Mention of a defunct ROM site will get you permabanned?!

[RobotMan #08]

How is discussing anything to do with a particular website that was once known for hosting illegal game roms, but was since shut down back in 2018 considered "Promoting Piracy"?

I can literally find pages of examples of this happening, yet it happens on one particular forum that I replied in & you get a permaban with no private messages, warning or even a temporary ban?

Steam Support literally pushes you back to contact them, yet the Developer/Moderator refuses to communicate back through the ban message that was given through the Steam messaging system.

How is this considered fair acceptable treatment?

EDIT: There was NO mention of getting games, HOW to get them or anything of the such, just the validity of the claim on if a website was up or down.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Mention of a defunct ROM site will get you permabanned?!

How is discussing anything to do with a particular website that was once known for hosting illegal game roms, but was since shut down back in 2018 considered "Promoting Piracy"?

I can literally find pages of examples of this happening, yet it happens on one particular forum that I replied in & you get a permaban with no private messages, warning or even a temporary ban?

Steam Support literally pushes you back to contact them, yet the Developer/Moderator refuses to communicate back through the ban message that was given through the Steam messaging system.

How is this considered fair acceptable treatment?

Referencing where to get the ROMs is "Promoting Piracy." While just talking about emulation is not.

Don't post about where you were getting ROMs. Even YouTube creators can have their channels nuked for doing that.

[RobotMan #08]

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Mention of a defunct ROM site will get you permabanned?!

How is discussing anything to do with a particular website that was once known for hosting illegal game roms, but was since shut down back in 2018 considered "Promoting Piracy"?

I can literally find pages of examples of this happening, yet it happens on one particular forum that I replied in & you get a permaban with no private messages, warning or even a temporary ban?

Steam Support literally pushes you back to contact them, yet the Developer/Moderator refuses to communicate back through the ban message that was given through the Steam messaging system.

How is this considered fair acceptable treatment?

Where to get the ROMs is "Promoting Piracy." While just talking about emulation is not.

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I get that part, but the site had that feature removed from it back in 2018 thanks in part to Nintendo. Someone else mentioned the site by name and said it was completely down. I corrected that stating that it still works = Meaning the website is still there and NOT down...yet i get an immediate permaban for it.

If the website was altered to no longer support such a feature, then why is it considered "blacklisted" to even discuss?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Where to get the ROMs is "Promoting Piracy." While just talking about emulation is not.

I get that part, but the site had that feature removed from it back in 2018 thanks in part to Nintendo. Someone else mentioned the site by name and said it was completely down. I corrected that stating that it still works = Meaning the website is still there and NOT down...yet i get an immediate permaban for it.

If the website was altered to no longer support such a feature, then why is it considered "blacklisted" to even discuss?

The part where you mention it is still working "promotes piracy" as an inference.

It is still a known site that was used to host free game downloads.

[RobotMan #08]

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

I get that part, but the site had that feature removed from it back in 2018 thanks in part to Nintendo. Someone else mentioned the site by name and said it was completely down. I corrected that stating that it still works = Meaning the website is still there and NOT down...yet i get an immediate permaban for it.

If the website was altered to no longer support such a feature, then why is it considered "blacklisted" to even discuss?

The part where you mention it is still working "promotes piracy" as an inference.

It is still a known site that was used to host free game downloads.

:qr:

But even as an inference, everything is right there proving proof that the free hosted games were removed & no longer a feature of said website as of 2018. The site has been altered for over 5 years now, so if someone were to say purchase this domain & change it into a completely different webpage (selling furniture for example); based on it's previous reputation...I could be potentially banned for discussing a furniture outlet store?<- Yes, i know this is silly, but still trying to make a point.

News outlets reported all of this with articles, a statement message was released on the website, yet non of that is proof enough for support to understand and with the nature of a permaban being applied without even so much as a warning or temp ban prior to that?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

The part where you mention it is still working "promotes piracy" as an inference.

It is still a known site that was used to host free game downloads.

