competition from epic games is forcing valve to update its client and add new features

[Rain]

nice .

[AlexTheRedScout]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von NakiBest:

Could be, but I believe Firefox was a one EXE/process deal only for many, many years.
And Chrome/Chrome has always been using many EXEs/processes (including per tab/etc) from its very start. :)

This multiple EXEs/processes spilt-up only came to Firefox fairly later on, and is still different from Chrome quite a bit. In Firefox, I think there is a upper limit to how many processes it will use.
Chrome can use lots.

actually they use chromuin which is google chrome but made for dev use both edge and firefox use a modified version to fit their needs

[kingjames488]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von NakiBest:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

until it becomes a selling point not to conform

How many good non-Chrome web browsers do you know?
MS Edge, Opera, Chrome and others too are all Chrome based.

Firefox stands out, and Safari too but that is only for Mac/iPhone/iPad side. :)
(Apple killed off Safari for WIndows years ago.)

It is unlikely for a new, non-conforming web browser to take any, even minor market share quickly.
Maybe in 5, 10 years but not now. :)

ya firefox... the browser I've been using since forever.

at this point they might as well be using edge >.>

[vizthex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dilynwrcrist:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You do realize that Epic is known as a loss leader?

There is no competition. They pay developers to put their games on their store for free. Those free games may not cost you anything but they are definitely not free.

Also there are 125 million active Steam accounts. Epic doesn't have anywhere near that amount.

EDIT:

Loss leader:

a product sold at a loss to attract customers

Epic Store has 230M registered users, and 68M monthly active users, its serious competition for Steam, which is a good thing for everyone, competition is needed to avoid stagnation.

damn, that is way higher than i thought.

genuine question: Why would you use their barely-functional and greedy storefront?

[Fushigiri]

oh no epic is at a loss, how does it affect me the customer tho? free games, coupons , sales that steam dosent even try to match, supporting regional currency that steam dosent, regional pricing that steam dosent have and all these coming from not the multi billion dollar company who owns pc gaming
whenever there was only 1 supplier for a product, it always ended up badly for the customer, because they didnt have to improve their service or anything cuz if you wanted that product you needed to come to them so without real competition why even bother improving
steam with 80% of all pc games being exclusive to steam with 30% cut of all profit, taxing in game purchases also, is pretty much a multi billion dollars monopoly , so maybe they should start being at a ,, loss " and actually do something for its clients like all the other storefronts do and not simply get used to passive income that will come anyway and do nothing

[🅷🅴🆇🅴🅽]

To put Epic on the same level as Steam, or even call them a competitor is weird in the extreme. To bring it up in a discussion only shows one’s total lack of interest in genuine dialogue.

[vizthex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von إلهة الدم:

To put Epic on the same level as Steam, or even call them a competitor is weird in the extreme. To bring it up in a discussion only shows one’s total lack of interest in genuine dialogue.

honestly though lol

i'm willing to bet that a vast majority of the "active users" are only there to play fortnite, and maybe claim some free games you'll definitely play one day.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fushigiri:

oh no epic is at a loss, how does it affect me the customer tho? free games, coupons , sales that steam dosent even try to match, supporting regional currency that steam dosent, regional pricing that steam dosent have and all these coming from not the multi billion dollar company who owns pc gaming
whenever there was only 1 supplier for a product, it always ended up badly for the customer, because they didnt have to improve their service or anything cuz if you wanted that product you needed to come to them so without real competition why even bother improving
steam with 80% of all pc games being exclusive to steam with 30% cut of all profit, taxing in game purchases also, is pretty much a multi billion dollars monopoly , so maybe they should start being at a ,, loss " and actually do something for its clients like all the other storefronts do and not simply get used to passive income that will come anyway and do nothing

steam's had all the stuff you listed for years though....?

sales are set by game's developers btw.

but yeah, if epic wants to be considered as anything more than the salty marketing black hole that bribes off game devs, epic's gotta step up their game and actually give a ♥♥♥♥.

[Xhoas]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dazza0511:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von إلهة الدم:

To put Epic on the same level as Steam, or even call them a competitor is weird in the extreme. To bring it up in a discussion only shows one’s total lack of interest in genuine dialogue.

Do you live in a cave? Steam is missing like 3 big triple A games this year because of Epic.

Only 3? lol.

[vizthex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dazza0511:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von إلهة الدم:

To put Epic on the same level as Steam, or even call them a competitor is weird in the extreme. To bring it up in a discussion only shows one’s total lack of interest in genuine dialogue.

Do you live in a cave? Steam is missing like 3 big triple A games this year because of Epic.

yeah, but i kinda doubt anyone who isn't already into those franchises will bother buying them.

and even then, epic is a marketing black hole. You release your game there only for it to die before it's even gotten off the ground.

