Steam game ban abuse still exists till today yes I'm back

[Stealthy]

We just got a case where Valve banned a game on Steam and that fake developer was able to place steam bans on people's profile as revenge. Steam/Valve needs to do better.

To the mods that talked smack previously to me, yes I'm back, and I'm not going anywhere. I am back again and will always be back again to fight injustice because I am not in the wrong here. Close a million threads, and supports, I will open new ones. Fight the great fight of injustice till the wrong doers go down.

That is my suggestion, do better, combat steam ban abuse, it is a proven thing. Retired mod mad I am still fighting injustice, also need to do better.

[Stealthy]

Opprinnelig skrevet av datCookie:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Stealthy:

Ok so you seem to understand. Now how is that any different the the technical words for a steam game ban? I can delete my account thus remove my game ban, and I can repurchase all my games again on another account thus retaining all my games and I can unlock every single achievement I had previously thus retaining my account. I can reupload the screenshots, relevel up my account, only some things aren't retainable, so nothing I have said is a lie.

"Retain"

verb

1. continue to have (something); keep possession of

2. absorb and continue to hold (a substance)


You do not "retain" anything when you delete an account and create a new one. You lose all your games, DLC, achievements, badges, inventory items, post history, hub subscriptions, steam points and all purchases made with them along with literally everything else that comes with your Steam profile. You will be able to keep any screenshots you have if you save them to your PC before deletion, but if you don't, you lose them too.

Again, this is not "retention" by definition. It's not a win for you, because you lose all the money you spent on your games and all the time you spent playing them. You lose everything. The word you're looking for is "reacquire", because you can reacquire everything, for a price (time, money and effort) over time.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Stealthy:

And it is funny I am called a troll when guyvers language is exactly what you have seen me recently post in technical terms. Instead of understanding what we have been telling him, he chooses to use Valves steam ban rules in literal terms while also disregarding that a developer cannot steam ban abuse, painting them innocent because they were not removed, as if that is proof, but also refuses to see proof from the opposite side.

I'm calling you a troll because you keep changing your stance and are now taking the most ridiculous stance I've seen you take since you made this thread and comments you made in the other one by another user. Somehow you're now of the belief that you have the power to not only remove your own game ban and also get the developer who issued it their very own game ban, which is patently false.

And this whole notion of being able to delete your account and "retain" everything on it, except the game ban, is blatantly false and complete misinformation.

You're obviously not understanding me but it is okay I will explain to you in full details. The fact is cguyver like to play with words and call out longevity of a game ban as accurate because of the length. Meaning ultimately if it stayed that long, then I am guilty. What happens if I do get it removed? Then what bs will he make up?

Now besides appealing it or going through Valve emails in hopes of getting it removed, you're right, it is retained. But the fact that the deleted account will no longer exist, and the current account exists, is of itself a removal of the game ban thanks to my decision, my power to delete the account, whether the initial toxic developer chose it or not. You can call it a loss I call it a win as a last resort. There are many different ways to retain the games I want, the virtual stuff doesn't mean much but I could retain a high percentage of it. The achievements can be easily done and your must know how too. The points are easy, I can reward my new account. Sure interest will not be there, screenshots, same level, same showcases except for older badge participations. I have old accounts, and 1 oldest account from 2006 but I gave it away. It is 100% clean, just like the other accounts that my family made.

Now lets move to the next thing. Game banning the developer. I can easily become the developer, and there you have it reverse uno. The guy freaks out about any feedback so if he personally attacked me, it is great retaliation once he sees my profile clean and his made up name, game baned by himself. And guess what? Game sharing allows me to still play all those games. So now what is shown by name, is legit right? Cguyver would say so since seeing game bans on account are legit. If the answer is no or it won't mean anything, then exactly. Since nothing means nothing then it don't matter if some account not used has a game ban. Not my account, I have my new main. Say what you want or think what you want. It is literally going to have a different user name, not used, literally not me anymore.

And I'll gladly delete it if I have to. I don't replay games I beat and it would be a great way to sift off some games. I give away games from my physical collection all the time and in this new digital age you don't own anything really, just licenses. Also one very last important thing, you don't take your games to the grave. Alexander the great conquered so much land, did he take it with him?

