Rain 2023 年 6 月 15 日 下午 8:29
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competition from epic games is forcing valve to update its client and add new features
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NeuroticSlav 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 4:42 
EGS is not competition lmao, EGS has no features, hence there is no reason for Valve to do anything, they simply do it because they want to.
FOXDUDE69 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 5:53 
引用自 Crix
I don't see anything wrong with Epic games or Steam. It's just another platform to buy games. They've improved a lot lately though.

This is a healthy attitude to have.

Epic has things that Steam lacks and vice-versa.

I don't understand gamers who elect to have an open platform like PC as their main gaming platform only to then lock themselves to one service only.

Imagine saying no to a free game a week out of a sense of loyalty to some other company, lol.

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
Loss leader:

a product sold at a loss to attract customers

Giving away games and selling them are two different games.

If a game is given away, it is by definition not being sold.

The product they're actually selling is Fortnite, and since they make billions and billions of dollars a year in profit from that, I doubt they are selling those cosmetics at a loss.

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引用自 Mad Scientist
I wonder how many of those accounts have actually purchased something, compared to the ones just grabbing the free games.
same thing can be said for steam tbh

Indeed, If you play Dota 2 or CSGO actively, you'll run into a unending sea of profiles that have barely anything besides those 2 games.
最後修改者:FOXDUDE69; 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 5:53
Steve Magal 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 6:42 
引用自 Alex
引用自 Crix
I don't see anything wrong with Epic games or Steam. It's just another platform to buy games. They've improved a lot lately though.
except for the fact they are still stealing personal data
and so is steam
PocketYoda 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 6:47 
Epic games now is more light weight and works better than steam.
AlexTheRedScout 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 6:54 
引用自 Meat
引用自 Alex
except for the fact they are still stealing personal data
and so is steam
the sad fact is your so wrong and you never believe the difference
PocketYoda 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 6:55 
引用自 Alex
引用自 Meat
and so is steam
the sad fact is your so wrong and you never believe the difference
It literally say steam steals data in the steam tos..
Tito Shivan 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 6:59 
引用自 PocketYoda
It literally say steam steals data in the steam tos..
Can you please point to where?
PocketYoda 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 7:02 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 PocketYoda
It literally say steam steals data in the steam tos..
Can you please point to where?
I already did in another thread..
https://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/

Valve does not sell Personal Data. However, we may share or provide access to each of the categories of Personal Data we collect as necessary for the following business purposes.

5.1 Valve and its subsidiaries may share your Personal Data with each other and use it to the degree necessary to achieve the purposes listed in section 2 above. In the event of a reorganization, sale or merger we may transfer Personal Data to the relevant third party subject to applicable laws.

5.2 We may also share your Personal Data with our third party service providers that provide customer support services in connection with goods, Content and Services distributed via Steam. Your Personal Data will be used in accordance with this Privacy Policy and only as far as this is necessary for performing customer support services.

5.3 In accordance with internet standards, we may also share certain information (including your IP address and the identification of Steam content you wish to access) with our third party network providers that provide content delivery network services and game server services in connection with Steam. Our content delivery network providers enable the delivery of digital content you have requested, e.g. when using Steam, by using a system of distributed servers that deliver the content to you, based on your geographic location.

5.4 We make certain data related to your Steam User Account available to other players and our partners through the Steamworks API. This information can be accessed by anyone by querying your Steam ID. At a minimum, the public persona name you have chosen to represent you on Steam and your Avatar picture are accessible this way, as well as whether you have received a ban for cheating in a multiplayer game. The accessibility of any additional info about you can be controlled through your Steam Community user profile page; data publicly available on your profile page can be accessed automatically through the Steamworks API. In addition to the publicly available information, game developers and publishers have access to certain information from the Steamworks API directly relating to the users of the games they operate. This information includes as a minimum your ownership of the game in question. Depending on which Steamworks services are implemented in the game it may also include leaderboard information, your progress in the game, achievements you have completed, your multiplayer game matchmaking information, in-game items and other information needed to operate the game and provide support for it. For more information on what Steamworks services a specific game has implemented, please review its store page.
While we do not knowingly share Personally Identifying Information about you through the Steamworks API such as your real name or your email address, any information you share about yourself on your public Steam Profile can be accessed through the Steamworks API, including information that may make you identifiable.
最後修改者:PocketYoda; 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 7:05
FOXDUDE69 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 7:27 
引用自 Alex
cope harder steam is winning over epic

Steam has the advantage of over a decade's headstart, if it wasn't "winning", it would have to be a completely abysmal service, which it isn't.

