Umm, what is this? "Posting privileges: Only players who own HELLDIVERS™ 2 are allowed to post in this forum."

[Festus]

I have been following this game since it came out and tonight I was thinking about buying it. However, when I go to the discussion forum and I want to ask a question about if its a good idea to buy this game at this junction I find out that I am not Allowed to ask ANY questions of the players that own it. Why you may ask, because of this and I quote: "Posting privileges: Only players who own HELLDIVERS™ 2 are allowed to post in this forum." Well guess what, I will not buy this game or any game I cannot make a comment in the games discussion forum. This is not acceptable as a Steam customer, period.

[76561199736783158]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seamus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

Nice generic lecture. To me this is just authoritarian ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. But I'm not even interested anyway, I was just talking about the term.

The term has a meaning. It's what the person you're replying to said it means.

That's not authoritarian anything. it's literally what it means.

Ok you keep thinking that then. I know explaining it to you doesn't work. You don't even understand you need arguments for your opinion to count. I'm tired of it. Learn how to have a discussion if you want to engage in one.

[Seamus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seamus:

The term has a meaning. It's what the person you're replying to said it means.

That's not authoritarian anything. it's literally what it means.

Ok you keep thinking that then. I know explaining it to you doesn't work. You don't even understand you need arguments for your opinion to count. I'm tired of it. Learn how to have a discussion if you want to engage in one.

Except, you didn't explain your argument, nor did you back it with anything substantiated in any way.

You simply chose to ignore what was said to you.

Free speech has a very defined meaning.

You missed said meaning.

[76561199736783158]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seamus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

Ok you keep thinking that then. I know explaining it to you doesn't work. You don't even understand you need arguments for your opinion to count. I'm tired of it. Learn how to have a discussion if you want to engage in one.

Except, you didn't explain your argument, nor did you back it with anything substantiated in any way.

You simply chose to ignore what was said to you.

Free speech has a very defined meaning.

You missed said meaning.

Yeah sure bro. Best argument ever. Bye.

[Seamus]

Gotta love when someone knows they're wrong.

[76561199736783158]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seamus:

Gotta love when someone knows they're wrong.

Well, what can I do? Against the best argument ever? Nothing of course. I am simply no match for you. I don't know how you even have time to be here with all the ♥♥♥♥♥ you must be pulling.

[Seamus]

No response to someone like myself or Chika Ogiue being objectively correct?

Stoop to insults! Works every time!

[76561199736783158]

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No response to someone like myself or Chika Ogiue being objectively correct?

Stoop to insults! Works every time!

What insults?

[Seraphita]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

What insults?

Combative behavior would be the better wording. You don't seem to be here to discuss but to fight. This thread is a bit of a joke as it is. Some games will lock their discussion board to only the owner of the games if they see non-owners invade and troll.

[Chika Ogiue]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrQun:

What if I as a potential customer had questions about the game that I can't gleam from reviews or gameplay footage?

Is Steam literally the only forum on the internet where could ask such a question? No it isn't. You have plenty of places you could ask, so what exactly, is stopping you from doing so?

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seraphita:

Well, I was not trying to make an argument for or against this thread. Just asking. XD But if I had to say something about this thread: Sometimes, such a lock is needed.

Fair enough. But you're right, such lockdowns are necessary at times, and with the prevalence of so-called "woke" trolling these days, I wouldn't be surprised if most games defaulted to locking the majority of their discussion forums to owners only.

People forget, they reap what they sow.

[Seraphita]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chika Ogiue:

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrQun:

What if I as a potential customer had questions about the game that I can't gleam from reviews or gameplay footage?

Is Steam literally the only forum on the internet where could ask such a question? No it isn't. You have plenty of places you could ask, so what exactly, is stopping you from doing so?

If you only have a steam account and don't want a social media account for a question, it kinda is. But even steam blocks that now with restrictions. What we should do then is no longer ask but search by other means. Videos, reviews, results.

Hell. Chat gpt could even help, I suppose. Otherwise, I think the general steam forums are a good place to ask if the game is good or not. Nobody can go and ask "Go on their forums" since it is not even an option. So asking on general IS alright...

I asked Chat GPT if helldivers 2 was good and it gave me a FULL review of the game. Sure, it might be based on opinions found on the internet but we shouldn't treat any opinions like facts, anyway. But yeah, I guess there are solutions out there.

[Animus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seraphita:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

What insults?

Combative behavior would be the better wording. You don't seem to be here to discuss but to fight. This thread is a bit of a joke as it is. Some games will lock their discussion board to only the owner of the games if they see non-owners invade and troll.

Which is likely why the Devs of mentioned game did just that.

[76561199736783158]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seraphita:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

What insults?

Combative behavior would be the better wording. You don't seem to be here to discuss but to fight. This thread is a bit of a joke as it is. Some games will lock their discussion board to only the owner of the games if they see non-owners invade and troll.

I have already told you the reason. These people are the worst debaters ever and I am tired of it. Nothing they say makes sense, it's all trickery, manipulation, denial and immaturity. They fail at logic and don't even understand simple words. I can see what they are doing but I can't communicate it to them. The gap is just way too large. It's like trying to explain calculus to an 8-year-old.

[MrQun]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chika Ogiue:

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrQun:

What if I as a potential customer had questions about the game that I can't gleam from reviews or gameplay footage?

Is Steam literally the only forum on the internet where could ask such a question? No it isn't. You have plenty of places you could ask, so what exactly, is stopping you from doing so?

Sure I could go other places for this information but I shouldn't have to. But this is besides the point. Before I purchase a product or service I would want to know the quality of said product or service. But I would also want to know the quality of the company of said product or service. These forums are now basically the equivalent of customer service/ relations and by preventing me (a potential customer) from using their forums is very unprofessional and quite pathetic. As far as I'm concerned they are basically telling me to f@ck off. Well fine, they've lost a customer forever.

[Seamus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

I have already told you the reason.

No, you didn't. You stuck your fingers in your ears and said "That's not what free speech is!" even when that is quite literally what free speech is.

[Chika Ogiue]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seraphita:

If you only have a steam account and don't want a social media account for a question, it kinda is.

But it isn't. Not even in that situation. There are other forums out there. Other gaming communities that are not on a Discord or a hub on Reddit, even. You could easily ask such questions without having to rely on Twitter style sites, too. For that matter, if your question is truly about whether the game is worth playing, then someone else has already certainly asked it at this point in a game's life, so there's little need to even register an account in most circumstances.

Plus, as you point out, AI chat services could do the searching for you, and provide a summary of viewpoints. Although you'd have to then consider how accurate the AI is being in its response.

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

These people are the worst debaters ever.

Says the guy who hasn't debated a single point in this thread.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrQun:

But I would also want to know the quality of the company of said product or service.

If one of your criteria is how a developer interacts with their community, you can easily pick that up by just reading the forum for a few days. But no, what you're actually implying, is that your criteria is whether the developers will let you, personally, get away with asking heated questions with the intent of riling their existing customer base. And you've got that answer without having to post, too; they won't.