I will be at peace if anything. Also, as your mentioned I could download my games to a 4TB HD and keep them before deleting the account. Just the online ones would go away and those don't really matter because I don't play any of them any more. And things like Destiny 2 easily allow save transfer to a new platform, which would be the game I'd play.

That wouldn't mean the end too, because I won't stop fighting for others.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

No one is making up BS here except for you. Cookie even called you out on it multiple times as have others. All of that is nothing but mental gymnastics.

Calling a loss a win doesn't make it so and nobody else would believe that. You're calling it a win to satisfy your own mind and no one else.

I mean really? You can easily become the developer? If all this virtual stuff doesn't mean anything, that again totally explains why you have harped on endlessly for the better part of a year or more?

Making a new account isn't a win either, because the original account is still banned and will remain so. Sharing The library with another account isn't a win either and it does not erase the ban.

You haven't won anything of the sort because guess what? You're having to do exactly what Valve tells you to do, create another account. This is the case for any ban whether it's a game ban or VAC ban.

Downloading the games before the account is deleted, doesn't work. And it is never work this way. To play them on the new account. You still need a license and you can't download that.

This isn't pre-Steam where you just download games and back them up. You also can't transfer licenses from one Steam account to another. I'm guessing that you probably don't even know which one of your games require Steam. Here's a tip, log out of Steam, find a game exe and click on it. If after you click on it, it brings up the Steam login box, you guessed it that game requires Steam and it will not launch without it.

This is so damn sad and funny at the same time. lol

Going to such links to try to prove that you're "right" and you're still wrong.

Your reasoning is hopeless.

[Stealthy]

Opprinnelig skrevet av C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

No one is making up BS here except for you. Cookie even called you out on it multiple times as have others. All of that is nothing but mental gymnastics.

Calling a loss a win doesn't make it so and nobody else would believe that. You're calling it a win to satisfy your own mind and no one else.

I mean really? You can easily become the developer? If all this virtual stuff doesn't mean anything, that again totally explains why you have harped on endlessly for the better part of a year or more?

Making a new account isn't a win either, because the original account is still banned and will remain so. Sharing The library with another account isn't a win either and it does not erase the ban.

You haven't won anything of the sort because guess what? You're having to do exactly what Valve tells you to do, create another account. This is the case for any ban whether it's a game ban or VAC ban.

Downloading the games before the account is deleted, doesn't work. And it is never work this way. To play them on the new account. You still need a license and you can't download that.

This isn't pre-Steam where you just download games and back them up. You also can't transfer licenses from one Steam account to another. I'm guessing that you probably don't even know which one of your games require Steam. Here's a tip, log out of Steam, find a game exe and click on it. If after you click on it, it brings up the Steam login box, you guessed it that game requires Steam and it will not launch without it.

This is so damn sad and funny at the same time. lol

Going to such links to try to prove that you're "right" and you're still wrong.

Your reasoning is hopeless.

All my reasonings as they sound dumb are the exact parody for how your point of view sounds when it comes to game bans and calling people guilty until proven innocent.

Lets be real here, you think we can't crack our games to run or obtain them in certain other ways. Not claiming I will do that but I can easily do that if I cared to do that. I already told you it's not a loss to me as a last resort so that is FACT. And game sharing an account I change the profile name will in FACT no longer be my main account because I say what account is my account not you. I won't do what Valve asks which is create a new account because I have older accounts already. So in fact, you could say a dummy account or alt account was banned, but reverse uno the developer so he can cry about it like you are doing.

So again, if Valve don't take care of it, then I will. Lets hope they do, but oh well if they don't because jokes on them I found a work around proving a flawed system.

And once again by deleting an account it proves you are, WRONG. You can easily get rid of a game ban and not have to ask a game developer to do so. Too bad you didn't think of everything, oh well I guess you should contact your Valve employee buddies to change the system to make it worst so people can't just do that. Since you care to support dictator devs.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

There is no guilty until proven innocent. As this is not a court of law. It doesn't operate that way and never has. The account did something and was banned for it. Talking about cracks is not the wisest thing to do here. As that gets the account in worse trouble than any type of ban. The account is guilty as the ban has been there for 2 years. One day you will realize this. You're only focusing on the ban disappearing and not the entire account disappearing. That is why your reasoning is totally flawed.

