Changed OS to 10, painful to use

[Chesmu]

[Update: Reverted back to W7 (for now!?).]

Check my specs at the end of this writing. It did install after about 1 hour, I had 2 GPU glitches and 1 system crash, 3 BSODs, 1 hardware damage so far, which never happened in years while using Windows 7.

Some of my games I played with light-speed are now lagging no matter what settings I adjust in-game or inside OS.

I had to disable ~30 services, adjust ~10 policies, uninstall ~30 useless apps, stop many scheduled tasks, and now it's barely functional with time to time crashes. (once a day)

This was part I was afraid of, even tho the OS is giving me Vertigo due to lags and bad design, but Windows 11 is literally impossible to run on this machine, and I can't imagine the bloat it will install which I'm sure will render my new PC useless if I buy any.

The issue is the never ending cycle, not just the Windows 10.

Pentium(R) Dual Core 2.60GHz
2GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT 1GB
HDD

[kingjames488]

Цитата допису brian9824:

Цитата допису kingjames488:

it has nothing to do with windows... they're just updating the version of chrome they use instead of actually programming it themselves and google has decided it's not supporting win7 anymore?

stop muddling concepts.

Please read the FAQ - https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A.

In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

There are a few reasons, one of which is the Chromium updates as well as planed features they want to add that require windows 10 or newer.

*future versions*... as in not the current reason for this...

I'm sure "future versions" of steam will at some point also not support windows 10/11 if steam is still going at that point... that statement is essentially meaningless. kinda like the proceeding statement that is essentially a copy-paste from literally everywhere that has only an abstract basis in fact.

you'd think my using windows 7 would have resulted in my being hacked by now... except that's not how that works... but that's another topic for another thread.

[_galaxy]

Why the hell are you using windows 10 with those specs, you should be on linux

[Brian9824]

Цитата допису kingjames488:

*future versions*... as in not the current reason for this...

Future versions, such as the update coming next year which will be a version...in the future or a future version....

Цитата допису kingjames488:

I'm sure "future versions" of steam will at some point also not support windows 10/11 if steam is still going at that point... that statement is essentially meaningless. kinda like the proceeding statement that is essentially a copy-paste from literally everywhere that has only an abstract basis in fact.

Definitely, just like it happened with XP, ME, etc. It will ALWAYS happen eventually, trying to hope they create alternate clients every time is an exercise in futility.

[kingjames488]

Цитата допису brian9824:

Цитата допису kingjames488:

*future versions*... as in not the current reason for this...

Future versions, such as the update coming next year which will be a version...in the future or a future version....

Цитата допису kingjames488:

I'm sure "future versions" of steam will at some point also not support windows 10/11 if steam is still going at that point... that statement is essentially meaningless. kinda like the proceeding statement that is essentially a copy-paste from literally everywhere that has only an abstract basis in fact.

Definitely, just like it happened with XP, ME, etc. It will ALWAYS happen eventually, trying to hope they create alternate clients every time is an exercise in futility.

it's just XP... no one ever used ME, or 2000, or vista, or and of those in-between OSs... it was 95/98 -> XP -> 7 -> 10? ->14?

what's the upgrade path here? things are becoming obsolete faster than they can progress at this point...

[Brian9824]

Цитата допису kingjames488:

Цитата допису brian9824:

Future versions, such as the update coming next year which will be a version...in the future or a future version....


Definitely, just like it happened with XP, ME, etc. It will ALWAYS happen eventually, trying to hope they create alternate clients every time is an exercise in futility.

it's just XP... no one ever used ME, or 2000, or vista, or and of those in-between OSs... it was 95/98 -> XP -> 7 -> 10? ->14?

what's the upgrade path here? things are becoming obsolete faster than they can progress at this point...

Windows 7 will have been out for ~15 years when its no longer supported, that is hardly becoming obsolete fast....

Windows 10 will be out at minimum a decade before support for it ends, and no word yet on when support for it on Steam will end which can easily be several years more.

[Stiletto]

Цитата допису kingjames488:

what's the upgrade path here? things are becoming obsolete faster than they can progress at this point...

And the big difference, up to and including 7, was that there was fundamental performance gaps that compelled users to upgrade. Those performance gaps have largely disappeared in favor of "well you have to upgrade because...um...SECURITY!"

Meanwhile no security updates are protecting people against "Do Not Redeem" scammers, ransomware, or giant corporations and government bodies getting "hacked" and giving millions of sets of personal information to criminals.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Цитата допису brian9824:

Цитата допису kingjames488:

it's just XP... no one ever used ME, or 2000, or vista, or and of those in-between OSs... it was 95/98 -> XP -> 7 -> 10? ->14?

what's the upgrade path here? things are becoming obsolete faster than they can progress at this point...

