Steam moderation does not encourage anything pleasant.

[Alasdair]

The moderation here is bad and unproductive none of it creates a situation that furthers kind discussion what it does further is a game of chicken where people go as far as they can insulting the other person or being as offensive as is allowed with out going over the board or breaking any rules in spirit, then report the other person when they are upset. if you aren't going to moderate the bad actors don't moderate at all.

Not a single bit of the conversation here has been any more productive than else where if anything it's worse and the meta is about getting someone else banned, rather than discussing ideas. there are infinitely more trolls here because there are moderators that ban for the slightest infraction. The mods are rewarding it. They are rewarding this behaviour.

Companies should not be in control of the hubs about their games, they should recuse themselves of such things, it's such an obvious bias, of course they'd censor people to protect their bottom line. censoring people for insults is completely silly, no other website does this. I've gotten banned for the most stupid things, and it doesn't say if it's done by a steam moderator or a company. so it's making valve look bad. Steam is giving company's the ability to make them look bad essentially to the ideas of people who care to post about things, that's a bad idea.

Just because someone can do something and has the right to doesn't mean they should. every time someone makes a thread about censorship someone makes a "um acthually." rant about it being their right, and freedom of association and property. as if that's in contest. they can do it, and I can call them out on doing it, and they can suffer consequences for having done ideally like losing their 230 decency protections, or my business and the business of people who find censorship repulsive.

after you get banned you can't report the other person so even if they broke the rules you are more than likely to have forgot about it by the time you are unbanned, so it rewards people for breaking the rules to chicken someone else into doing it as well, then they can report them. it's not productive.

This is costing steam money paying for moderators to make their company look bad. The brand image of valve should be freedom and it should be about the end user expressing itself freely on the platform not this closed locked down archaic elder abomination of forums full of petty tyrants. You didn't provide any argument to even justify the ban at all. you provided nothing.

You can say they have a right to do it all they want and they have a right to accept the consquences of their actions which is people caling it bad, and critisizing it. it does not foster good behaviour out of their users. I find this moderation method repulsive and I can't believe steam is apparently paying for it. paid janitors worse than free ones.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

and I can call that out it's called consequences for your actions. You don't get to do anything with out response from people you act upon.

This not a private platform, it operates with permission and protections from the state, and I hope trump utterly destroys valve if they refuse to give their users free speech.

I have zero sympathy for the interests of others who do not respect my interests. this is absolutely a cycle of violence, the people encouraging and engaging in it is valve.

You want to put your boot on my throat and censor me I'll do the same to you. and smile while I do it.

It actually is and newsflash: Valve is a private company. Do you EVER look anything up?

[76561199735811989]

Diposting pertama kali oleh C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Clown Syndrome:

Spoken like someone who has never tried it. Support is a joke. And they need to be called out.

It's that why I've successfully appealed numerous bans, four of which being community bans?

I knew you were going to say that. Yes they revert them sometimes. Which only shows that moderation makes a lot of "mistakes". Which aren't really mistakes, they just don't give a ♥♥♥♥ and will ban everyone for no reason just to be on the "safe side".

If they don't revert it, they will never give you a reason and will only spam you with default template messages. I can only think of one thing which would be worse, and that is if they would ignore you completely and not respond at all.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

How exactly are you going to censor moderation or anyone here?

[Alasdair]

Diposting pertama kali oleh C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

and I can call that out it's called consequences for your actions. You don't get to do anything with out response from people you act upon.

This not a private platform, it operates with permission and protections from the state, and I hope trump utterly destroys valve if they refuse to give their users free speech.

I have zero sympathy for the interests of others who do not respect my interests. this is absolutely a cycle of violence, the people encouraging and engaging in it is valve.

You want to put your boot on my throat and censor me I'll do the same to you. and smile while I do it.

It actually is and newsflash: Valve is a private company. Do you EVER look anything up?

They are not a private company they operate under protections from the state, it also doesn't matter if they have the right to do something. I can call them out for doing it. and say it is bad. and wrong to have done so. this is the consequence for their actions.

I hope they get completely destroyed by trump when they lose their 230 protections for being a biased platform, or they are forced with the boot of the state on their throat to respect freedom of speech.

I don't care if they are a private company, I don't care about their property rights, I con't care about their rights. I care about my interests and I would do literally anything to them. I hate these people. they have stopped being human to me at all.

Censorship is lame it doesn't develop good will from the customers or users of the platform. it only breeds hate. if they want to keep doing that I'm all for it. keep debasing the faith in your customers over letting people speak freely I'm sure that will do wonders for image.

[Mad Scientist]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

and I can call that out it's called consequences for your actions. You don't get to do anything with out response from people you act upon.

A form of enforcement taking action on someone for violations means that individual had consequences. The enforcement ie Moderation cannot have "consequences" for completely justifiable actions.

They usually lock threads where people publicly dispute their bans, usually as a way to make a user chill out rather than applying another ban, unless of course, the individual does more violations.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

This not a private platform, it operates with permission and protections from the state, and I hope trump utterly destroys valve if they refuse to give their users free speech.

