Changed OS to 10, painful to use
[Update: Reverted back to W7 (for now!?).]

Check my specs at the end of this writing. It did install after about 1 hour, I had 2 GPU glitches and 1 system crash, 3 BSODs, 1 hardware damage so far, which never happened in years while using Windows 7.

Some of my games I played with light-speed are now lagging no matter what settings I adjust in-game or inside OS.

I had to disable ~30 services, adjust ~10 policies, uninstall ~30 useless apps, stop many scheduled tasks, and now it's barely functional with time to time crashes. (once a day)

This was part I was afraid of, even tho the OS is giving me Vertigo due to lags and bad design, but Windows 11 is literally impossible to run on this machine, and I can't imagine the bloat it will install which I'm sure will render my new PC useless if I buy any.

The issue is the never ending cycle, not just the Windows 10.

Pentium(R) Dual Core 2.60GHz
2GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT 1GB
HDD
En son Chesmu tarafından düzenlendi; 21 May 2023 @ 8:55
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İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
İlk olarak Muppet among Puppets tarafından gönderildi:
Just asking, why do i need a start process button in a task manager? Dont know where or why to look for it.
Also dont know what a bevelled border is.

Wait, you mean start stop services? Thats the last tab.

By now there is not much left of what you said win 10 is, but isnt.
how would you restart explorer.exe without a function within the task manager to start a process?

On all of my time on Windows10 I haven't needed to reboot the Explorer.exe
I know I've had to do on previous Windows version when it crashed but on Win10 it just hasn't crashed at all.

Or if it has crashed windows have automatically restarted the process.

The function is still there and always will be there. But you're just not gonna use it because there is no need for it.



İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
I'd ask you how you re-aligned the task bar to not look like a mac... but I don't think I should honestly have to play around with my system to maintain the same functionality I had previously.

and I cringe to even think about the task manager in modern windows and how much of a PITA it might be to figure out how to re-initialise things without a full system restart... probably wouldn't even let me end explorer.exe cuz it thinks I'm hacking myself or some ****.

It's only on Win11 where they move to the taskbar to the middle. You can easily change that by right clicking taskbar and click the bottom option.
It's not hard to change this.
You can also change more stuff here right away.
For someone who wants to know how to run new processes in the taskmanager, you'd think you at least wouldn't have any problems with these settings.


Win10 has the best startmenu because I could easily put programs I rarely run into those spots and they'd get a nice big icon. It was neatly made. If I wanted to access the other programs in the start menu which mind you is rare for me I could just get to it with one extra click.

Win11 which I'm currently on, has a worse start menu because it's just icons. They also insist on having a Recommended thing there which I have no use for. But I can easily live without it.


So with having what looks like 2 major problems for you easily fixed, is Windows 10/11 looking better for you?
İlk olarak Start_Running tarafından gönderildi:
And yet other people are playing just fine.
İlk olarak 👑 dudu_vazana 👑 tarafından gönderildi:
İlk olarak Start_Running tarafından gönderildi:
And yet other people are playing just fine.
İlk olarak Chesmu tarafından gönderildi:
I'm aware of my hardware's status, it's almost 20 years old and even older than Windows 7, I mentioned my specs for different reasons than the wrong ones being focused on here.

It is to make understanding, that despite multiple EOLs of OS' I used on it and the hardware itself, it functioned perfectly for whatever I needed it for, even after 3 cycles of Windows deaths, it runs the 8.1 like butter.

There is something really wrong with Windows 10 and above and there are processes built into those that are not at all benefiting the user or is any of use for them, therefore slowing down the OS, costing users money and time by requiring more specs than a honest OS would require, and also having more built in shops and advertisement than bug fixes or security innovations.
For first your hardware dont really work well thats why you get issues technology progresses forward most users have stronger in fact i was suprised to see what you used you can probly get a stronger rig very cheap for most devices is stronger than yours people bring up hardware in is yours is barly enough for most browsers and over time as tech evolves stuff will also demand more i kinda get that you feel you shouldnt need a new pc but in your case even the cheapest budget office laptop is better than what you currently use also it would just take 1 security breach of your system to brick it at this point at the very least expand your ram to 4 or 8 gb ram you would need would probly not even cost alot and would improve performance no matter what os you use
En son lailaamell tarafından düzenlendi; 17 May 2023 @ 0:47
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
İlk olarak Muppet among Puppets tarafından gönderildi:
Just asking, why do i need a start process button in a task manager? Dont know where or why to look for it.
Also dont know what a bevelled border is.