Windows 7 will have been out for ~15 years when its no longer supported, that is hardly becoming obsolete fast....

Windows 10 will be out at minimum a decade before support for it ends, and no word yet on when support for it on Steam will end which can easily be several years more.

10 was there for 10,3 years when it ends.

[Brian9824]

Цитата допису Muppet among Puppets:

Цитата допису brian9824:

Windows 7 will have been out for ~15 years when its no longer supported, that is hardly becoming obsolete fast....

Windows 10 will be out at minimum a decade before support for it ends, and no word yet on when support for it on Steam will end which can easily be several years more.

10 was there for 10,3 years when it ends.

Well 10 years when MICROSOFT's support for it ends. That doesn't mean Steam will cut support as soon as microsoft does, so its at MINIMUM 10 years. I mean Windows 7&8 are being supported for a year after Microsoft killed support for them, and it could be several years longer past that theoretically for 10.

[kingjames488]

Цитата допису Stiletto:

Цитата допису kingjames488:

what's the upgrade path here? things are becoming obsolete faster than they can progress at this point...

And the big difference, up to and including 7, was that there was fundamental performance gaps that compelled users to upgrade. Those performance gaps have largely disappeared in favor of "well you have to upgrade because...um...SECURITY!"

Meanwhile no security updates are protecting people against "Do Not Redeem" scammers, ransomware, or giant corporations and government bodies getting "hacked" and giving millions of sets of personal information to criminals.

that's more or less the issue... all the security updates in the world won't save you when you aren't aware of the nigerian prince scam because someone who tried to tell you got banned because someone thought "nigerian prince" was a racial slur >.>

software can't solve societies problems...

[Stiletto]

Цитата допису kingjames488:

that's more or less the issue... all the security updates in the world won't save you when you aren't aware of the nigerian prince scam because someone who tried to tell you got banned because someone thought "nigerian prince" was a racial slur >.>

I don't know whether that's more funny or sad in its veracity.

[kingjames488]

Цитата допису Stiletto:

Цитата допису kingjames488:

that's more or less the issue... all the security updates in the world won't save you when you aren't aware of the nigerian prince scam because someone who tried to tell you got banned because someone thought "nigerian prince" was a racial slur >.>

I don't know whether that's more funny or sad in its veracity.

I'm also often unsure if these things are funny or sad >.<

[Chaussettes]

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[Chesmu]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

They can choose to upgrade or no use the client anymore

That's not much of a choice because hundreds of games are tied to user's accounts.

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Цитата допису N3tRunn3r:

Цитата допису Chesmu:

Changed OS to 10, painful to use

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[Update: Reverted back to W7 (for now!?).]

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Pentium(R) Dual Core 2.60GHz
2GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT 1GB
HDD

After a successful upgrade, you should had clean installed W10 afterwards. Of course there will be errors as incompatible drivers do run after a upgrade. A fresh and clean install is neccessary.

Not necessary, you are basing this off old knowledge. I am an IT tech for work and I have upgraded hundreds of machines from 7 to 8 then later to 10 and not had any issue with 95% of them. Occasionally you get a weird issue where you need to reload the system but the updates work really well these days. Going from XP to Vista to 7 was messy but they have definitely improved it with Win8 onwards.

The video driver is actually not kept when upgrading to 10 and a new one is downloaded from Windows Update. After the initial update you only have MIcrosoft Basic Display Driver.

[Apesap]

Sorry for opening up this thread, but i think i can add something to the discussion that wasn't mentioned before.

Like many in this thread, i think, barring unsupported hardware or botched install, that the ram is the limiting factor in your setup (in addition to the bloat).

Many have suggested upgrading this, as the OS is probably relying on the pagefile on a slow HDD. My suggestion is to scrounge a USB stick from somewhere, and use that as extra ram. The steps are relatively simple and can be found online for that. It essentially uses the flash drive preferencially for the page file, which is way faster than using the hdd. Works on win7 too.

For the bloat, i too think that tiny10 could work as it is truely a stripped down version of the OS. Alternatively, you could use the win10 decrapifier or debloater scripts.

I very much dislike the amount of crap that is unnecessary in win10 and is running in the background. Apparently its the way forward, but i'm not looking forward to win10 EOL and having to switch to an even more bloated OS. Its unfortunate to have to keep up with these developments, but i understand as its tied to developers focussing on the latests platforms. I do think MS is shooting themselves in the foot with the quick win10 EOL and the push to win11. A lot of computers don't have the hardware requirements for that and their users will be left behind, forced to upgrade. Could mean an opportunity for linux. I know i will switch at win10 EOL