VALVE FACES $840 MILLION STEAM LAWSUIT IN UK COURT

[RANGER]

The news says:
"In the United Kingdom, it has been revealed that Valve is facing a £656 million ($840 million) lawsuit, with accusations surfacing that the tech titan is using Steam to ‘take advantage of UK gamers’. At the heart of the suit is the claim that Valve has been ‘rigging the market’ for years, shutting out competition and holding a monopoly over the PC gaming market."

I, for one, appreciate what Steam is offering and I like them holding a monopoly over the PC gaming market. Why would I have to use 10 different platforms for the games I want to play?

We need to defend Steam at all costs; Epic Games offers hundreds of thousands of dollars to game developers just to make them release their game on Epic Games only. I have never heard of Steam doing that. Competition is good and all, but I feel like it is good for gamers to have Steam as we do today. It is like saying YouTube holds a monopoly over Dailymotion; the reason you use YouTube is because it is simply better than its alternatives. It applies the same with Steam too; Steam is far more sophisticated than any of its alternatives.

I love Steam

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango původně napsal:

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well accordingst to others opinions, you can't sue at "all", being we're told we signed a TOS, that they apparently think, were written by our states, governments and countries. I've heard it all here.

All nonsense.

The fact of it is, you are correct, anyone can sue, they are, the TOS mean nothing but a "cover their butt document", for when they are sued. That's all it is.

It does not mean it's legal. It does mean you signed your life away. It does mean they have the "right", to do anything, we disagree with from a legal standpoint.

They will be held to account, either by having to hire lawyers to fight this stuff. To gain the ire of our regulatory bodies, and if smart, correct their actions, being these suits are just not going away.

No one said you couldn't sue at all, you just can't sue without going through the proper steps first.

You're also still assuming that a lawsuit being filed by a private firm(especially one that literally has no winning history) means Valve is guilty. It's very ironic.

No, it does not mean they're guilty, though when ten people tell you you're drunk, you may want to lie down. And given this suit very similar as to what's happening here, they may see blood in the water. Who knows.

What we do know, is Valve loses lawsuits, meaning, they were wrong. Valve seems in court all the time, meaning, they will be wrong, again.

And so we just have to do ourselves a favor and let REAL lawyers, deal with the issue (s).

[Brian9824]

SlowMango původně napsal:

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well accordingst to others opinions, you can't sue at "all", being we're told we signed a TOS, that they apparently think, were written by our states, governments and countries. I've heard it all here.

All nonsense.

The fact of it is, you are correct, anyone can sue, they are, the TOS mean nothing but a "cover their butt document", for when they are sued. That's all it is.

It does not mean it's legal. It does mean you signed your life away. It does mean they have the "right", to do anything, we disagree with from a legal standpoint.

They will be held to account, either by having to hire lawyers to fight this stuff. To gain the ire of our regulatory bodies, and if smart, correct their actions, being these suits are just not going away.

No one said you couldn't sue at all, you just can't sue without going through the proper steps first.

You're also still assuming that a lawsuit being filed by a private firm(especially one that literally has no winning history) means Valve is guilty. It's very ironic.

Every company gets sued if they are successful, i know Valve unlike Microsoft tens to win most of them, or at most pays a tiny fine over some administrative thing.

I mean I know last month Microsoft lost a $250 million lawsuit, today Microsoft is being sued again by yet another company, microsoft was also sued last month, etc

I know Microsoft has over 100 active lawsuits against them right now just from the last year or two. So its always funny to see users who attack Steam over 1 lawsuit with little chance of succeeding but constantly praising microsoft who racks up hundreds of lawsuits add loses most of them...

[nullable]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well accordingst to others opinions, you can't sue at "all", being we're told we signed a TOS, that they apparently think, were written by our states, governments and countries. I've heard it all here.

All nonsense.

That's nice. Why do I care about what other know-nothings have blabbed at you?

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

The fact of it is, you are correct, anyone can sue, they are, the TOS mean nothing but a "cover their butt document", for when they are sued. That's all it is.

It does not mean it's legal. It does mean you signed your life away. It does mean they have the "right", to do anything, we disagree with from a legal standpoint.

Sure, people love to pretend EULA's and ToS's are fiction when it's convenient. They can be unenforceable, but not always, not usually, not by default. Even if some aspect of a ToS isn't enforceable it doesn't mean it's all unenforceable.

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

They will be held to account, either by having to hire lawyers to fight this stuff. To gain the ire of our regulatory bodies, and if smart, correct their actions, being these suits are just not going away.

