Hey Gabe, turn off support for windows 7 by Oct 31st Instead of Jan 1st

[Brian9824]

Since Black Friday and Christmas are two of the biggest shopping times of the year this will help encourage those who are on the fence, and will let them fully grasp how the support being turned off effects them.

it will help users and give them a better opportunity to upgrade when stores offer some of their cheapest prices

[The Commendatore]

I agree.

Let's bring true horror back on Halloween by killing off Windows 7 on that faithful day.

[Jon the VGNerd]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Too harsh to contemplate by those like Ebenezer Scrooge and The Grinch,.

But for those like the maniacal, diabolical, Mr Newell and his sychophants, familiar territory .

Note how no one cares about your repeated, childish ignorance.

[RiO]

DiceDsx님이 먼저 게시:

Who are you and what have you done to the EU's Iron Man that used to frequent this forums? :p

RasaNova님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you say that as if all those claims "debunking" security concerns of Steam and Win 7 wee BS! How can that be?

What do you mean?

In none of those threads did I ever agree with the fact that staying on Windows 7 was a smart move. In fact - at one point, I made it very clear that it was my personal opinion that staying on Windows 7 because 10 was 'spyware' was bunk. Because all the same telemetry was also added to an update to Windows 7. A core update to the Windows Update installer, which you had to install to even be able to continue to install security updates.
In fact - Windows 7 spies harder, because it had the same telemetry added without explicit UI controls to turn it (partially) off, like Windows 10 at least does offer.

What I did argue in those threads is that a court might judge Valve to not be 100% in the clear wrt their update policy thanks to the UCTD, and I emphasized the negative consequences of getting a ball rolling on that in a high-profile legal case -- which might end in tougher legislation and crackdown; i.e. over-regulation. That's what government excels at where it concerns IT and entertainment media; and especially in video-games, where both meet. And it's something which nobody here wants to happen. (The well-known maxim: 'be careful what you wish for,' applies.)

And a few times I made note of the fact that one way out of the whole predicament, would be if Valve would just spend the minimal effort on a limited-function 'down-level' client that can only be used to log in; install; and start games via a surrogate generated Steam account ID linked to the main account, with separate credentials so it'd not be a big problem if it gets compromised. No online activity; no market; no community; no nothing. Just the bare minimum you'd be legally entitled to: access to the content you purchased.



I've also never made any secret of the fact that Valve's update policy wrt Chromium is terrible - and that supporting or not supporting Windows 7 was never part of the reasoning. Because if it was they wouldn't have had to stay on Chromium v85 as long as they have, but could've updated all the way to v109 without issue.

Which would've resolved at least two more important and dangerous vulnerabilities. One in the V8 JS engine, which can be used for remote code execution. And one in Chromium itself which allows bypassing the same-origin policy and stealing credentials.


The difference is:
those weren't under active exploitation. And were fairly hard to exploit, needing specifically tailored code. The libwebp and libvpx exploits are under active exploitation in the wild; and are comparatively very simple to exploit.

Now add also the fact that since August there has been a sharp uptick of developer accounts being compromised; and rationally I'd say: the needs of the many start outweighing the needs of the few.

[Nerv]

brian9824님이 먼저 게시:

Since Black Friday and Christmas are two of the biggest shopping times of the year this will help encourage those who are on the fence, and will let them fully grasp how the support being turned off effects them.

it will help users and give them a better opportunity to upgrade when stores offer some of their cheapest prices

based

[RasaNova]

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

DiceDsx님이 먼저 게시:

Who are you and what have you done to the EU's Iron Man that used to frequent this forums? :p

RasaNova님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you say that as if all those claims "debunking" security concerns of Steam and Win 7 wee BS! How can that be?

What do you mean?

In none of those threads did I ever agree with the fact that staying on Windows 7 was a smart move. In fact - at one point, I made it very clear that it was my personal opinion that staying on Windows 7 because 10 was 'spyware' was bunk. Because all the same telemetry was also added to an update to Windows 7. A core update to the Windows Update installer, which you had to install to even be able to continue to install security updates.
In fact - Windows 7 spies harder, because it had the same telemetry added without explicit UI controls to turn it off, like Windows 10 at least does offer.


