Steam moderation does not encourage anything pleasant.

[Alasdair]

The moderation here is bad and unproductive none of it creates a situation that furthers kind discussion what it does further is a game of chicken where people go as far as they can insulting the other person or being as offensive as is allowed with out going over the board or breaking any rules in spirit, then report the other person when they are upset. if you aren't going to moderate the bad actors don't moderate at all.

Not a single bit of the conversation here has been any more productive than else where if anything it's worse and the meta is about getting someone else banned, rather than discussing ideas. there are infinitely more trolls here because there are moderators that ban for the slightest infraction. The mods are rewarding it. They are rewarding this behaviour.

Companies should not be in control of the hubs about their games, they should recuse themselves of such things, it's such an obvious bias, of course they'd censor people to protect their bottom line. censoring people for insults is completely silly, no other website does this. I've gotten banned for the most stupid things, and it doesn't say if it's done by a steam moderator or a company. so it's making valve look bad. Steam is giving company's the ability to make them look bad essentially to the ideas of people who care to post about things, that's a bad idea.

Just because someone can do something and has the right to doesn't mean they should. every time someone makes a thread about censorship someone makes a "um acthually." rant about it being their right, and freedom of association and property. as if that's in contest. they can do it, and I can call them out on doing it, and they can suffer consequences for having done ideally like losing their 230 decency protections, or my business and the business of people who find censorship repulsive.

after you get banned you can't report the other person so even if they broke the rules you are more than likely to have forgot about it by the time you are unbanned, so it rewards people for breaking the rules to chicken someone else into doing it as well, then they can report them. it's not productive.

This is costing steam money paying for moderators to make their company look bad. The brand image of valve should be freedom and it should be about the end user expressing itself freely on the platform not this closed locked down archaic elder abomination of forums full of petty tyrants. You didn't provide any argument to even justify the ban at all. you provided nothing.

You can say they have a right to do it all they want and they have a right to accept the consquences of their actions which is people caling it bad, and critisizing it. it does not foster good behaviour out of their users. I find this moderation method repulsive and I can't believe steam is apparently paying for it. paid janitors worse than free ones.

[Alasdair]

Origineel geplaatst door Mad Scientist:

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

private companies have an obligation to keep their customers safe from bad actors.

That's what they do with their Moderation team. Though once someone has been hit by Steam Support, it's safe to say they should stop or risk privileges being revoked.

in a real store you are face to face with someone else and encounters can get violent and people can be harmed that is not the case online, that is not an issue. no one is harmed by speech they disagree with or are offended by.

Moderation could just autoblock or shadow ban someone someone else has reported to make it look like they were banned. and everyone would be infinitely more happy being able to speak freely.

[Thermal Lance]

You are not entitled to a soap box to spread your "speech". Especially if said speech goes against the community guidelines/rules.

[Alasdair]

Origineel geplaatst door Thermal Lance:

You are not entitled to a soap box to spread your "speech". Especially if said speech goes against the community guidelines.

https://youtu.be/X6Xe3SGUH6A?t=20

this is you right now.

[Alasdair]

Origineel geplaatst door C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Then they are publishers not a platform and should be open to being sued by other companies and people for hosting potential libel. I hope this company gets completely destroyed over the next year when this goes into effect or is forced to have open debate and discussion on the platform as intended by the section 230.

Nowhere is the word guidelnes only used:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

Rules.

Their rules don't matter I'm talking about the law. they operate under "section 230 of the communications decency act" which allows them to not be sued for libel, and dmca content on their platform, I hope they lose those privileges and get subject to lawsuits and get bankrupted.

[Komarimaru]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Origineel geplaatst door C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Nowhere is the word guidelnes only used:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

Rules.

Their rules don't matter I'm talking about the law. they operate under "section 230 of the communications decency act" which allows them to not be sued for libel, and dmca content on their platform, I hope they lose those privileges and get subject to lawsuits and get bankrupted.

And yet, they are still required by section 230 to moderate content. Why not read the whole thing?

[Alasdair]

not a single point has their moderation protected me or my discussion threads from people responding in an unwelcome way. it was still a very unwelcoming community, almost like moderation isn't the problem and it does not further a single bit of positive energy here at all it makes it worse. which is my point.

[Alasdair]

Origineel geplaatst door Komarimaru:

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Their rules don't matter I'm talking about the law. they operate under "section 230 of the communications decency act" which allows them to not be sued for libel, and dmca content on their platform, I hope they lose those privileges and get subject to lawsuits and get bankrupted.