Already happened to me twice - 2 games i thought were neat went epic exclusive, and i totally forgot about them due to that. Probably would've bought them day 1 if that hadn't happened.

Hell, they're gonna come to steam regardless. Just like console games getting ported, it's a no-brainer move to maximize profits by slapping the game onto every storefront.

[vizthex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WolfEisberg:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von vizthex:

damn, that is way higher than i thought.

genuine question: Why would you use their barely-functional and greedy storefront?

because it is a functional store (extremely better than "barely functional", and it's far from greedy since they only take 12% of the revenue, Steam is the greedy store that takes 30% of the revenue.

30% is the industry standard for damn near everything lol. Consoles have been doing it for years, but i don't see anyone ♥♥♥♥♥ about it there. YouTube's the same.

Epic bribing indie devs for exclusivity is super greedy though. I can't think of another company that ever does that.

A game launcher is also kinda supposed to be more than a store. Epic doesn't have nearly as many of the great features Steam has - achievements, screenshots, workshop, discussions, the in-game overlay, etc.

They just got salty at Valve taking some of their money for each game's sale, so they turned around and made their own ♥♥♥♥♥♥ version to take other people's money instead - but lowered the price cut a bit as a form of virtue signalling so people think they're better by default for something no other platform has bothered to do since nobody's ever really cared.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WolfEisberg:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von vizthex:

yeah, but i kinda doubt anyone who isn't already into those franchises will bother buying them.

and even then, epic is a marketing black hole. You release your game there only for it to die before it's even gotten off the ground.

Already happened to me twice - 2 games i thought were neat went epic exclusive, and i totally forgot about them due to that. Probably would've bought them day 1 if that hadn't happened.

Hell, they're gonna come to steam regardless. Just like console games getting ported, it's a no-brainer move to maximize profits by slapping the game onto every storefront.

Steam is even more of a marketing black hole, a ton of good indie games never see or barely see any light of day because they are constantly buried about the massive ton of trash that Valve lets onto the store every single day. Games are only successful because of the dev/pub marketing efforts outside of Steam. This is why every single EGS exclusive where the dev/pubs actually did proper marketing ended up having great sales numbers for the games like World War Z, Dead Island 2, and so many more.

Going by that logic, PlayStation and Xbox are the same. A lot of games get buried under whatever big new triple A release game out.

I do agree that Valve should have more quality control, but at the same time it's kinda your job to market your own stuff. Steam's had a "new releases" section for years too, so it's not like they're purposefully trying to hide new games or some ♥♥♥♥.

I would also like to see these "great sales numbers" compared to other entries in the franchise, because I know Borderlands 3 sold a mere fraction of the copies second game did upon release due to it being epic exclusive.

In addition, I do question why you're even here if you apparently hate Steam so much. Why bother using their platform if you think epic is so much better?

[Max]

"Marketing" yeah yeah when tow games has no marketing outside steam other than one it's 18+ anime or furry game and the other one is normal game.

guess who will be the trend.

"great sales numbers"
almost by AAA when they sell cheap game

[Max]

Will peaple should stop buy by steam recommendation you better get advice/recommendation from youtuber that you trust

[KalGimpa]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dazza0511:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von إلهة الدم:

To put Epic on the same level as Steam, or even call them a competitor is weird in the extreme. To bring it up in a discussion only shows one’s total lack of interest in genuine dialogue.

Do you live in a cave? Steam is missing like 3 big triple A games this year because of Epic.

come on now

i have no troubles with epic and their exclusives

things like this have been happening forever in the world of sales

i even like the year long beta testing that epic is giving those of us who do not use it

only reason i have not jumped into it was that the entire thing felt rushed and janky

i also love competition in a market

it only helps us


that all being said,

they are paying out the behind to get what they have and have said it is not something they can do forever

they have also got nowhere near the number of sales that steam does

so, they are certainly an up and comer

but they have yet to do anything that steam needs to worry about

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

They have nothing to worry about, epic launcher still takes forever to actually open, and like 90% of their stuff is relying on the dwindling success of fortnite.

They also are missing some of the most basic features steam offers.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Epic hasn't made a game worth PLAYING in over a decade. Fortnite is garbage. so of course they haven't put one on steam

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WolfEisberg:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malfunctioning Robot:

Epic hasn't made a game worth PLAYING in over a decade. Fortnite is garbage. so of course they haven't put one on steam

It's garbage to you, purely subjective. it's been a huge success and still is, one of the biggest games in gaming, why would they want to give up 30% of their revenue to Valve when Valve wouldn't do anything for the game to earn that 30%?

Hey, remember how many lawsuits they've lost over their predatory lootboxes in fortnite? Why you shilling for a criminal like sweeney?

Oh and when a judge handed EPic a great big handful of "no" when they tried to challenge the industry standard of 30%