But even as an inference, everything is right there proving proof that the free hosted games were removed & no longer a feature of said website as of 2018. The site has been altered for over 5 years now, so if someone were to say purchase this domain & change it into a completely different webpage (selling furniture for example); based on it's previous reputation...I could be potentially banned for discussing a furniture outlet store?<- Yes, i know this is silly, but still trying to make a point.

News outlets reported all of this with articles, a statement message was released on the website, yet non of that is proof enough for support to understand and with the nature of a permaban being applied without even so much as a warning or temp ban prior to that?

Yes. Because it still holds that reputation.

Promoting Piracy has never been taken lightly on Steam and always ended up with a ban, even on the first offense.

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Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

How is discussing anything to do with a particular website that was once known for hosting illegal game roms, but was since shut down back in 2018 considered "Promoting Piracy"?

I can literally find pages of examples of this happening, yet it happens on one particular forum that I replied in & you get a permaban with no private messages, warning or even a temporary ban?

Steam Support literally pushes you back to contact them, yet the Developer/Moderator refuses to communicate back through the ban message that was given through the Steam messaging system.

How is this considered fair acceptable treatment?

You don't appear banned here. Would it perhaps be one of the emulator forums? If so you didn't read the sticky obviously. May have also happened if you trolled the forums for the new Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection games.

Also, didn't that site just hide the downloads?

[Crashed]

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

But even as an inference, everything is right there proving proof that the free hosted games were removed & no longer a feature of said website as of 2018. The site has been altered for over 5 years now, so if someone were to say purchase this domain & change it into a completely different webpage (selling furniture for example); based on it's previous reputation...I could be potentially banned for discussing a furniture outlet store?<- Yes, i know this is silly, but still trying to make a point.

News outlets reported all of this with articles, a statement message was released on the website, yet non of that is proof enough for support to understand and with the nature of a permaban being applied without even so much as a warning or temp ban prior to that?

Yes. Because it still holds that reputation.

Promoting Piracy has never been taken lightly on Steam and always ended up with a ban, even on the first offense.

:qr:

Takes days however to clean up some game hubs, where users promote piracy as a means of protesting the DRM.

[Brian9824]

You can also reply to support, explain the nuance and see if they will reverse the ban. But even if site x no longer has pirated content supporting them or praising them can still be condoning or supporting piracy.

I've also never seen Steam permaban over it without multiple prior offenses, was this on a game forum hub or steam forum hub?

[Crashed]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

You can also reply to support, explain the nuance and see if they will reverse the ban. But even if site x no longer has pirated content supporting them or praising them can still be condoning or supporting piracy.

I've also never seen Steam permaban over it without multiple prior offenses, was this on a game forum hub or steam forum hub?

I doubt Valve would reverse a developer ban in this context. I also suspect the site OP is talking about may be the one that hid the downloads but that they are still accessible using the correct scripts.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

You can also reply to support, explain the nuance and see if they will reverse the ban. But even if site x no longer has pirated content supporting them or praising them can still be condoning or supporting piracy.

I've also never seen Steam permaban over it without multiple prior offenses, was this on a game forum hub or steam forum hub?

I doubt Valve would reverse a developer ban in this context. I also suspect the site OP is talking about may be the one that hid the downloads but that they are still accessible using the correct scripts.

Correct.

[RobotMan #08]

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

How is discussing anything to do with a particular website that was once known for hosting illegal game roms, but was since shut down back in 2018 considered "Promoting Piracy"?

I can literally find pages of examples of this happening, yet it happens on one particular forum that I replied in & you get a permaban with no private messages, warning or even a temporary ban?

Steam Support literally pushes you back to contact them, yet the Developer/Moderator refuses to communicate back through the ban message that was given through the Steam messaging system.

How is this considered fair acceptable treatment?

You don't appear banned here. Would it perhaps be one of the emulator forums? If so you didn't read the sticky obviously. May have also happened if you trolled the forums for the new Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection games.

Also, didn't that site just hide the downloads?

Yeah, not banned here but on the Dolphin Emulator literally within 12hrs of when they put their product on Steam. The sticky didn't even get put in place until roughly 36hrs after the permaban was issued. Have no clue about Mega Man being involved in my ban, but at this point nothing surprises me

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

You can also reply to support, explain the nuance and see if they will reverse the ban. But even if site x no longer has pirated content supporting them or praising them can still be condoning or supporting piracy.