If you cut off your foot to get rid of a hangnail, the hangnail is gone but so is your foot.

Actually no, Valve is the one who says what account is yours and what account is not. Could have created a new account 2 years ago and you haven't I don't think you're going to do anything. I don't think you're going to create a new account, I don't think you're going to delete your account, and I don't think you're going to contact Valve. You're here. Out of boredom. Nothing more.

They're not going to take care of it because you won't even contact them to do so. The ban is not going to remove itself automatically either.

You are also clearly one the one who is crying about it, not anyone else and you've been doing it in multiple threads.

Deleting accounts and saying that you got rid of the ban is not the win argument that you think it is.

Your thought process is something else, I'll tell you that.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Playing cracked games or buying them elsewhere won't remove the ban, thus isn't as much of a win as it is taking the ball and going home.

[alex-spieleder]

Nope it would be a win because he then have a account ban free where he would have all the games and he cann fight the corupt dec on without the corupt dev getting more money from him

[datCookie]

Opprinnelig skrevet av alex-spieleder:

Nope it would be a win because he then have a account ban free where he would have all the games and he cann fight the corupt dec on without the corupt dev getting more money from him

The "corrupt dev" was never going to get more money from him anyway... it's not the win he or you claims it is. Sure, the account wouldn't have a game ban on it, but then it wouldn't have anything, because it would no longer exist.

At that point, he may as well just move on with his life because all he'd risk is getting forum banned and the game in question doesn't even much of a community behind it anyway.

*YAWN*

[Komarimaru]

Seems people missed the subtle hint when I posted last time, about other users who were attacked by said Dev, had the ban removed.

Valve to my knowledge, removed all the wrong bans due to said Dev. The game ban on the account, says where it's from. Why was that never posted?

Under your account, it lists it under VAC and Game Bans for your account, and the game under it.

[Stealthy]

Opprinnelig skrevet av C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

There is no guilty until proven innocent. As this is not a court of law. It doesn't operate that way and never has. The account did something and was banned for it. Talking about cracks is not the wisest thing to do here. As that gets the account in worse trouble than any type of ban. The account is guilty as the ban has been there for 2 years. One day you will realize this. You're only focusing on the ban disappearing and not the entire account disappearing. That is why your reasoning is totally flawed.

If you cut off your foot to get rid of a hangnail, the hangnail is gone but so is your foot.

Actually no, Valve is the one who says what account is yours and what account is not. Could have created a new account 2 years ago and you haven't I don't think you're going to do anything. I don't think you're going to create a new account, I don't think you're going to delete your account, and I don't think you're going to contact Valve. You're here. Out of boredom. Nothing more.

They're not going to take care of it because you won't even contact them to do so. The ban is not going to remove itself automatically either.

You are also clearly one the one who is crying about it, not anyone else and you've been doing it in multiple threads.

Deleting accounts and saying that you got rid of the ban is not the win argument that you think it is.

Your thought process is something else, I'll tell you that.

You will see I am a man of my word. I don't go back on my word.

You're right arguing back and forth isn't getting much anywhere except helping to pass time.

I will eventually contact the support people have suggested. Like you said, it has been 2 years so I am in no rush to contact them. When I have free time to sit down and write a proper email and provide all the screenshot proof I have, I will do so.

Again, I prefer to not delete my account but I see it as a win. I've always moved on from my library, this will be no different. NES, SNES, N64, PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, etc. I sold thousands of games for lowball store credit or just as a giveaway because I know I will no longer play them. I have games on my steam library I haven't even played nor will I ever play. Again, I prefer not to but I will act in stages at my own pace but you will see I don't lie.

And it is funny everyone focused on the cracking of games even after I said I wouldn't do that, but only suggested that it isn't impossible to regain every game. License don't mean anything unless it is an online only game or has some DRM. I even mentioned only game I'd care for is Destiny 2 which has cross saves. So if anything I'd make my main platform Playstation again.

Not crying about it because I wanted to bring awarness but you've dragged this down because it would make you happy to see these threads closed.

