You dont own the Steam games you paid for!

[Wizzcat]

i just found out that all the hundreds and hundreds of dollars I've spent on steam games,that they are not mine to keep, if something happens to steam, or you do not have a steam account, all the games you bought are gone, all the money you spent on the games is gone, you don't own physical copies that you can install again if you don't have a steam account.

[Ben Lubar]

Knee님이 먼저 게시:

Wizzcat님이 먼저 게시:

if something happens to steam, or you do not have a steam account, all the games you bought are gone

how do you buy steam games without an account?

I guess you could buy a physical game in a store, but it will say right there on the box that you need to make a free Steam account if you want to play it.

[rawWwRrr]

You may own a book. But you don't own the words on the pages.

You may own a CD. But you don't own the music in the CD.

You may own a Blu-ray disc. But you don't own the movie on the Blu-ray.

You may own your computer. But you don't own the games on it that you installed from Steam.

[76561199723263784]

Ben Lubar님이 먼저 게시:

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

So you still don't get it. Well you're never going to get it, then. I never agreed to anything. I can say: If you read this, you agree to give me all your money. Is that valid? No it isn't. It's all a scam. Yet people like you are sheepish enough to go along with it.

You don't get to claim that. By entering the establishment, you have agreed to follow its rules. As long as you are here on Steam, you have to follow Steam's rules, or you need to leave. You are only permitted to do the things that a contract allows you to do if you follow the rules that the contract lays out. It's not magic. It's law.

Which establishment? We are not talking about the forums here, we are talking about needing a "license" for a game you bought. I am not "on Steam" and nobody can kick me out of anything.

[Nx Machina]

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

So you still don't get it. Well you're never going to get it, then. I never agreed to anything. I can say: If you read this, you agree to give me all your money. Is that valid? No it isn't. It's all a scam. Yet people like you are sheepish enough to go along with it.

You did agree when you clicked accept on the Eula, but as already stated take CDPR, Ubisoft or any other developer to court and prove ownership of games.

You are aware that claiming you did not read xyz in a court is irrelevant when they only need to know you clicked accept, downloaded, installed and played the game.

It is the same with a mortgage or a car you are purchasing on finance for example, a court is only interested in whether you signed agreements and why you are in debt to the company involved after you agreed to pay.

The biggest irony of course is you have no games on this account you are posting on.

Why not post on your main which you give validity to your point of view, assuming you have games on that account.

[Աnspøttǝđ]

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

The car is mine and I can use it whenever I like.

You can't make multiple copy of your car. Instead you can burn, destroy, etc. your car, just like your own HDD and physical DVD.

[76561199723263784]

Nx Machina님이 먼저 게시:

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

So you still don't get it. Well you're never going to get it, then. I never agreed to anything. I can say: If you read this, you agree to give me all your money. Is that valid? No it isn't. It's all a scam. Yet people like you are sheepish enough to go along with it.

You did agree when you clicked accept on the Eula, but as already stated take CDPR, Ubisoft or any other developer to court and prove ownership of games.

You are aware that claiming you did not read xyz in a court is irrelevant when they only need to know you clicked accept, downloaded, installed and played the game.

It is the same with a mortgage or a car you are purchasing on finance for example, a court is only interested in whether you signed agreements and why you are in debt to the company involved after you agreed to pay.

The biggest irony of course is you have no games on this account you are posting from.

Why not post on your main which you give validity to your point of view, assuming you have games on that account.

Like I said, you're just not going to get it. Do you know what agreeing means? It means I ACTUALLY AGREE with something. Me clicking on a box has nothing to do with that.

[76561199723263784]

Աnspøttǝđ님이 먼저 게시:

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

The car is mine and I can use it whenever I like.

You can't make multiple copy of your car. Instead you can burn, destroy, etc. your car, just like your own HDD and physical DVD.

That is actually a good point. Imagine that you WOULD be able to copy your car at no cost. Great, right? Now everyone can own a car! But car manufacturers would not like that, and try to make it illegal. Not for the good of the people, but because they want money.

[Nx Machina]

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

Like I said, you're just not going to get it. Do you know what agreeing means? It means I ACTUALLY AGREE with something. Me clicking on a box has nothing to do with that.

Oh! But it does hence why reads accept. There is also a reject button, but of course on the account you are posting on you have no games, so there is nothing to click on.

What about your main? How many games do you have on your hdd after accepting the Eula to be able to download, install and play them?

[HikariLight]

Alasdair님이 먼저 게시:

ZeroKasa님이 먼저 게시:

That was always in their terms of service, not to mention that such information goes without saying.

The TOS and EULA can not go above the law, the problem is with the law not steam.

If you can legally own an uncertified shares, you can legally own digital games.

the state should regulate digital media like shares in a company with all the same restrictions and rights as the buyer so we can legally own our property regardless of if it's printed on a disc or not.

The TOS and EULA are in fact legal.
They are legally binding agreements.
If they were illegal, they why have they not been overturned in a court of law yet?

What you have ALWAYS purchased was the right to view or play the media, you NEVER had ownership rights over it.
Doesn't matter if you own a physical copy of it, that's just a physical license instead of a digital one.

This hasn't changed in the 40+ years video games and other such media have existed.

[76561199723263784]

Nx Machina님이 먼저 게시:

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

Like I said, you're just not going to get it. Do you know what agreeing means? It means I ACTUALLY AGREE with something. Me clicking on a box has nothing to do with that.

Oh! But it does hence why reads accept. There is also a reject button, but of course on the account you are posting on you have no games, so there is nothing to click on.

What about your main? How many games do you have on your hdd after accepting the Eula to be able to download, install and play them?

Forget it, I said it twice already. You're just not going to get it.

[Anmheda]

There are actually some games on Steam without DRM, which means they will work fine outside Steam/without Steam :) So you can copy these game folders and back them up for eternity.
If you want to own the games, its better to buy them at GOG or at least buy games without DRM.

[Nx Machina]

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

Forget it, I said it twice already. You're just not going to get it.

I get it. I do not own a single game on my account, I licence them, but not just on here but also GOG Galaxy, EA Play app, Battlenet app, Rockstar Launcher and Ubisoft Connect.

You do not have any games on the account you are posting so ownership is irrelevant and even if you did you still only licence them.

[xBCxRangers]

Same here OP. Thank goodness they're all Win 7 and prior era games years ago. Not costly. Since then, only about 4 i play on Ge Force Now. Console is the way to go.

[Nx Machina]

Anmheda님이 먼저 게시:

If you want to own the games, its better to buy them at GOG or at least buy games without DRM.

You do not own games on GOG, you licence them.

[76561199723263784]

Nx Machina님이 먼저 게시:

ghost님이 먼저 게시:

Forget it, I said it twice already. You're just not going to get it.

I get it. I do not own a single game on my account, I licence them, but not just on here but also GOG Galaxy, EA Play app, Battlenet app, Rockstar Launcher and Ubisoft Connect.

You do not have any games on the account you are posting so ownership is irrelevant and even if you did you still only licence them.

That's not "getting it", that's parroting. You aren't getting anything I am saying and you don't know how to respond to those things. Simply repeating your stance is not responding.