That advantage doesn't last forever, tho. And newer generations of PC gamers don't share the same sense of loyalty towards steam.
NeuroticSlav 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 8:00 
引用自 FOXDUDE69
引用自 Alex
cope harder steam is winning over epic

Steam has the advantage of over a decade's headstart, if it wasn't "winning", it would have to be a completely abysmal service, which it isn't.

That advantage doesn't last forever, tho. And newer generations of PC gamers don't share the same sense of loyalty towards steam.
Lmao mental gymnastics. You mean abysmal service like epic?Its only redeeming quality are free games for social cases.
FOXDUDE69 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 8:55 
引用自 Hitsuran
引用自 FOXDUDE69

Steam has the advantage of over a decade's headstart, if it wasn't "winning", it would have to be a completely abysmal service, which it isn't.

That advantage doesn't last forever, tho. And newer generations of PC gamers don't share the same sense of loyalty towards steam.
Lmao mental gymnastics. You mean abysmal service like epic?Its only redeeming quality are free games for social cases.

The Epic Games Store is not perfect but neither is Steam.

There are five aspects of the Epic Games Store that are objectively superior to Steam.

First and most importantly there are Child Accounts. Allowing parents to play online games with their children. Steam doesn't allow children bellow 13 to have Steam Accounts, and as we've seen on another thread on that subject and according to a screenshot from Steam Support, Valve reserves the right to shut down any account they suspect might belong to someone under 13.

I don't have to tell you that most dads these days are gamerdads, and kids start gaming at age 3 or 4. My kids are already playing games with me on EGS (and collecting free games), a decade before they are even allowed to have an account on Steam.

Secondly, EGS (and GOG) supports more currencies, such as the Scandinavian and Egyptian currencies (among others) that Steam does not. This means every purchase on Steam will cost the customer more than it needs to, as your bank will take a conversion fee included in the amount deducted from your bank account.

Thirdly, every purchase on Epic gives you 5% cashback (also works on fortnite) as store credit, this is infinitely better than Steam Points because you can't buy games with Steam Points.

Forth, Epic also funds indie devs developing in UE through Epic MegaGrants, in addition to this, the exclusivity deals that Steam users complain about so much result on more money on the hands of developers and this translates into better games, such as Satisfactory whose developers took the deal to be able to deliver a better product to everyone... Unfortunately some Steam users decided to harass the devs on social media for their decision regardless of the fact that both Steam users and Epic games users would eventually get a superior product because of that exclusivity deal.

Fifth, is their revenue split which can make a tremendous difference for indie devs, and can sometimes directly benefit the user as well as the difference can already be noticed in the base prices of many indie games. I've seen many indie games go remarkably cheaper on EGS compared to Steam. Take a look for yourself in your native currency! :)

Of course Steam also has great set of features (and a lot of fluff) but I'm very glad they finally have some competition with teeth. I really like GOG but they put Cyberpunk on Steam, and while that is seen as consumer friendly for some reason, it shows that they already have thrown in the towel and have no intentions to one day compete with Steam, they are glad remaining a niche platform (and splitting a large chunk of their revenue for a high profile game with Valve for no real good reason).

Anyway, the next few years will be interesting.
Komarimaru 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 9:04 
Well, I keep looking, and can't find a game that's cheaper retail on EGS than on Steam, even indie games.

But if there are games like that, would counter what others have said on how Steam supposedly controls the pricing outside of Steam's Market.
Brian9824 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 9:06 
引用自 Komarimaru
Well, I keep looking, and can't find a game that's cheaper retail on EGS than on Steam, even indie games.

But if there are games like that, would counter what others have said on how Steam supposedly controls the pricing outside of Steam's Market.

Yeah its funny seeing how EPIC got caught in their lies. They loved to claim that they were doing gamers a favor and by having a lower commission it would result in lower prices for us. At best they were naive, at worse they flat out knew it was false.