Valve don't care who makes an account, sure they allow it but they wouldn't have the choice to allow it if the customers weren't here. So I can most definitely control what account is mine and which wasn't and if Valve stepped in to remove those privileges, then I'd leave the platform for good. Even knowing then that there are other ways to make accounts as other people or IPs. Just saying it so you know it is possible but I don't stay where I am not wanted. The analogy I am giving you is basically the same thing with Nintendo creating all this switch 2 protections, but ultimately it will still get hacked, and games will be pirated. The closest way to stop pirating I've see is making an online mmo only like WoW and even then there are private servers. The customers, the people, are always right. Law applies here too, this is a U.S. company, it can make its private practices, but going against the law is fatal and Valve has learned that before.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Playing cracked games or buying them elsewhere won't remove the ban, thus isn't as much of a win as it is taking the ball and going home.

Just for the ball comment, I wouldn't be, I would still be playing in their home court.

My plans to game share if I have to. So I'm not going against any Valve rules.

Opprinnelig skrevet av datCookie:

Opprinnelig skrevet av alex-spieleder:

Nope it would be a win because he then have a account ban free where he would have all the games and he cann fight the corupt dec on without the corupt dev getting more money from him

The "corrupt dev" was never going to get more money from him anyway... it's not the win he or you claims it is. Sure, the account wouldn't have a game ban on it, but then it wouldn't have anything, because it would no longer exist.

At that point, he may as well just move on with his life because all he'd risk is getting forum banned and the game in question doesn't even much of a community behind it anyway.

*YAWN*

Actually I support indie developers all the time. I was going to donate some serious cash, instead another indie dev. got it. Their socom successor is still here and active and his is dead, but hey that's karma for him. The only way he's going to make a comeback is if he stops harassing and scamming the same gamers that supported in the start. He is most definitely a dictator and you can easily see that by reading his guidelines. His discord subscriptions show how full of it too. Also, he just announced he is stopping development of the game because lack of interest in rank testing (but banned anyone who would have helped) and supposedly selling off his game engine or some code in it to "big companies" lol so big he couldn't name them I guess.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Komarimaru:

Seems people missed the subtle hint when I posted last time, about other users who were attacked by said Dev, had the ban removed.

Valve to my knowledge, removed all the wrong bans due to said Dev. The game ban on the account, says where it's from. Why was that never posted?

Under your account, it lists it under VAC and Game Bans for your account, and the game under it.

Sure it lists it for me but not for anyone checking my profile.

[alex-spieleder]

Nah giving away the physical libary would be bad. In my opnion it should be kept: Sell it only if you are in a desperate postion or maybe as a gift.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Opprinnelig skrevet av alex-spieleder:

Nope it would be a win because he then have a account ban free where he would have all the games and he cann fight the corupt dec on without the corupt dev getting more money from him

Deleteing the account means the games go bye-bye.

[Stealthy]

Opprinnelig skrevet av The Squire of Gothos:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Stealthy:

/useless wall of nothing

So you'd rather waste everyone's time pissing and moaning and being a drama queen on the forums, than contacting support? Right.

Afraid of the answer support will give you?

No, it is just easier to reply on mobile than write up an email with all the screenshots and all. Also, you guys bringing the drama.

[Stealthy]

Opprinnelig skrevet av alex-spieleder:

Nah giving away the physical libary would be bad. In my opnion it should be kept: Sell it only if you are in a desperate postion or maybe as a gift.

End of the day it is just video games and I have to look at it that way. Sure money is lost and definitely if I had more than enough time I would have found the best lawyers.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Stealthy:

Opprinnelig skrevet av C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

There is no guilty until proven innocent. As this is not a court of law. It doesn't operate that way and never has. The account did something and was banned for it. Talking about cracks is not the wisest thing to do here. As that gets the account in worse trouble than any type of ban. The account is guilty as the ban has been there for 2 years. One day you will realize this. You're only focusing on the ban disappearing and not the entire account disappearing. That is why your reasoning is totally flawed.

If you cut off your foot to get rid of a hangnail, the hangnail is gone but so is your foot.

Actually no, Valve is the one who says what account is yours and what account is not. Could have created a new account 2 years ago and you haven't I don't think you're going to do anything. I don't think you're going to create a new account, I don't think you're going to delete your account, and I don't think you're going to contact Valve. You're here. Out of boredom. Nothing more.