It's literally a private company and the forums are not required for the sole purpose of business, they do not need anyones permission to have a forum or make civility rules for it.

Just like how stores can also trespass people or have them arrested for doing things in their store; people are guests here on this private property with privileges that can be revoked.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

I have zero sympathy for the interests of others who do not respect my interests. this is absolutely a cycle of violence, the people encouraging and engaging in it is valve.

Literally does nothing violent.
Others interests may not align with their rules/guidelines or intended use, showing people the door for poor behavior towards others is perfectly allowed if individuals fail to behave on their platform. Afterall, even if someone gets a permanent community ban, they can still play their games.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

You want to put your boot on my throat and censor me I'll do the same to you. and smile while I do it.

That is not what any of this is.
For example, if one was to try this sort of behavior in a walmart, notice how quickly it will go badly to the point of arrest. Plenty of bodycam videos to display various forms of uncivil action & behavior that makes people into criminals/felons.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Clown Syndrome:

Diposting pertama kali oleh C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

It's that why I've successfully appealed numerous bans, four of which being community bans?

I knew you were going to say that. Yes they revert them sometimes. Which only shows that moderation makes a lot of "mistakes". Which aren't really mistakes, they just don't give a ♥♥♥♥ and will ban everyone for no reason just to be on the "safe side".

If they don't revert it, they will never give you a reason and will only spam you with default template messages. I can only think of one thing which would be worse, and that is if they would ignore you completely and not respond at all.

"They don't give a crap, but they revert bans that are mistakes"

Ok............................

[Thermal Lance]

I'm not so sure that blowing a gasket on the forums is going to help you in any meaningful way.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

Diposting pertama kali oleh C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

It actually is and newsflash: Valve is a private company. Do you EVER look anything up?

They are not a private company.........

Google says otherwise.

[Alasdair]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

and I can call that out it's called consequences for your actions. You don't get to do anything with out response from people you act upon.

A form of enforcement taking action on someone for violations means that individual had consequences. The enforcement ie Moderation cannot have "consequences" for completely justifiable actions.

You took out the context. So it can be completely ignored. he's saying they can do something with out being saying anything about it in response, on or off platform this is wrong.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Thermal Lance:

I'm not so sure that blowing a gasket on the forums is going to help you in any meaningful way.

Just leads to further moderation, which you'd think they'd figure out by now..........

[Alasdair]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

It's literally a private company and the forums are not required for the sole purpose of business, they do not need anyones permission to have a forum or make civility rules for it.

Just like how stores can also trespass people or have them arrested for doing things in their store; people are guests here on this private property with privileges that can be revoked.

doesn't matter, they operate with protections from the state, and therefore are accountable to the state. which means they can lose their 230 protections when they are operating as a publishher, not a platform.

this isn't a discussion of rights but me saying they shouldn't do it. so your point can be rejected as not even debating me at all you aren't even challenging my position you are ignoring it.

[Alasdair]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Literally does nothing violent.

censorship is force force is violence, violence brings about violence, and they deserve it.

[Alasdair]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Alasdair:

You want to put your boot on my throat and censor me I'll do the same to you. and smile while I do it.

That is not what any of this is.
For example, if one was to try this sort of behavior in a walmart, notice how quickly it will go badly to the point of arrest. Plenty of bodycam videos to display various forms of uncivil action & behavior that makes people into criminals/felons.

a platform is not the same thing as a physical location. these are incomparable. walmart does not have protections from lawsuits. You can sue a company if they didn't protect you on their property, you can not sue a platform on the internet for the speech of individuals for their speech that violates copyright or libel laws, companies have no obligation to censor anyone legally in the same way private companies have an obligation to keep their customers safe from bad actors. there's no risk of bodily harm for people speaking freely online. and if they censor people selectively they stop being a platform and become a publisher and should be sued into oblivion for the speech on the platform they didn't properly censor that violates libel laws or copyright laws.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

First you say they're not a private company...them several others tell you otherwise (even Google) I mean it's verifiable....then you're like "Doesn't matter" YES. it does matter BECAUSE:


"The First Amendment right to free speech generally protects private speech from governmental restrictions. It doesn't protect against speech restrictions imposed by private entities. "

Like holy..........

[Alasdair]

Diposting pertama kali oleh C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

First you say they're not a private company...them several others tell you otherwise (even Google) I mean it's verifiable....then you're like "Doesn't matter" YES. it does matter BECAUSE:


"The First Amendment right to free speech generally protects private speech from governmental restrictions. It doesn't protect against speech restrictions imposed by private entities. "

Like holy..........

Not a single person brought up the first amendment here, not a single one. Freedom of speech or free speech has nothing to do with the american government. You aren't even addressing your opposition at all.

They aren't operation 100% privately outside of state protection, they have state privileges and protections from lawsuits that isn't afforded to other people or companies. this means they aren't a 100% private company.

If they were a publisher, not a platform this wouldn't be an issue they are abusing the law already. if they were a publisher they would be open to libel and DMCA lawsuits.