truths

It's decided based the agreement you agree to.

They allow an automatic refund window. Outside of that window, the developer is the one you have to talk to. If they deny if, you're free to pursue a legal route.

Instructing others to do charge backs or even offering it as "advice" isn't something you're allowed to do without consequences.

[DeAdMaN]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

fraudulent cannot be decided by valve it something that has to be decided in court. or a lawyer. Chargebacks are there for a reason. also where did i mention chargebacks in this post? seems like a piss poor attempt at dismissing uncomfortable truths

It's decided based the agreement you agree to.

They allow an automatic refund window. Outside of that window, the developer is the one you have to talk to. If they deny if, you're free to pursue a legal route.

Instructing others to do charge backs or even offering it as "advice" isn't something you're allowed to do without consequences.

Sigh yes ignore the post completely.... again it wasn't advice. If your not going to talk about the current post why are you here?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

AI in games either art or coding, triple A publishers constant garbage games with horrible monetization, Games removed from store so that people have to buy the remakes. Reviews
getting censored so that the triple A companies can be appeased...I've spent over $10,000 on my steam account, Hell i've bought two steam decks... at this point without someone trying to keep an eye out for us consumers, it's hard not to lump steam in with every garbage game ceo, whos only interest is draining more money while offering ♥♥♥♥ in return. EVERY GAME steam offers affects its reputation and valve/Steam's response is loud and clear. THE CONSUMER IS ♥♥♥♥ AND WE ONLY CARE WHEN IT MAKES US LOOK BAD OR COSTS US MONEY. Games are barely games anymore. Dev's/Publishers are never held responsible. I have had steam for so long I am now a father of 3 kids and with modern games nowadays there always seems to be some sort of GOTCHA/LOOTBOX GAMBLING system or FOMO purposefully baked into new games. NO these are not awesome kinder surprises and half the time the companies fall back on their promises of supporting the game long term. Gamers are constantly getting screwed. When will it be enough? When will valve actually go for quality and not mass hot garbage. Maybe valve should have some quality control or some hard rules about micro transactions. Look as gamers we really cannot afford such monetization that literately made to psychologically make you buy it even if you cannot afford it. How many people have developed gambling addictions due to lootboxes? valve cannot say their hands are clean.

Valve is the very reason why loot box gambling was popular among western made games, because other western dev/pubs saw the massive amount of money Valve was making from the loot boxes in all of Valve's free to play games.

Valve literally profits from and creates gambling addiction among children and adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpvePQVscUQ

Valve stopped being a consumer friendly company many many years ago, its not consumer friendly through Steam, its not consumer friendly through their free to play games.

Except Valve makes more of the money through the marketplace of trading.

To act like Valve is the creator of a gambling addiction(when the crates literally don't have near the fanfare of predatory loot boxes) is dishonest.

But, it isn't unexpected.

[Crazy Tiger]

I have no issue finding fun games. The stuff I don't like, I just ignore.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

It's decided based the agreement you agree to.

They allow an automatic refund window. Outside of that window, the developer is the one you have to talk to. If they deny if, you're free to pursue a legal route.

Instructing others to do charge backs or even offering it as "advice" isn't something you're allowed to do without consequences.

Sigh yes ignore the post completely.... again it wasn't advice. If your not going to talk about the current post why are you here?

Originally posted by DeAdMaN:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Too many people claim of being "censored" but just break the rules to the extent Steam Support or the Dev/Dev appointed mods have to get involved, like making rants as "reviews" without reviewing a game.

Or in a game hub telling people to do a chargeback, which would result in their account being locked, which is against the rules to tell people to do that due to the consequences if such actions are followed.

The details left out usually paint a specific picture. Do note that games on account, amount supposedly on steam, job/rank/title etc doesn't matter compared to having pure amounts of spending customers. You're free to vote with your wallet, but you're not free to tell people to do chargebacks.

if your talking about an old conversation if the only option is chargeback then thats your only option and yes i can offer any advice I want....

So you didn't do this?