Why call it a SPRING sale, when the sales are same as before?

[Kenlek]

Earlier years some of your season sales has had some very good offers. But this time EVERY game on my wishlist has been at same sale before! And I am talking more than a month ago. Usualy games go down in price with time, so this makes no sense. You even have games that are not on sale at all on this list. It is like you are not really trying, and what was an exciting "thing" is just an "illusion" at this point.

[FafnirChaos]

FOMO

[HikariLight]

Steam asked the devs if they want their games on sale and at what % off if they do want the games on sale.
The devs have the final say on the pricing.

[Kenlek]

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Steam asked the devs if they want their games on sale and at what % off if they do want the games on sale.
The devs have the final say on the pricing.

I am fully aware of how it works. Steam can't .. or will not reduce their own take on the sales. But from earlier seasons it would seem they atleast suggested for the devs that the sale should be better than before. And with a few really good offers. Like I stated, these games has had same sales before, leaving this season sale rather pointless!

And why list games with no reduced price?

[datCookie]

Originally posted by Kenlek:

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Steam asked the devs if they want their games on sale and at what % off if they do want the games on sale.
The devs have the final say on the pricing.

I am fully aware of how it works. Steam can't .. or will not reduce their own take on the sales. But from earlier seasons it would seem they atleast suggested for the devs that the sale should be better than before. And with a few really good offers. Like I stated, these games has had same sales before, leaving this season sale rather pointless!

What it seemed like and what it actually was, are two very different things. Steam has never had any influence over the price that the developers/publishers sell their game(s) for, nor what sale percentage they will have, if any. Steam has always only ever given them the option and played the host role, as that's their purpose here.

If you're unhappy with the sale percentage of any game, complain to the developers about it.

[Kenlek]

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by Kenlek:

I am fully aware of how it works. Steam can't .. or will not reduce their own take on the sales. But from earlier seasons it would seem they atleast suggested for the devs that the sale should be better than before. And with a few really good offers. Like I stated, these games has had same sales before, leaving this season sale rather pointless!

What it seemed like and what it actually was, are two very different things. Steam has never had any influence over the price that the developers/publishers sell their game(s) for, nor what sale percentage they will have, if any. Steam has always only ever given them the option and played the host role, as that's their purpose here.

If you're unhappy with the sale percentage of any game, complain to the developers about it.

"Steam has never had any influence over the price that the developers/publishers sell their game(s) for, nor what sale percentage they will have, if any."

This you can't know. I know a dev, and they get a "sales" message of sorts, asking if they want to take part in the sale. This season sales are Steams marketing "thing", and it is obvious that they want as many good offers as possible to make more revenue. You just assume there is no marketing/sale communication going on, but you can't know this. Are you a dev, of any of the main 100 games?

And your suggestion is just as pointless as this season sale. My whole argument is that this season sale are just a summary of prior sales. And by that loose the whole point as being something exciting and new (best sale)!. As it actually has been prior. If the sale are not better than before it should not even be on this list!

And if my point is still not clear to you. How it is now they should call it "Spring list"! Not "Spring sale" as it is somewhat false marketing. Just how so many exploit Black Friday offers by increasing prices just before, to make it seem like the sale % is good.

[datCookie]

Originally posted by Kenlek:

"Steam has never had any influence over the price that the developers/publishers sell their game(s) for, nor what sale percentage they will have, if any."

This you can't know. I know a dev, and they get a "sales" message of sorts, asking if they want to take part in the sale. This season sales are Steams marketing "thing", and it is obvious that they want as many good offers as possible to make more revenue. You just assume there is no marketing/sale communication going on, but you can't know this. Are you a dev, of any of the main 100 games?

And your suggestion is just as pointless as this season sale. My whole argument is that this season sale are just a summary of prior sales. And by that loose the whole point as being something exciting. As it actually has been prior.

This is Valves own information on how sales work:

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/discounts

The only sales that Valve do themselves, are "curated" sales. This focuses mostly on the more popular products, but the information provided doesn't specify as to whether a game has the option to not do a sale if Valve wishes to, it only says that if their product qualifies for a curated sale, they will be contacted with details, whereby I would assume developers can opt out if they wish. But for 90% of all sales, the devs/publishers have full control on whether they join hosted sales events or do their own sales. They are merely subject to a few rules that Valve have set in regards to how sales work.

