Why was the UI allowed to release like this?

[Zero]

The back button is a lottery on whether it will simply do nothing, back all the way to the beginning, or occasionally function properly. The memory usage of the new client is unacceptably high. The UI has clear visual bugs.

WE ARE NOT BETA TESTERS. THAT IS WHAT YOUR BETA BRANCH IS FOR. I do not care if you had enough testers or not. You do not push a public release of a client update that does not function properly until you work out THE BUGS THAT WERE REPORTED ON BETA BUT IGNORED.

[cyäegha]

Zefar a écrit :

It's rather amazing how there is barely 50-100 ish people having issues.

given that only a small fraction of the userbase actively participates in forum discussions, and only a small fraction of that proactively create topics pertaining to the issue, trying to correlate the number of users experiencing problems with the UI with the total number of users engaging in discussion or otherwise vocally complaining about it is inherently fallacious

Zefar a écrit :

It's a vocal minority.

it could just as easily be a silent majority, one where the vast majority of users just simply don't care enough about the issues to loudly complain about them where you can see it
hell, there are other platforms on the world-wide-web where people can ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan about the state of the new UI other than here: are we not accounting for them either?

[RiO]

cyäegha a écrit :

Zefar a écrit :

It's rather amazing how there is barely 50-100 ish people having issues.

given that only a small fraction of the userbase actively participates in forum discussions, and only a small fraction of that proactively create topics pertaining to the issue, trying to correlate the number of users experiencing problems with the UI with the total number of users engaging in discussion or otherwise vocally complaining about it is inherently fallacious

Zefar a écrit :

It's a vocal minority.

it could just as easily be a silent majority, one where the vast majority of users just simply don't care enough about the issues to loudly complain about them where you can see it
hell, there are other platforms on the world-wide-web where people can ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan about the state of the new UI other than here: are we not accounting for them either?

You could also reverse the line of reasoning:

There's 50-100 people complaining about issues? Fine.
There's maybe 3-4 people complaining those issues aren't issues.

So which group's message is more significant?
Who gets to decide that?

[Jack Schitt]

Valve decides what they do with Steam. Discussions seem to being getting ignored.

[Knightspace]

What, you didn't realize that Valve doesn't give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about you or anyone else here?

[Leopardi]

Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} a écrit :

Fearagen a écrit :

I guess steam updates are like most game developers now, rush it and fix it later approach.

nah it was in beta for 6 weeks, the folks tested it and said it was good

Idiots testing it then, my PC rebooted immediately in my first game of Mordhau, because this thing fails with memory usage.

[[Thee] Meritorious One]

Fearagen a écrit :

Astraea Kisaragi a écrit :

I don't mind that much the new look - altough the older one was more comfortable to look at for me because I wear glasses since elementary.
The main problem it that this is worse in everything - overcomplexed unusable screenshot manager, achievement listing is a mess - many things don't work properly (back button work on every third click and throws me to a way back) and is a memory hog which performance could be better utilized for my games.
The whole thing is like designed by someone who never used Steam in his life.

It feels like it was designed by someone with zero coding experience as we have had back and foward page buttons figured out a long time ago about when the first internet browser released and yet they somehow screwed it up so it malfunctions like crazy.

Designed by someone with little UX experience. Implemented by folks who have little development experience using the frameworks involved, whatever they are. I am not a web developer, and never want to be. Web development and troubleshooting is still in the stone age compared to IDE's like visual studio. This is exactly the reason MS is trying to get Blazor off the ground.

[Jack Schitt]

The backend of the client is Chromium based, I think. The Steam Browser is a chromium project is why I assume the client is also chromium. Here's info to glance at about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)

https://www.chromium.org/chromium-projects/

[indio68]

the new notification include cfhat message ??like the old one?

[Crazy Tiger]

indio68 a écrit :

the new notification include cfhat message ??like the old one?

No.

[Odra]

RiO a écrit :

Odra a écrit :

Besides, what is the worst than can happen?