And yet, they are still required by section 230 to moderate content. Why not read the whole thing?

being required to have law breaking posts or libel posts taken down doesn't mean you are subject to consequences for the actions in the same way a publisher would be. this isn't an argument. the offender and person legally at fault would still be the poster of said law breaking content.

[The Commendatore]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

The fact you can be community banned if your are banned in multiple hubs at once is absurd, getting a two week ban for speech alone is insane. no other platform gives someone a site wide ban for being banned in two places at once. these companies could share a ban list and slowly ban you two hubs at a time and keep your account permently locked. makes no sense. it allows for the worst forms of moderation possible, and doesn't encourage any pleasant or open discussion at all which is the point of moderation to remove bad actors and allow good actors to post freely.

If you managed to get yourself banned from multiple hubs at the same time, then, odds are, the community ban is well-warranted.

Like, how do you even accomplish getting banned across multiple hubs to get an automatic community ban "by accident"?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Origineel geplaatst door C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Nowhere is the word guidelnes only used:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

Rules.

Their rules don't matter I'm talking about the law. they operate under "section 230 of the communications decency act" which allows them to not be sued for libel, and dmca content on their platform, I hope they lose those privileges and get subject to lawsuits and get bankrupted.

Please stop your nonsense. You know this thread is going to be locked right?

They always lock them. Discussing a ban or moderation here is pointless. Why?
None here can do anything about it.

Jim Carrey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOtyWTRZ_g

[Alasdair]

Origineel geplaatst door The Commendatore:

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

The fact you can be community banned if your are banned in multiple hubs at once is absurd, getting a two week ban for speech alone is insane. no other platform gives someone a site wide ban for being banned in two places at once. these companies could share a ban list and slowly ban you two hubs at a time and keep your account permently locked. makes no sense. it allows for the worst forms of moderation possible, and doesn't encourage any pleasant or open discussion at all which is the point of moderation to remove bad actors and allow good actors to post freely.

If you managed to get yourself banned from multiple hubs at the same time, then, odds are, the community ban is well-warranted.

Like, how do you even accomplish getting banned across multiple hubs to get an automatic community ban "by accident"?

and I've heard this is done by companies not platform moderators so companies right now have the ability retroactively ban you for your posts, for your opinion, and can collude with other companies to keep your account perpetually banned when you have violated not rules, that's absurd. and they can do this everyday.

[Thermal Lance]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Origineel geplaatst door Thermal Lance:

You are not entitled to a soap box to spread your "speech". Especially if said speech goes against the community guidelines.

https://youtu.be/X6Xe3SGUH6A?t=20

this is you right now.

Reality does not care about your feelings.

[Komarimaru]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Origineel geplaatst door Komarimaru:

And yet, they are still required by section 230 to moderate content. Why not read the whole thing?

being required to have law breaking posts or libel posts taken down doesn't mean you are subject to consequences for the actions in the same way a publisher would be. this isn't an argument.

And they are also free to moderate based on their own rules. They are allowed to have their own rules to maintain order and keep things civil.

[Alasdair]

Origineel geplaatst door C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Their rules don't matter I'm talking about the law. they operate under "section 230 of the communications decency act" which allows them to not be sued for libel, and dmca content on their platform, I hope they lose those privileges and get subject to lawsuits and get bankrupted.

Please stop your nonsense. You know this thread is going to be locked right?

They always lock them. Discussing a ban or moderation here is pointless. Why?
None here can do anything about it.

Jim Carrey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOtyWTRZ_g

mods are watching this thread, if they wanted to shut it down now they would have done so.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

not a single point has their moderation protected me or my discussion threads from people responding in an unwelcome way. it was still a very unwelcoming community, almost like moderation isn't the problem and it does not further a single bit of positive energy here at all it makes it worse. which is my point.

They're not your threads. Public forum.

The INSTANT you submit them, they're public.

[The Commendatore]

Origineel geplaatst door Alasdair:

Origineel geplaatst door The Commendatore:

If you managed to get yourself banned from multiple hubs at the same time, then, odds are, the community ban is well-warranted.

Like, how do you even accomplish getting banned across multiple hubs to get an automatic community ban "by accident"?

and I've heard this is done by companies not platform moderators so companies right now have the ability retroactively ban you for your posts, for your opinion, and can collude with other companies to keep your account perpetually banned.

Really? So why are you currently able to post if that were true?