I've also never seen Steam permaban over it without multiple prior offenses, was this on a game forum hub or steam forum hub?

This was on the Dolphin Emulator forum, and no prior offences from them within the 12hrs they had gone live...just an outright permaban.

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Yes. Because it still holds that reputation.

Promoting Piracy has never been taken lightly on Steam and always ended up with a ban, even on the first offense.

:qr:

Takes days however to clean up some game hubs, where users promote piracy as a means of protesting the DRM.

Here's an example taken from RetroArch where they have a clear pinned rules & guidelines put in place with rules forbidding the discussion of piracy on their forum and even naming such websites. This is from over 4 years ago, so not just a few days;

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/1643168364657167414/#c3140616601470138411

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

You don't appear banned here. Would it perhaps be one of the emulator forums? If so you didn't read the sticky obviously. May have also happened if you trolled the forums for the new Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection games.

Also, didn't that site just hide the downloads?

Yeah, not banned here but on the Dolphin Emulator literally within 12hrs of when they put their product on Steam. The sticky didn't even get put in place until roughly 36hrs after the permaban was issued. Have no clue about Mega Man being involved in my ban, but at this point nothing surprises me

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

You can also reply to support, explain the nuance and see if they will reverse the ban. But even if site x no longer has pirated content supporting them or praising them can still be condoning or supporting piracy.

I've also never seen Steam permaban over it without multiple prior offenses, was this on a game forum hub or steam forum hub?

This was on the Dolphin Emulator forum, and no prior offences from them within the 12hrs they had gone live...just an outright permaban.

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

Takes days however to clean up some game hubs, where users promote piracy as a means of protesting the DRM.

Here's an example taken from RetroArch where they have a clear pinned rules & guidelines put in place with rules forbidding the discussion of piracy on their forum and even naming such websites. This is from over 4 years ago, so not just a few days;

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/1643168364657167414/#c3140616601470138411

Ahem... https://steamcommunity.com/app/1941680/discussions/0/5243919379682004115/

[RobotMan #08]

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Yeah, not banned here but on the Dolphin Emulator literally within 12hrs of when they put their product on Steam. The sticky didn't even get put in place until roughly 36hrs after the permaban was issued. Have no clue about Mega Man being involved in my ban, but at this point nothing surprises me




This was on the Dolphin Emulator forum, and no prior offences from them within the 12hrs they had gone live...just an outright permaban.





Here's an example taken from RetroArch where they have a clear pinned rules & guidelines put in place with rules forbidding the discussion of piracy on their forum and even naming such websites. This is from over 4 years ago, so not just a few days;

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/1643168364657167414/#c3140616601470138411

Ahem... https://steamcommunity.com/app/1941680/discussions/0/5243919379682004115/

:qr:

I had already mentioned at the first part of my quote;

Ban notification from a Dolphin Emulator developer — Mar 29 @ 12:27am

Forum Rules: Dolphin Emulator [developer] Mar 30 @ 3:18am

It was put in place after they issued the permaban. Closer to 24hrs, not 36...apologies

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Ahem... https://steamcommunity.com/app/1941680/discussions/0/5243919379682004115/

I had already mentioned at the first part of my quote;

Ban notification from a Dolphin Emulator developer — Mar 29 @ 12:27am

Forum Rules: Dolphin Emulator [developer] Mar 30 @ 3:18am

It was put in place after they issued the permaban.

Because you people wouldn't stop talking about it and they had to put up their rules to get you all to stop talking about it.

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Publicado originalmente por RobotMan #08:

Publicado originalmente por cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Ahem... https://steamcommunity.com/app/1941680/discussions/0/5243919379682004115/

:qr:

I had already mentioned at the first part of my quote;

Ban notification from a Dolphin Emulator developer — Mar 29 @ 12:27am

Forum Rules: Dolphin Emulator [developer] Mar 30 @ 3:18am

It was put in place after they issued the permaban.

They probably have to be very paranoid in their moderation so as to not get banned from the Steam Store.