The irony is they've backed themselves into the corner now with their losses and they have to make drastic changes as they can't sustain losing billions indefinitely.
Tito Shivan 2023 年 8 月 3 日 上午 10:21 
引用自 PocketYoda
引用自 Tito Shivan
Can you please point to where?
I already did in another thread..
Nowhere there says they steal data.
Do you really understand what it says in the section you've quoted? I don't think you fully do.

引用自 FOXDUDE69
The Epic Games Store is not perfect but neither is Steam.
Most important: This isn't a football match.
NeuroticSlav 2023 年 8 月 3 日 下午 12:39 
引用自 FOXDUDE69
引用自 Hitsuran
Lmao mental gymnastics. You mean abysmal service like epic?Its only redeeming quality are free games for social cases.

The Epic Games Store is not perfect but neither is Steam.

There are five aspects of the Epic Games Store that are objectively superior to Steam.

First and most importantly there are Child Accounts. Allowing parents to play online games with their children. Steam doesn't allow children bellow 13 to have Steam Accounts, and as we've seen on another thread on that subject and according to a screenshot from Steam Support, Valve reserves the right to shut down any account they suspect might belong to someone under 13.

I don't have to tell you that most dads these days are gamerdads, and kids start gaming at age 3 or 4. My kids are already playing games with me on EGS (and collecting free games), a decade before they are even allowed to have an account on Steam.

Secondly, EGS (and GOG) supports more currencies, such as the Scandinavian and Egyptian currencies (among others) that Steam does not. This means every purchase on Steam will cost the customer more than it needs to, as your bank will take a conversion fee included in the amount deducted from your bank account.

Thirdly, every purchase on Epic gives you 5% cashback (also works on fortnite) as store credit, this is infinitely better than Steam Points because you can't buy games with Steam Points.

Forth, Epic also funds indie devs developing in UE through Epic MegaGrants, in addition to this, the exclusivity deals that Steam users complain about so much result on more money on the hands of developers and this translates into better games, such as Satisfactory whose developers took the deal to be able to deliver a better product to everyone... Unfortunately some Steam users decided to harass the devs on social media for their decision regardless of the fact that both Steam users and Epic games users would eventually get a superior product because of that exclusivity deal.


Fifth, is their revenue split which can make a tremendous difference for indie devs, and can sometimes directly benefit the user as well as the difference can already be noticed in the base prices of many indie games. I've seen many indie games go remarkably cheaper on EGS compared to Steam. Take a look for yourself in your native currency! :)

Of course Steam also has great set of features (and a lot of fluff) but I'm very glad they finally have some competition with teeth. I really like GOG but they put Cyberpunk on Steam, and while that is seen as consumer friendly for some reason, it shows that they already have thrown in the towel and have no intentions to one day compete with Steam, they are glad remaining a niche platform (and splitting a large chunk of their revenue for a high profile game with Valve for no real good reason).

Anyway, the next few years will be interesting.

5% is meh, i bought multiple games by selling steam cards and items .Bigger revenue means nothing when you loose sales and its basicly as if your game didnt exist, also so far i dont see any benefits from devs getting bigger split, all exclusives i played that were on egs first, had major problems or were simply bad and abonded and that was when they had all the time on egs to make those games work or be good.
Also epic is not so dev friendly as they pretend as for example they refused Darq dev on their store because he wanted to release his game on both stores at same time.
They also removed cop cars to please far left from fortnite and had blm seminar in game that is played mainly by kids and all that after Sweeny said politics dont belong in games.

Epic is not healthy competition that pushes technology forward and its obvious Valve doesnt take it as such because if they did they would stop making steam better and just threw money at exclusives, way epic does bussines is toxic and monopolistic, instead of enticing people with good service they just throw money around for poor schmucks to grab on and strong arm customers with their monopolistic actions, this is pc and epic brings console toxic business practices to it.

I checked prices on egs few times and it was same as steam and sometimes even more expensive which was reported by alot of people so epic is not really any better than steam in this area .
Steam actually has family settings and parental control.

Gog didnt threw in towel, people were buying Cyberpunk on both platforms at same time, also its wierd that only launcher that is not compatible with gog galaxy is egs as if epic wasnt so consumer friendly as they pretend.
Gog is niche because they dug their grave with no drm policy, as such alot of games are not there and will never be and we know what happened with Hitman 3 when they tried it.
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