GB against Valve - Though we players still have problems THIS time I am with Valve

[IchWillDenMistNicht]

Players, gaming news today told me about GBs activity because of "dominant position". The truth behind this is to make money. We all know, countries in Europe and money. There are a lot of points I critizise about Valve, giving games back if you have only two hours to test them. You know, the time to make the settings or to check how games work or making charactres, it is too short. But this is not the point, it is only to make money out of a concern. And in the end we will pay all for this. In this case we are all at the same position. If you don´t know waht the heck I am talking about, search for Valve and Vicki Shotbolt.

[Brian9824]

Already a few threads on this, the short of it is the lawfirm that is suing them is a scam lawfirm that had multiple members of it arrested a few years back for widespread faud and was almost shutdown.

The company has a history of suing companies and trying to get them to settle out of court and doesn't win cases or actually accomplish anything.

Your complaints have no merit, stuff like refunds are the same across most of the PC stores and not unique to valve. Feel free to use EPIC for instance with an identical refund policy if you wish while they are still around.

[IchWillDenMistNicht]

Thanks, brian. Do you think they will get through with it? I am not very close to this case, getting informations from real britains already knowing what´s going on are very welcome.

[Zefar]

The refund tool is not a demo feature.

If Valve where to go with EU laws they could deny refund the moment the customer started the download.
Because it stated that the moment you download a single byte of it you resign your right to a refund.

[Brian9824]

IchWillDenMistNicht eredeti hozzászólása:

Thanks, brian. Do you think they will get through with it? I am not very close to this case, getting informations from real britains already knowing what´s going on are very welcome.

Its highly unlikely, they have a poor grasp of basic logic and no evidence supports their claims. The odds of the lawsuit being successful are very very very low

[Soupy Doorman]

If it takes you two hours to set up the game.... well I don't know what to say.

I think two hours is perfectly good.

I think this Lawsuit is bogus.

[PocketYoda]

Zefar eredeti hozzászólása:

The refund tool is not a demo feature.

If Valve where to go with EU laws they could deny refund the moment the customer started the download.
Because it stated that the moment you download a single byte of it you resign your right to a refund.

That is illegal in Australia.

Soupy Doorman eredeti hozzászólása:

If it takes you two hours to set up the game.... well I don't know what to say.

I think two hours is perfectly good.

I think this Lawsuit is bogus.

Caching can take upwards of two hours on some PCs

[Mad Scientist]

PocketYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

Zefar eredeti hozzászólása:

The refund tool is not a demo feature.

If Valve where to go with EU laws they could deny refund the moment the customer started the download.
Because it stated that the moment you download a single byte of it you resign your right to a refund.

That is illegal in Australia.

Soupy Doorman eredeti hozzászólása:

If it takes you two hours to set up the game.... well I don't know what to say.

I think two hours is perfectly good.

I think this Lawsuit is bogus.

Caching can take upwards of two hours on some PCs

Even people with moderate speed hdds can load into a big rust server in 5-20 minutes, I doubt caching has any relevance whatsoever. If people are taking 2 hours for settings, their pc is either likely incapable of running it, the user has no idea what they're doing, or they're otherwise wasting time that could be spent making sure the game runs properly.

Many games have auto detection for hardware as well to optimize it well enough from the specs.

[Brian9824]

PocketYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

That is illegal in Australia.

It is not, hence why the Australian courts sided with Valve on the refunds they denied and why Australia has the same refund rules as everyone else on steam.

[PocketYoda]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

PocketYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

That is illegal in Australia.

It is not, hence why the Australian courts sided with Valve on the refunds they denied and why Australia has the same refund rules as everyone else on steam.

Its illegal to take away peoples right to a refund as soon as they download.

Mad Scientist eredeti hozzászólása:

PocketYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

That is illegal in Australia.

Caching can take upwards of two hours on some PCs

Even people with moderate speed hdds can load into a big rust server in 5-20 minutes, I doubt caching has any relevance whatsoever. If people are taking 2 hours for settings, their pc is either likely incapable of running it, the user has no idea what they're doing, or they're otherwise wasting time that could be spent making sure the game runs properly.

Many games have auto detection for hardware as well to optimize it well enough from the specs.

Horizon Zero Dawn caching took more than two hours on my PC at release.. Uncharted came close.

[xBCxRangers]

There will be many more lawsuits against Valve, in the coming future. We didn't even get to the States yet, and even individual states lol.

[Boblin the Goblin]

PocketYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

It is not, hence why the Australian courts sided with Valve on the refunds they denied and why Australia has the same refund rules as everyone else on steam.

Its illegal to take away peoples right to a refund as soon as they download.

Is that why the courts sided with Valve on denying the refunds in the ACCC lawsuit?

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

There will be many more lawsuits against Valve, in the coming future. We didn't even get to the States yet, and even individual states lol.

Sure there will. Ambulance chasers like to make a quick buck.

Too bad it won't turn out the way you want.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

There will be many more lawsuits against Valve, in the coming future. We didn't even get to the States yet, and even individual states lol.

Sure there will. Ambulance chasers like to make a quick buck.

Too bad it won't turn out the way you want.

It takes a bit more than ambulance chasers to take on a billion dollar company. And that's before the regulators get wind, which they inevitably will.

They know what's going on with Mr Newell, quiet all the time, in the shadows. Before long, they're gonna PAY up, if, they are not proactive and get their act straight.

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Sure there will. Ambulance chasers like to make a quick buck.

Too bad it won't turn out the way you want.

It takes a bit more than ambulance chasers to take on a billion dollar company. And that's before the regulators get wind, which they inevitably will.

They know what's going on with Mr Newell, quiet all the time, in the shadows. Before long, they're gonna PAY up, if, they are not proactive and get their act straight.

Ah yes, these vague 'regulators'.

Too bad their too busy with Microsoft and Xbox for committing actual crimes. Weird huh?

[Brian9824]

PocketYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

Its illegal to take away peoples right to a refund as soon as they download.

It is, but Valve doesn't do that. They retain the right to refund for 2 weeks or 2 hours played, not as soon as they download.

Hence why the judge in the case sided with Valve against

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

It takes a bit more than ambulance chasers to take on a billion dollar company. And that's before the regulators get wind, which they inevitably will.

You really need to do some basic research and learn how the law works as you keep getting confused.

Its incredibly easy to sue large companies, and there is a huge legal issue with companies that sue with no intent of ever proceeding to court to try to get a settlement. Even if you know you will win many companies will settle without any acknowledgement of guilt because its CHEAPER then litigating which is what these companies rely on.

There are few penalties and few risk to them except some of their staffs time. So its a perfect scenario for the exact opposite of what you claim.

Like its been repeatedly pointed out this company suing them is well known for it and has numerous lawsuits that have all been unsucessful on the subject and a sordid history of repeatedly filing frivilous lawsuits and engaging in bad faith claims.

its so bad for them that multiple members of the law firm staff were arrested and went to jail over it creating a massive scandal.