Wait, you mean start stop services? Thats the last tab.

By now there is not much left of what you said win 10 is, but isnt.
how would you restart explorer.exe without a function within the task manager to start a process?

uh... im assuming you are new to windows, seeing as the "run" command has been a thing long before win 7 and still a thing in win 10 and 11....

also, that "services" tab you see on the task manager? you can access that without task manager in win 10 and 11, in iterations before, services wasnt part of the task manager...
İlk olarak Muppet among Puppets tarafından gönderildi:
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
you also said you'd just restart your computer because that's easier for you...

maybe we don't view computers the same way... maybe that's why you need "enhanced security"... but what I don't get is why that should force changes upon me.

addendum: also still haven't given gaben my cell number either... they don't need that.
Dont know why "never needed to restart explorer" makes me need enhanced security.
And if restarting the computer is faster than looking up how to fix a temporary problem, i restart the computer at first occurance.

I know how to set things up so i like them, or i read how. I dont worry about new things like an os before i tried them. Phone numbers were printed in public books, so i dont worry if steam has my phone number.

Yes, we see things differently.
I guess I was making some assumptions, sorry.

however once you know how to fix a problem you don't have to look it up anymore. it can be a lot faster. like I'm sure you've seen streamers who have audio problems and need to end their stream to restart their PC and lose views... wouldn't be an issue if they knew how to fix it without restarting.

and I have checked out windows 10... it's a pain to even install.
it obfuscates what I consider to be basic functionality.

it's fine to say "oh just do this work-around"... but now were at the point where you need to modify your registry to even install windows without making an account first... it's ridiculous.
En son kingjames488 tarafından düzenlendi; 18 May 2023 @ 4:37
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
and I have checked out windows 10... it's a pain to even install.
it obfuscates what I consider to be basic functionality.
Conversely, upgrading to Windows 10 from 7 was the smoothest Windows transition I ever did. It went a heck of a lot smoother than XP to 7, and I lost zero functionality on my system after I upgraded to 10 (with the exception of Windows VM being replaced with Hyper-v, but since I didn't use VM on that particular system, I didn't lose that functionality). Only one Steam Game in my library failed to launch on Windows 10. Since I had already finished the game, I haven't bothered looking up how to resolve that, yet.
En son BJWyler tarafından düzenlendi; 18 May 2023 @ 4:40
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
and I have checked out windows 10... it's a pain to even install.
it obfuscates what I consider to be basic functionality.
For me it was different than that.
Trying out a new os without having to make a fresh install was good. Going back with a click, as well.

But i definitely want my shorcut to old system control.
Some things i do with the windows 10 settings usually though.
All this after what I thought was a very productive conversation.

OP was warned that his ancient hardware was better suited for the museum than for regular use, though it's understandable if that's all they have with no real prospects for getting something better any time soon. It seemed the idea of running Windows 10 was a no-go without at minimum a RAM upgrade, if their hardware even supports more than 2 GB of RAM.

As an alternative, they were suggested a very lightweight version of Linux with one minor snag. Their ancient GPU doesn't support Vulkan which is required for Proton to work so they can still play their games. They were pointed to a newer (but still old) AMD GPU that cost about as much as a good sized sandwich on Ebay. They seemed receptive to the idea.

The next thing OP posts is that they went against all reasonable advice and installed Windows 10 as-is anyway with no RAM upgrade in some misguided effort to prove... something.
Pretty much. I mean Teh OP was pushing w10 on a machin with less ram than I had in my XP machine.

The simple truth is.. it's not super expensive to upgrade even if you swap out your hardware. You just have to make up your mind that you won;t be buying as many games this year because of it.
some people are good at doing some really odd things
and others should try doing something odd...

i remember watching a show once where a guy took
their pc to a person who waved a carrot around it and
then threw the carrot into the pc to fix it... funny...

arent there places around that can help people get
cheap or free computers of pick up pc that are going
to be thrown out.. i just dumped a old pc and parts
and printer at a office works store... where does that
stuff go...
İlk olarak ragefifty50 tarafından gönderildi:
some people are good at doing some really odd things
and others should try doing something odd...

i remember watching a show once where a guy took
their pc to a person who waved a carrot around it and
then threw the carrot into the pc to fix it... funny...

arent there places around that can help people get
cheap or free computers of pick up pc that are going
to be thrown out.. i just dumped a old pc and parts
and printer at a office works store... where does that
stuff go...
Refurbished is a thing. Heck, I got of couple of nice PCs over the years from Dell's outlet site for like half the cost of what they were going for new. Sometimes all it is is a ding (literally that was one of the ones I got) on the shell. They are perfectly new otherwise.
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
I guess I was making some assumptions, sorry.

however once you know how to fix a problem you don't have to look it up anymore. it can be a lot faster. like I'm sure you've seen streamers who have audio problems and need to end their stream to restart their PC and lose views... wouldn't be an issue if they knew how to fix it without restarting.