They're not going to take care of it because you won't even contact them to do so. The ban is not going to remove itself automatically either.

You are also clearly one the one who is crying about it, not anyone else and you've been doing it in multiple threads.

Deleting accounts and saying that you got rid of the ban is not the win argument that you think it is.

Your thought process is something else, I'll tell you that.

You will see I am a man of my word. I don't go back on my word.

You're right arguing back and forth isn't getting much anywhere except helping to pass time.

I will eventually contact the support people have suggested. Like you said, it has been 2 years so I am in no rush to contact them. When I have free time to sit down and write a proper email and provide all the screenshot proof I have, I will do so.

Again, I prefer to not delete my account but I see it as a win. I've always moved on from my library, this will be no different. NES, SNES, N64, PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, etc. I sold thousands of games for lowball store credit or just as a giveaway because I know I will no longer play them. I have games on my steam library I haven't even played nor will I ever play. Again, I prefer not to but I will act in stages at my own pace but you will see I don't lie.

And it is funny everyone focused on the cracking of games even after I said I wouldn't do that, but only suggested that it isn't impossible to regain every game. License don't mean anything unless it is an online only game or has some DRM. I even mentioned only game I'd care for is Destiny 2 which has cross saves. So if anything I'd make my main platform Playstation again.

Not crying about it because I wanted to bring awarness but you've dragged this down because it would make you happy to see these threads closed.

Valve don't care who makes an account, sure they allow it but they wouldn't have the choice to allow it if the customers weren't here. So I can most definitely control what account is mine and which wasn't and if Valve stepped in to remove those privileges, then I'd leave the platform for good. Even knowing then that there are other ways to make accounts as other people or IPs. Just saying it so you know it is possible but I don't stay where I am not wanted. The analogy I am giving you is basically the same thing with Nintendo creating all this switch 2 protections, but ultimately it will still get hacked, and games will be pirated. The closest way to stop pirating I've see is making an online mmo only like WoW and even then there are private servers. The customers, the people, are always right. Law applies here too, this is a U.S. company, it can make its private practices, but going against the law is fatal and Valve has learned that before.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Playing cracked games or buying them elsewhere won't remove the ban, thus isn't as much of a win as it is taking the ball and going home.

Just for the ball comment, I wouldn't be, I would still be playing in their home court.

My plans to game share if I have to. So I'm not going against any Valve rules.

Opprinnelig skrevet av datCookie:

The "corrupt dev" was never going to get more money from him anyway... it's not the win he or you claims it is. Sure, the account wouldn't have a game ban on it, but then it wouldn't have anything, because it would no longer exist.

At that point, he may as well just move on with his life because all he'd risk is getting forum banned and the game in question doesn't even much of a community behind it anyway.

*YAWN*

Actually I support indie developers all the time. I was going to donate some serious cash, instead another indie dev. got it. Their socom successor is still here and active and his is dead, but hey that's karma for him. The only way he's going to make a comeback is if he stops harassing and scamming the same gamers that supported in the start. He is most definitely a dictator and you can easily see that by reading his guidelines. His discord subscriptions show how full of it too. Also, he just announced he is stopping development of the game because lack of interest in rank testing (but banned anyone who would have helped) and supposedly selling off his game engine or some code in it to "big companies" lol so big he couldn't name them I guess.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Komarimaru:

Seems people missed the subtle hint when I posted last time, about other users who were attacked by said Dev, had the ban removed.

Valve to my knowledge, removed all the wrong bans due to said Dev. The game ban on the account, says where it's from. Why was that never posted?

Under your account, it lists it under VAC and Game Bans for your account, and the game under it.

Sure it lists it for me but not for anyone checking my profile.

All of that amounts to blah blah blah at this point.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Stealthy:

Opprinnelig skrevet av The Squire of Gothos:

So you'd rather waste everyone's time pissing and moaning and being a drama queen on the forums, than contacting support? Right.

Afraid of the answer support will give you?

No, it is just easier to reply on mobile than write up an email with all the screenshots and all. Also, you guys bringing the drama.

You're the one with the ban and you brought the drama.