As far as the "major" sales go, Everyone knows the Summer and Winter sales are the big ones, where the Spring and Autumn sales just aren't all that anymore. With how regular game sales are nowadays, because publishers and devs have caught on to the trend, the Valve hosted sales (which all games are invited to join, but are not required to) mean a lot less than they used to.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by Kenlek:

Earlier years some of your season sales has had some very good offers. But this time EVERY game on my wishlist has been at same sale before! And I am talking more than a month ago. Usualy games go down in price with time, so this makes no sense. You even have games that are not on sale at all on this list. It is like you are not really trying, and what was an exciting "thing" is just an "illusion" at this point.

Actually, if you'd look, some of those 90% offers have never been offered before.

[Kenlek]

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by Kenlek:

"Steam has never had any influence over the price that the developers/publishers sell their game(s) for, nor what sale percentage they will have, if any."

This you can't know. I know a dev, and they get a "sales" message of sorts, asking if they want to take part in the sale. This season sales are Steams marketing "thing", and it is obvious that they want as many good offers as possible to make more revenue. You just assume there is no marketing/sale communication going on, but you can't know this. Are you a dev, of any of the main 100 games?

And your suggestion is just as pointless as this season sale. My whole argument is that this season sale are just a summary of prior sales. And by that loose the whole point as being something exciting. As it actually has been prior.

This is Valves own information on how sales work:

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/discounts

The only sales that Valve do themselves, are "curated" sales. This focuses mostly on the more popular products, but the information provided doesn't specify as to whether a game has the option to not do a sale if Valve wishes to, it only says that if their product qualifies for a curated sale, they will be contacted with details, whereby I would assume developers can opt out if they wish. But for 90% of all sales, the devs/publishers have full control on whether they join hosted sales events or do their own sales. They are merely subject to a few rules that Valve have set in regards to how sales work.

As far as the "major" sales go, Everyone knows the Summer and Winter sales are the big ones, where the Spring and Autumn sales just aren't all that anymore. With how regular game sales are nowadays, because publishers and devs have caught on to the trend, the Valve hosted sales (which all games are invited to join, but are not required to) mean a lot less than they used to.

Yes. Fair point and I guess you are right. I just have to swallow my dissapointment and hope for a better summer sale.

[Kenlek]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by Kenlek:

Earlier years some of your season sales has had some very good offers. But this time EVERY game on my wishlist has been at same sale before! And I am talking more than a month ago. Usualy games go down in price with time, so this makes no sense. You even have games that are not on sale at all on this list. It is like you are not really trying, and what was an exciting "thing" is just an "illusion" at this point.

Actually, if you'd look, some of those 90% offers have never been offered before.

True, but they are all very old and not on my wishlist. I think I have almost all of these already :)
Conan is a blast by the way. Well worth it! So are all the Tell Tales ones, if you like that kind of games.

[PurpleCreativeValiant]

Originally posted by Kenlek:

the sales are same as before

Nope https://imgur.com/4lIYf5G

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Kenlek:

Why call it a SPRING sale, when the sales are same as before?

Earlier years some of your season sales has had some very good offers. But this time EVERY game on my wishlist has been at same sale before! And I am talking more than a month ago. Usualy games go down in price with time, so this makes no sense. You even have games that are not on sale at all on this list. It is like you are not really trying, and what was an exciting "thing" is just an "illusion" at this point.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3314110913474554241

[Dodece]

Actually once you adjust for inflation the prices are actually going down. While the prices have remained the same your income has likely increased. Now with that being said the prices aren't going down, because the demand has remained strong. Meaning sellers have no incentive at all to further lower prices. That will come only after sales dwindle down to a trickle.

A situation which will be increasingly less likely moving forward, because computer gaming is on the rise often at the expense of consoles, and due to tariffs console gaming will only become far less attractive. The more people that come on board the longer it will take to get to that trickle. In fact there is a fairly good chance that sales prices will start to rebound upward.

[Bllasae]

Spring refers to the season, not the newness of the sale(s).

[Paulie]

This one officer. He's asking too many questions.

[Chika Ogiue]

Originally posted by datCookie:

Steam has never had any influence over the price that the developers/publishers sell their game(s) for, nor what sale percentage they will have, if any.

This actually isn't true. A fair number of years back Valve had final say on what they priced games sold on their platform at. I know this because I know an indie dev at the time who wanted to sell their game for a couple of USD. Back then, Valve refused to let him, and insisted he sell it no cheaper than 5 USD -- so that's what he sold it at.

Valve are far more hands off now, but to claim they have never influenced pricing is false.