Steam hardware beta ,only for US users

[Mr.Cristian]

Steam won't include anyone outside US in the hardware beta.Too much of a hassle.
sometimes I wonder why Non-US users put up with with US corporations...
I meam it's easy enough to take our money ,including EU taxes and EU VAT ,but to ship a package outside US is such a difficult enterprise... you proved to be a nationalistic money grabbing corporation

That was low Valve.Very low. Please take your hardware badge back from my account.It insults me.

edit:
This is NOT about getting free stuff,is about favoring one group of people over another.

[Kuro]

Particulary ashaming when Steam already has been treating Europe like second rate customers with increased prices and product restrictions. It goes against everything Gabe Newell has been preaching the last few years about the game industry, rather hypocritical to say the least.

Also information is money, no doubt they already knew this beforehand. They do not have a whole legal team just to make silly mistakes like these.

[hategoeshere]

Publicado originalmente por Jennifer:

I thought there was no "contract" as you were not promised anything but a chance at it. (Trying to follow the logic going on in here, to understand the issue and story)

We were promised potential participation in the "beta test", since this potential was taken away, our time was taken on false pretenses and that is a confidence scheme. If Valve were one man he would be considered a con-man.
It took time, electricity, digital data (MB's) and personal information that some would not have otherwise supplied, to qualify for the beta test.
This is now work done without "payment" (payment = that potential participation I spoke of), personal information "phished" with the promise users would be considered in some way for the non-existant (for those outside the US) "contest" to be one of the chosen few.

[RadicalElation]

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

We were promised potential participation in the "beta test", since this potential was taken away, our time was taken on false pretenses and that is a confidence scheme. If Valve were one man he would be considered a con-man.
It took time, electricity, digital data (MB's) and personal information that some would not have otherwise supplied, to qualify for the beta test.
This is now work done without "payment" (payment = that potential participation I spoke of), personal information "phished" with the promise users would be considered in some way for the non-existant (for those outside the US) "contest" to be one of the chosen few.

Even without the "No Guarantee" part of the agreement you accepted the terms to, you just said yourself you were "promised potential participation".
You got just that, didn't you? There was the potential to participate and it just didn't happen. The potential you believe you were promised was given though, wasn't it?

[Silv3r9]

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

Nothing to do with free computers, everything to do with violating my rights and stealing work from everyone who signed up under false pretenses.

Holy Santa Claus on a reindeer - everybody was a willing participant to be selected as a beta tester (which took what? 60 seconds to complete all the tasks required) and no contracts were signed. Valve does not owe anyone anything (you can buy the darn thing with your own money once its available in stores) and the part I've quoted is borderline insane/hardcore trolling.

It seems many of you peeps were under the very wrong impression that signing up as beta tester gave you a ticket to some giveaway/freebie/Christmas present. You signed up to borrow a piece of hardware to test and then RETURN IT and it's up to the company where they choose send them.

Epic wall of text ahead:

BETA TEST AGREEMENT

1. Valve Corporation ("Valve", "We", "Us" or "Our") has developed and produced prototypes of entertainment system hardware and software, including a set-top box running custom software and a game controller (collectively: "Beta Products"). These Beta Products are currently being prepared for a limited beta testing program ("Beta Program") involving select end users of Our online service known as Steam ("Steam").

2. The terms of the existing Steam Subscriber Agreement (http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/) ("SSA") between You and Valve (or a Valve affiliate) apply to all aspects of the Beta Program, supplemented by the terms of this Agreement. In particular, the limitations of liabilities and disclaimer of warranties as presented in section 7 of the SSA shall extend to both the hardware and software Beta Products.

3. If You are selected as a participant in the Beta Program, Valve will make the Beta Products available to You as part of the Beta Program. The Beta Products will remain the property of Valve, and We may require You to return the Beta Products to Us upon request at Our expense (for example, without limitation, if such return is required to comply with regulatory restrictions, or if we feel it would be useful for us to examine the Beta Products to confirm or reproduce defect or errors that You identify). For this reason, the Beta Products are not for resale.

4. You are responsible for any taxes or other dues that You may incur by participating in the Beta Program and/or receiving the Beta Products from Us.

I agree AND am 13 years of age or older AND I declare the above entered address to be accurate

So yeah, you agreed to being 13 and that your address is correct. Yup - contract alright >_>

[hategoeshere]

Publicado originalmente por A Jewish Barber:

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

If that was the case... what was the point in wasting everyones time with a beta test?

My problem with the ROW exclusion is that we were lead to believe, and invested time in the promotion of a product that we had the promise of potentially receiving. Suddenly we are excluded, which means Valve broke a contract with every user outside the US who signed up for the beta test.
Nothing to do with free computers, everything to do with violating my rights and stealing work from everyone who signed up under false pretenses.