Technically?
Class action lawsuits for failing to supply a product that conforms to contract.

If something requires legal action to be addressed then legal action should be taken, I agree with that.

But the Class action lawsuit response bandied about has lost all meaning, once it was a "boy who cried wolf" situation, now its even less than that and is more likely to draw ridicule.

I might be jaded by years of seeing people proclaiming that they will talk to their attorneys or coyly stating how Valve might get in trouble if someone were to do something.

End of the day, money talks.

If the money continues to flow consistently, why would a group of dissatisfied individuals matter?

Maybe they are paying customers, but are they part of the majority which goes on with their daily routine not even bothering to pay attention to said changes? Because if that is the case then, as harsh as it may sound, their opinions may hold less value.

[Isuzuyori]

Other than liking the new UI or not, which is something subjective, whoever thought that changing the client to use more resources, or to release it in an unoptimized state, was okay should be fired. I know that I'm being harsh, but that's the truth. Considering that it needs to keep running while we play, it should do just the most basic things and consume as little resources as possible. It doesn't matter if our computers are better than 10 years ago, it's unacceptable to use more than needed just to add fluff that adds nothing positive to the main reason the client is running: play the games that we bought.

And if you're going to do this, at least keep an alternate client for those of us that don't care about the new "features", and also for those with less powerful systems. Call it Steam Lite, for all I care, but just give us a choice of how much we let you clog our computers! And test and debug the client properly, of course!

This is inexcusable.

[Jack Schitt]

The OP of this topic has been fixed. We do have the option of using the old UI if we want to. Follow these instructions to use the previous UI.

I'm using the old UI because the bold, underlined, blue text in Large Mode's main navigation bugs me. Apply an effect to the active link, sure! That's a good idea. But make it look nice. The bold, blue, underline is ugly and it doesn't look modern. The way the previous active link in that menu went bold and bright white without the underline was much more appealing.

[Fearagen]

Jack Schitt a écrit :

The OP of this topic has been fixed. We do have the option of using the old UI if we want to. Follow these instructions to use the previous UI.

I'm using the old UI because the bold, underlined, blue text in Large Mode's main navigation bugs me. Apply an effect to the active link, sure! That's a good idea. But make it look nice. The bold, blue, underline is ugly and it doesn't look modern. The way the previous active link in that menu went bold and bright white without the underline was much more appealing.

I wonder how long until valve eventually makes that option useless. They did the same for CSGO's old UI. You used to be able to go back to the old CSGO interface/hud look until they pushed an update to block the commands.

[Cryptic]

Zero a écrit :

The back button is a lottery on whether it will simply do nothing, back all the way to the beginning, or occasionally function properly. The memory usage of the new client is unacceptably high. The UI has clear visual bugs.

WE ARE NOT BETA TESTERS. THAT IS WHAT YOUR BETA BRANCH IS FOR. I do not care if you had enough testers or not. You do not push a public release of a client update that does not function properly until you work out THE BUGS THAT WERE REPORTED ON BETA BUT IGNORED.

Because it was rushed and whoever was in charge clearly didn't care that it had so many issues.

[Jack Schitt]

Fearagen a écrit :

Jack Schitt a écrit :

The OP of this topic has been fixed. We do have the option of using the old UI if we want to. Follow these instructions to use the previous UI.

I'm using the old UI because the bold, underlined, blue text in Large Mode's main navigation bugs me. Apply an effect to the active link, sure! That's a good idea. But make it look nice. The bold, blue, underline is ugly and it doesn't look modern. The way the previous active link in that menu went bold and bright white without the underline was much more appealing.

I wonder how long until valve eventually makes that option useless. They did the same for CSGO's old UI. You used to be able to go back to the old CSGO interface/hud look until they pushed an update to block the commands.

My guess: Not long. They'll disable the -vgui switch when the new UI is stable. They did the same thing they're doing now when they made the Library UI the way it still is. This update makes it easier for them to push sales and updates through to all of their gadgets. It's going to make them more money and it decreases their work load. More money less work wins.