Large enough companies have their own legal departments and with enough customers someone is always going to be suing. I mean I guess a guy like you imagines anything you feel inconveniences the party you don't like is some kind of victory. The news of a large scary sounding lawsuit must have you drinking champagne because you don't understand for Valve, it's just Thursday and it doesn't really change anything for them.

[Brian9824]

nullable původně napsal:

Large enough companies have their own legal departments and with enough customers someone is always going to be suing.

Yep, steam has a few lawsuits pending, Microsoft has well over 100+. Its not unusual at all when your a large company doing business internationally. Most of Steam's lawsuits in the past have
been small things that are the result of very specific requirements from various countries that resulted in minor fines.

Unlike lawsuits from companies like Microsoft and EPIC that set world records for the largest fines in history, or led to the company being broken up

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

SlowMango původně napsal:

No one said you couldn't sue at all, you just can't sue without going through the proper steps first.

You're also still assuming that a lawsuit being filed by a private firm(especially one that literally has no winning history) means Valve is guilty. It's very ironic.

No, it does not mean they're guilty, though when ten people tell you you're drunk, you may want to lie down. And given this suit very similar as to what's happening here, they may see blood in the water. Who knows.

What we do know, is Valve loses lawsuits, meaning, they were wrong. Valve seems in court all the time, meaning, they will be wrong, again.

And so we just have to do ourselves a favor and let REAL lawyers, deal with the issue (s).

A suit being similar doesn't mean it has merit. It was already shown that the firm in the UK has ties to the current Wolfire case in the US. If anything, that shows a very big conflict of interest and an attempt to just throw whatever they can to make Valve fight on multiple fronts.

Valve has lost 2 lawsuits. One against the ACCC(which was only ruled against them in one of the five claims) and one against the European Commission. They have not lost any against private firms.

They actually haven't been sued many times for how long they've existed. But, I actually look into things and don't just read headlines so that may be why I'm able to know this information.

[xBCxRangers]

nullable původně napsal:

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well accordingst to others opinions, you can't sue at "all", being we're told we signed a TOS, that they apparently think, were written by our states, governments and countries. I've heard it all here.

All nonsense.

That's nice. Why do I care about what other know-nothings have blabbed at you?

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

The fact of it is, you are correct, anyone can sue, they are, the TOS mean nothing but a "cover their butt document", for when they are sued. That's all it is.

It does not mean it's legal. It does mean you signed your life away. It does mean they have the "right", to do anything, we disagree with from a legal standpoint.

Sure, people love to pretend EULA's and ToS's are fiction when it's convenient. They can be unenforceable, but not always, not usually, not by default. Even if some aspect of a ToS isn't enforceable it doesn't mean it's all unenforceable.

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

They will be held to account, either by having to hire lawyers to fight this stuff. To gain the ire of our regulatory bodies, and if smart, correct their actions, being these suits are just not going away.

Large enough companies have their own legal departments and with enough customers someone is always going to be suing. I mean I guess a guy like you imagines anything you feel inconveniences the party you don't like is some kind of victory. The news of a large scary sounding lawsuit must have you drinking champagne because you don't understand for Valve, it's just Thursday.

Well going to your very last portion, this is not MS, and a trillion dollar company. But a very small one, and is vulnerable to many things, including these suits. Suits close to a billion dollars, is like MS pay a parking ticket. Not here.

And so, if you want your money going to fight all these lawsuits, that is up to you. The money they spend fighting this stuff, can be put to making this a much better service, and likely, not having to be sued as much if it were.

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well going to your very last portion, this is not MS, and a trillion dollar company.

Microsoft has paid over 1.5 TRILLION dollars in fines since 2000 yet you don't seem to have any issue giving your money to them..... Steam has paid probably under 100 million in lawsuits and fines in that same time period so they are fine. The company is asking for an outrageous amount and thats not what they will get.

You can sue someone for a trillion dollars, it doesnt mean you get it even if you win the case

[MrSteel300]

hell no this will put steam in it's place and actually respect the customers instead of treating them like ♥♥♥♥, also less money for moderation the better, no one wants these guys here anymore

[Zefar]

MrSteel300 původně napsal:

hell no this will put steam in it's place and actually respect the customers instead of treating them like ♥♥♥♥, also less money for moderation the better, no one wants these guys here anymore

Maybe read up on the subject because you're so far off on what this is about it's hilarious.

[mrunuick]

MrSteel300 původně napsal:

hell no this will put steam in it's place and actually respect the customers instead of treating them like ♥♥♥♥, also less money for moderation the better, no one wants these guys here anymore

No it won't. This lawsuit, like Wolfire's, will just go nowhere. And saying nobody wants moderation here is also not true, as I and several others miss when the volunteer mods were able to do something.