No contract was broken as there was no guarantee it would be available worldwide. In fact, in the Beta Test Agreement, that I'm sure you agreed to, they say that Section 7 of the SSA is extended to hardware and software beta, which includes:
C. NO GUARANTEES

NEITHER VALVE NOR ITS AFFILIATES GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE SOFTWARE, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S) OR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.

You agreed with Valve when signing up for the beta that there was no guarantee for access.

Indeed.
It "was" a gamble, now it's a scam. Imagine if casino's were "fixing" their machines so an ordinary player had no chance of winning, but didn't post that information until 10 minutes before you left.

[hategoeshere]

Publicado originalmente por A Jewish Barber:

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

We were promised potential participation in the "beta test", since this potential was taken away, our time was taken on false pretenses and that is a confidence scheme. If Valve were one man he would be considered a con-man.
It took time, electricity, digital data (MB's) and personal information that some would not have otherwise supplied, to qualify for the beta test.
This is now work done without "payment" (payment = that potential participation I spoke of), personal information "phished" with the promise users would be considered in some way for the non-existant (for those outside the US) "contest" to be one of the chosen few.

Even without the "No Guarantee" part of the agreement you accepted the terms to, you just said yourself you were "promised potential participation".
You got just that, didn't you? There was the potential to participate and it just didn't happen. The potential you believe you were promised was given though, wasn't it?

No. I am not American.

[Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel]

The trolling is now completely off the charts in this thread.

[hategoeshere]

Publicado originalmente por ᵀʰᵉ ᴿᵒᶫᶫᶦᶰᵍ Christmas Tree:

The trolling is now completely off the charts in this thread.

You're still on the chart little buddy.. don't worry.

[RadicalElation]

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

Indeed.
It "was" a gamble, now it's a scam. Imagine if casino's were "fixing" their machines so an ordinary player had no chance of winning, but didn't post that information until 10 minutes before you left.

That's a terrible analogy. It's closer to walking into a casino, saying "I want to play", and being told you can't a while later.

It's sucky, a small waste of time (much less so than going into a casino and waiting around before being denied access), but it really wasn't a gamble.

[hategoeshere]

Publicado originalmente por A Jewish Barber:

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

Indeed.
It "was" a gamble, now it's a scam. Imagine if casino's were "fixing" their machines so an ordinary player had no chance of winning, but didn't post that information until 10 minutes before you left.

That's a terrible analogy. It's closer to walking into a casino, saying "I want to play", and being told you can't a while later.

It's sucky, a small waste of time (much less so than going into a casino and waiting around before being denied access), but it really wasn't a gamble.

A while later? No. After I have already given my money to the damn machines.
It's strange you don't value your time.

[Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel]

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

Publicado originalmente por A Jewish Barber:

That's a terrible analogy. It's closer to walking into a casino, saying "I want to play", and being told you can't a while later.

It's sucky, a small waste of time (much less so than going into a casino and waiting around before being denied access), but it really wasn't a gamble.

A while later? No. After I have already given my money to the damn machines.
It's strange you don't value your time.

You spent more time reading this thread than filling out the Valve beta registration form. Guess you don't value your time much either, or you time is really really cheap.

[RadicalElation]

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

A while later? No. After I have already given my money to the damn machines.
It's strange you don't value your time.

So, in your analogy, money in the machine is time? But time in my analogy is not considered time, even when it's a far more valid analogy?

I find it funny you're here wasting time while arguing that you gambled your time to Valve as if it were money. Tell me, what do you stand to gain from this? Surely there must be something if you're so hellbent on gambling away your time on the forums complaining.

Edit: @ᵀʰᵉ ᴿᵒᶫᶫᶦᶰᵍ Christmas Tree, haha, it is a pretty big hole in his current argument, isn't it?

[hategoeshere]

nah.. I'm preparing legal papers, as Valve will see I am worth a lot more per hour than they're going to feel like paying.

[dibujante]

I'm still trying SteamOS, but it was a really bad faux pas to tell me after I've been sitting here waiting excitedly for MONTHS.

[hategoeshere]

Publicado originalmente por A Jewish Barber:

Publicado originalmente por SexOffender:

A while later? No. After I have already given my money to the damn machines.
It's strange you don't value your time.

So, in your analogy, money in the machine is time? But time in my analogy is not considered time, even when it's a far more valid analogy?

I find it funny you're here wasting time while arguing that you gambled your time to Valve as if it were money. Tell me, what do you stand to gain from this? Surely there must be something if you're so hellbent on gambling away your time on the forums complaining.

Edit: @ᵀʰᵉ ᴿᵒᶫᶫᶦᶰᵍ Christmas Tree, haha, it is a pretty big hole in his current argument, isn't it?

I'm not sure how fast you read or type, or whether you can multitask, but my effort on the forum has been in between moments of actual work, and takes me very little time or effort.