So because "some" streamers have had to reboot their PC for some rare software bugging up you think everyone else has to do it? Also they choose to reboot their PC rather than the program itself.

If something stopped working on Windows 10 I just re launch the program. You don't go to the Run menu or start a new task in the Taskmanager to do it.
I've never had to completely reboot my PC to start up a program that crashed. Them crashing is rare enough as it is.

İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
and I have checked out windows 10... it's a pain to even install.
it obfuscates what I consider to be basic functionality.

Okay, name these basic functionalities then. It should be rather easy as they are basic ones.


İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
it's fine to say "oh just do this work-around"... but now were at the point where you need to modify your registry to even install windows without making an account first... it's ridiculous.

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

Don't need to do anything in Regedit by the looks of it.
İlk olarak Zefar tarafından gönderildi:
So because "some" streamers have had to reboot their PC for some rare software bugging up you think everyone else has to do it? Also they choose to reboot their PC rather than the program itself.

If something stopped working on Windows 10 I just re launch the program. You don't go to the Run menu or start a new task in the Taskmanager to do it.
I've never had to completely reboot my PC to start up a program that crashed. Them crashing is rare enough as it is.
actually I was talking about potential bugs with audio/graphics drivers, not some program crashing... and it seemed like a good real world example to me.

personally my audio messes up all the time and I have to go in and disable/re-enable the device to get it to work again... it's a lot faster than restarting my whole PC and w.e I was doing at the time.

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İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
and I have checked out windows 10... it's a pain to even install.
it obfuscates what I consider to be basic functionality.

Okay, name these basic functionalities then. It should be rather easy as they are basic ones.
well I already mentioned the changes in task manager that hide the start task button.
besides that if you're installing the OS from scratch instead of upgrading (I guess?) it tries to force you into creating a windows account and linking it to your PC unless you click on the tiny little text at the bottom that says "I don't have an internet connection"... and from what I've heard it's an even more complicated on win11 that involves editing the registry...

I don't have a long list, I haven't used the OS extensively...

İlk olarak Zefar tarafından gönderildi:
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
it's fine to say "oh just do this work-around"... but now were at the point where you need to modify your registry to even install windows without making an account first... it's ridiculous.

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

Don't need to do anything in Regedit by the looks of it.

I haven't checked the situation lately, when I looked into it they had locked down the work-around and it required editing the registry... and being able to start the task without explorer being active (heh, when would anyone ever need to do that? XD)
En son kingjames488 tarafından düzenlendi; 18 May 2023 @ 11:59
İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
actually I was talking about potential bugs with audio/graphics drivers, not some program crashing... and it seemed like a good real world example to me.

personally my audio messes up all the time and I have to go in and disable/re-enable the device to get it to work again... it's a lot faster than restarting my whole PC and w.e I was doing at the time.

Audio drivers are some of the most stable thing and have never had any issues with them on win10. Maybe installed some driver in the very start but that's about it.
Graphics drivers are of no problem either.

If something is wrong with them you do a fresh install of those graphics drivers.

Also you having a lot of problems with them might be because it's on Win7. Ever given the thought that the old OS might be the issue here?

It's old, companies like to move on and focus on newer hardware.

İlk olarak kingjames488 tarafından gönderildi:
well I already mentioned the changes in task manager that hide the start task button.
besides that if you're installing the OS from scratch instead of upgrading (I guess?) it tries to force you into creating a windows account and linking it to your PC unless you click on the tiny little text at the bottom that says "I don't have an internet connection"... and from what I've heard it's an even more complicated on win11 that involves editing the registry...

I don't have a long list, I haven't used the OS extensively...

Okay, I'll tell you where they masterfully hid the "Run new task".
You open task manager by right clicking the taskbar, select Task manager.
Go to File -> Run new task

Phew that was a real secret alright.
On Win11 they hid it in plain sight. As in literally on the main window for Task manager.



As for the account. It's just an account and it doesn't link the OS to it. Due to my 10 year old SSD died on me recently I had to re install Win11.
I still had to type in my Win8.1 Key to start the installation of Win11.

The link I posted too was for Win11. Posted 22 days ago. No one mentions it in the comment section on the article.
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