Steam moderation does not encourage anything pleasant.

[Alasdair]

The moderation here is bad and unproductive none of it creates a situation that furthers kind discussion what it does further is a game of chicken where people go as far as they can insulting the other person or being as offensive as is allowed with out going over the board or breaking any rules in spirit, then report the other person when they are upset. if you aren't going to moderate the bad actors don't moderate at all.

Not a single bit of the conversation here has been any more productive than else where if anything it's worse and the meta is about getting someone else banned, rather than discussing ideas. there are infinitely more trolls here because there are moderators that ban for the slightest infraction. The mods are rewarding it. They are rewarding this behaviour.

Companies should not be in control of the hubs about their games, they should recuse themselves of such things, it's such an obvious bias, of course they'd censor people to protect their bottom line. censoring people for insults is completely silly, no other website does this. I've gotten banned for the most stupid things, and it doesn't say if it's done by a steam moderator or a company. so it's making valve look bad. Steam is giving company's the ability to make them look bad essentially to the ideas of people who care to post about things, that's a bad idea.

Just because someone can do something and has the right to doesn't mean they should. every time someone makes a thread about censorship someone makes a "um acthually." rant about it being their right, and freedom of association and property. as if that's in contest. they can do it, and I can call them out on doing it, and they can suffer consequences for having done ideally like losing their 230 decency protections, or my business and the business of people who find censorship repulsive.

after you get banned you can't report the other person so even if they broke the rules you are more than likely to have forgot about it by the time you are unbanned, so it rewards people for breaking the rules to chicken someone else into doing it as well, then they can report them. it's not productive.

This is costing steam money paying for moderators to make their company look bad. The brand image of valve should be freedom and it should be about the end user expressing itself freely on the platform not this closed locked down archaic elder abomination of forums full of petty tyrants. You didn't provide any argument to even justify the ban at all. you provided nothing.

You can say they have a right to do it all they want and they have a right to accept the consquences of their actions which is people caling it bad, and critisizing it. it does not foster good behaviour out of their users. I find this moderation method repulsive and I can't believe steam is apparently paying for it. paid janitors worse than free ones.

[Alasdair]

so instead of playing the game I have to argue it or appeal to the developers, then get censored, and then have to argue about censorship. or just completely give up and do nothing.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Alasdair：

if I could chill and play dark and darker for the next 8 hours locally I would do that instead of arguing with people in the steam forums but it's not an option.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/AlasdairXIV/badges/13

You can play your other games.....guess which option between those two will accomplish something?

引用自 Alasdair：

so instead of playing the game I have to argue it or appeal to the developers, then get censored, and then have to argue about censorship. or just completely give up and do nothing.

This isn't appealing to the devs......................

[Alasdair]

I don't want to play my other games I want to play dark and darker.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Alasdair：

I don't want to play my other games I want to play dark and darker.

I want to have one billion dollars.......

[Alasdair]

presenting your position in places where they can see it in the forum. is appealing to them, but I think we are past the point of appealing to developers being effective nor would it ever be the incetivies to be a live service game are stronger than any negative impact it has in image at this point like 10-20 years ago a live service game would be hated or disliked now it's normalized even for a single player game.

[Alasdair]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 Alasdair：

I don't want to play my other games I want to play dark and darker.

I want to have one billion dollars.......

playing a video game is more reasonable. I want to be able to give someone money for a product and own it. one of these things is rational, the other isn't.

[The Commendatore]

引用自 Alasdair：

I don't want to play my other games I want to play dark and darker.

So play it. A forum ban doesn't stop you from playing the game.

[Alasdair]

引用自 The Commendatore：

引用自 Alasdair：

I don't want to play my other games I want to play dark and darker.

So play it. A forum ban doesn't stop you from playing the game.

I quit the game, deleted my character, and the game itself because it was service based and can not be modded and the player has to play on their servers, so I argued that this ruins the game for me in the forums, and got banned multiple times. which is why I'm upset with the moderation. I wouldn't be in the forums at all if I could just play the game and use software as I see fit, I would have no reason to be here, and this is just people defending abuse of power at every angle with me.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Alasdair：

presenting your position in places where they can see it in the forum. is appealing to them, but I think we are past the point of appealing to developers being effective nor would it ever be the incetivies to be a live service game are stronger than any negative impact it has in image at this point like 10-20 years ago a live service game would be hated or disliked now it's normalized even for a single player game.

lol...they revoked the key and you REALLY think they're reading this?

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Isn't the multiplayer/pvp aspect of the game one of its key components...? Plus, it's free.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Alasdair：

The fact you can be community banned if your are banned in multiple hubs at once is absurd

No it's not, otherwise toxic people would jump from hub to hub being toxic until they get permanently banned from every single one. (Fun fact. That was what happened in the early days of the Steam discussions)

Repeated misbehaviour requires increasingly bigger punishment.

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

Not really our fault that you didn't realize that devs are Steam users too.

Correction, they're not just users. They're Steam PARTNERS.

[Alasdair]

These systems of power do not benefit anyone is my point, they aren't making the forum a better, place they aren't making games any higher quality or receive more updates centralization just makes everything worse.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Alasdair：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

I want to have one billion dollars.......

playing a video game is more reasonable. I want to be able to give someone money for a product and own it. one of these things is rational, the other isn't.

You've never owned it.....16 years and you still don't knows this.

[Alasdair]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

Isn't the multiplayer/pvp aspect of the game one of its key components...? Plus, it's free.

Being free doesn't mean anything it's not a shield for anything.

[Alasdair]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 Alasdair：

playing a video game is more reasonable. I want to be able to give someone money for a product and own it. one of these things is rational, the other isn't.

You've never owned it.....16 years and you still don't knows this.

yeah wanting to have legal protections for the things you buy as unreasonable as wanting a billion dollars, well you aren't wrong with how bad the american government is it's a joke.