[Ben Lubar]

RANGER původně napsal:

I, for one, appreciate what Steam is offering and I like them holding a monopoly over the PC gaming market. Why would I have to use 10 different platforms for the games I want to play?

The fact that you're choosing Steam over other reasonably viable options means it is not a monopoly.

[nullable]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well going to your very last portion, this is not MS, and a trillion dollar company. But a very small one, and is vulnerable to many things, including these suits. Suits close to a billion dollars, is like MS pay a parking ticket. Not here.

Valve is a smallish company compared to MS, but Valve still generates billions in revenue. At any rate how much money does Valve need to make before you give up on your FUD tactics? Not to mention someone suing for 840 million dollars catches big headlines but, there's lots of if's. If the plaintiff wins. If the court decides to grant all the damages asked for. If there isn't an out of court settlement for significantly less. Etc.

Let's talk when Valve loses an 840 million dollar lawsuit and has to pay 840 million in damages. Until then we're still in the zero dollar range being a plausible outcome.

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

And so, if you want your money going to fight all these lawsuits, that is up to you. The money they spend fighting this stuff, can be put to making this a much better service, and likely, not having to be sued as much if it were.

It's not my money. This isn't like complaining about how my taxes are being used. I took my money and bought a game from a store. After that it's Valve's money. And I have no business with how Valve spends their money.

And as mentioned, large companies with millions of customers are always being sued. Why is Valve different or special in that regard?

Not to mention you're speaking in vagueries. You have no idea how many lawsuits Valve has going, how much it costs, if it's an abnormal or excessive amount for a company of their size, customer base, and revenue, or what would be different if Valve were somehow able to please everyone (despite that being impossible). Besides it's not like if Valve's lawyers had less to do they'd pitch in with developing the platform...

[xBCxRangers]

nullable původně napsal:

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well going to your very last portion, this is not MS, and a trillion dollar company. But a very small one, and is vulnerable to many things, including these suits. Suits close to a billion dollars, is like MS pay a parking ticket. Not here.

Valve is a smallish company compared to MS, but Valve still generates billions in revenue. At any rate how much money does Valve need to make before you give up on your FUD tactics? Not to mention someone suing for 840 million dollars catches big headlines but, there's lots of if's. If the plaintiff wins. If the court decides to grant all the damages asked for. If there isn't an out of court settlement for significantly less. Etc.

Let's talk when Valve loses an 840 million dollar lawsuit and has to pay 840 million in damages. Until then we're still in the zero dollar range being a plausible outcome.

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

And so, if you want your money going to fight all these lawsuits, that is up to you. The money they spend fighting this stuff, can be put to making this a much better service, and likely, not having to be sued as much if it were.

It's not my money. This isn't like complaining about how my taxes are being used. I took my money and bought a game from a store. After that it's Valve's money. And I have no business with how Valve spends their money.

And as mentioned, large companies with millions of customers are always being sued. Why is Valve different or special in that regard?

Not to mention you're speaking in vagueries. You have no idea how many lawsuits Valve has going, how much it costs, if it's an abnormal or excessive amount for a company of their size, customer base, and revenue, or what would be different if Valve were somehow able to please everyone (despite that being impossible). Besides it's not like if Valve's lawyers had less to do they'd pitch in with developing the platform...

Well, i think we're agreeing on the substance. I think you are correct to say, we do not know how many times Valve is or was sued. We know the big cases, not the ones that end up in small claims.

And so you are correct there imo.

You are also correct to say, none us know, exactly how much Steam can absorb, or relatively, anything as far as this company.

In fact, there's even questions right now, as to who even runs it. Valve has been a company in the shadows for a very long time.

We do not know if there's teeth in regards to the MS acquisition. We do not now know, many known unknowns.

And given that, we're all only guessing, and i think that's very important for folks to understand, from know it all's, who seem to tell us everything is peachy over at Gabeland. Or for folks who may have inquiries.

One thing that IS certain, is Steam is again being sued. Beyond that, we're all guessing.

[kitt]

one of the most stupid lawsuits in history..

they clearly never bothered to look into their claims..

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

One thing that IS certain, is Steam is again being sued. Beyond that, we're all guessing.

You act like steam being sued is newsworthy or any sign of them being wrong. I mean Microsoft was sued today and has 100+ active lawsuits against them atm. Being sued comes with the territory when your a large company like Valve or Microsoft.