I've also never made any secret of the fact that Valve's update policy wrt Chromium is terrible - and that supporting or not supporting Windows 7 was never part of the reasoning. Because if it was they wouldn't have had to stay on Chromium v85 as long as they have, but could've updated all the way to v109 without issue.

Which would've resolved at least two more important and dangerous vulnerabilities. One in the V8 JS engine, which can be used for remote code execution. And one in Chromium itself which allows bypassing the same-origin policy and stealing credentials.


The difference is:
those weren't under active exploitation. And were fairly hard to exploit, needing specifically tailored code. The libwebp and libvpx exploits are under active exploitation in the wild; and are comparatively very simple to exploit.

Now add also the fact that since August there has been a sharp uptick of developer accounts being compromised; and rationally I'd say: the needs of the many start outweighing the needs of the few.

No I wasn't talking about YOU making those claims, but I see how it would look like that so sorry I wasn't clear. I simply meant that many do insist that anyone mentioning security concern is just fear-mongering or "sucking up to Valve overlords" and such.

I personally don't know one end of CEF from the other, and tend to rely on who makes the most rational points with the least amount of hyperbole, like you did.

In simpler words - Thanks for the info.

[Hobbit XIII]

I'm a windows 7 user and I would switch it off for an hour just to watch the forums come alive with Khorne worshippers screaming Blood for the Blood... consumers voicing their concerns.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

ValentB님이 먼저 게시:

I hope Windows 12 really gonna be hybrid cloud subscription BS and Win10/11 to be phased out by Microsoft and Steam sooner than everyone expects.
Hope more games gonna be denuvoe'd and live service ones. Gonna be my turn to enjoy you losing your games.

Then everyone be on linux, and still have access to their games.

Don't worry you can keep pounding sand, I'm sure that fix all life problems lol.

[Crashed]

brian9824님이 먼저 게시:

Since Black Friday and Christmas are two of the biggest shopping times of the year this will help encourage those who are on the fence, and will let them fully grasp how the support being turned off effects them.

it will help users and give them a better opportunity to upgrade when stores offer some of their cheapest prices

At least let us use a newer CEF in the beta branch. CEF 85 is a dinosaur.

[Crashed]

rat님이 먼저 게시:

brian9824님이 먼저 게시:

Since Black Friday and Christmas are two of the biggest shopping times of the year this will help encourage those who are on the fence, and will let them fully grasp how the support being turned off effects them.

it will help users and give them a better opportunity to upgrade when stores offer some of their cheapest prices

based

I thought the "based" community was the one trying to stop the updates.

[DiceDsx]

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

DiceDsx님이 먼저 게시:

Who are you and what have you done to the EU's Iron Man that used to frequent this forums? :p

What do you mean?

snip

Mine was just a joke: usually, when I see you posting in these forums, it's about either Valve breaking some EU law/directive or them being incompetent at coding.

I understand the reason why you agree with the OP, I just found your "yes, please" a bit funny :)

[The Presence]

The Commendatore님이 먼저 게시:

I agree.

Let's bring true horror back on Halloween by killing off Windows 7 on that faithful day.

Just like Dead By Daylight's trailer for Halloween then.

"This Halloween, we (Valve) bring back the true meaning of horror... by removing Windows 7 support extra early."

[Keltrain]

Who is still running Windows 7?

[Nerv]

Keltrain님이 먼저 게시:

Who is still running Windows 7?

less than 5% of steam

[Jon the VGNerd]

Keltrain님이 먼저 게시:

Who is still running Windows 7?

Still using Windows 10 for me.

[Kiwi {JESUS IS LORD}]

Jon the VGNerd님이 먼저 게시:

Keltrain님이 먼저 게시:

Who is still running Windows 7?

Still using Windows 10 for me.

still using windows 11 for me