Shovelware took over Steam.
After almost a year or so of ignoring the store tab I was shocked today when I saw what happened to the front page. It looks like google play now and I fear for the future. I never really cared about early access games but seeing a ripoff of a ripoff of a early access ripoff popoing up on recommendations is truly shocking.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Matthew Sobol's Daemon:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Satoru:

Again please feel free to define what these 'crap' games are. Because so far the only actual criteria anyone has come up with boils down to 'I dont like this game'. And no you 'dont have to say that' explicity, but when your criteria implicitly boils down to 'i dont like this game' then that's what you're saying.

If you want better search filters that's fine. If you're saying that steam's discoverability should attempt to define what my tastes are better that's fine. but if you are going to say 'crap games shouldnt be shoved into our faces' then you're basically just arbitrarily saying that your tastes are the arbiter of what is 'crap'. Which again, is "Stuff I dont like".

It's fine to say "The discoverabity on steam makes it difficult to find games that i find appealing". But to use the hyperbole of 'crap games shoved into our face' belies the finer point that you're defining 'crap' as 'stuff I dont like'. Especially when by your own definition, the 'crap' games that you define are hardly ever in the discoverability queue nor on the main carousel.
So a game that constantly deletes it's save file is just a "game I just don't like".

A game that refuses to let me progress because of a bug is just a "game I just don't like".

A game that is so unoptimized that it runs like a 2-frames per second slideshow even on a high-end computer that fits the system specs is just a "game I just don't like".

A game that flat out does not work on the vast majority of machines that fits the specs (no, not just mine) is a game I "just don't like".

See, I agree with you guys for the most part about quality being subjective, but you are taking it way, WAY too far to the extreme. People have already come up with multiple examples that go beyond merely subjective poor quality and continue to say "we don't care, you just don't like it, maybe other people enjoy staring at a BSOD".

Mein gott someone knows! Thank you, good sir, you are a god amongst men... for having common sense. <3

These people will go to any length to defend themselves, however, and I can assure you they will just spew out more crap in a tiny attempt to keep their arguement relevant. :\
when a computer BOSD it's not always because that the game is badly coded , sometime it's can also the computers has a piece of hardwares which is the cause of the glitches and then cause a BOSD ... bad drivers , un-supported hardwares or even faulty hardwares at times.

if where we talking consoles gaming then yes ... when a game glitch and crash it's more often a deffective disc or badly made games , but then we have to consider the whole different sets of hardwares and OS availables to gamers there day's.

and then some other just plainly complain about a game quality even thru the graphics are obviously built for low end pc's and their only arguments is ''all games should be able to use my computer at it's maximum capacity because I've paid 2000$ for it'' and I don't want game that look like Android or ps3 port on steam.


'a game that delete it's own save file' ... that thing remind me so much of how peoples don't have a clue of how GFLW work and never noticed the obvious function to create a offline profile allowed most (90%) of these games to use the save function properly without having to log online , yet threads are regulary created on various forums from peoples complaining they can't save and the game socks when in reality ... it's their own fault.

so sometime a games is really totaly bad and sometime it's just the players who din't take the time to look at what is causing their problems with a given game , there are so much variable that can make a game playable or uplayable on a technical view on top even without counting the personal taste that a player has that I can't think of how someone could quantify a game quality ...

-in short-
w'ere not talking about beans and carrots , w'ere talking about codes and complex logics ... the only way to make a game run the same on all different computer is to ... test it manually on every single computers that it's been targeted to and even then ... you will have peoples complaining the game don't work even if their hardware is at fault.



-in even shorter-

yes ... sometime the game is a scrap and other time it's just the players that are acting up , not knowing how to use their computers or talking on their high horse like their opinions about a game is not an opinion but a fact.




Ursprünglich geschrieben von Matthew Sobol's Daemon:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Satoru:

Again please feel free to define what these 'crap' games are. Because so far the only actual criteria anyone has come up with boils down to 'I dont like this game'. And no you 'dont have to say that' explicity, but when your criteria implicitly boils down to 'i dont like this game' then that's what you're saying.

If you want better search filters that's fine. If you're saying that steam's discoverability should attempt to define what my tastes are better that's fine. but if you are going to say 'crap games shouldnt be shoved into our faces' then you're basically just arbitrarily saying that your tastes are the arbiter of what is 'crap'. Which again, is "Stuff I dont like".

It's fine to say "The discoverabity on steam makes it difficult to find games that i find appealing". But to use the hyperbole of 'crap games shoved into our face' belies the finer point that you're defining 'crap' as 'stuff I dont like'. Especially when by your own definition, the 'crap' games that you define are hardly ever in the discoverability queue nor on the main carousel.
So a game that constantly deletes it's save file is just a "game I just don't like".

A game that refuses to let me progress because of a bug is just a "game I just don't like".

A game that is so unoptimized that it runs like a 2-frames per second slideshow even on a high-end computer that fits the system specs is just a "game I just don't like".

A game that flat out does not work on the vast majority of machines that fits the specs (no, not just mine) is a game I "just don't like".

See, I agree with you guys for the most part about quality being subjective, but you are taking it way, WAY too far to the extreme. People have already come up with multiple examples that go beyond merely subjective poor quality and continue to say "we don't care, you just don't like it, maybe other people enjoy staring at a BSOD".
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kainochi:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von supertrooper225:

All of that just amounted to attacks on users who actually know what they are talking about and even more overblown ridiculous rhetoric. And there are terrible carrots out there for sale....how do you handle that? YOU DO NOT BUY THEM.

Simply hiding your head under the sand will do nothing. If you want Steam to become the equivalent of Walmart due to all the McGames being sold on it, good for you. Others do not want that. They like Steam, some even love it. They want it to remain good, not sell 95% garbage so it would please sensitive people and people with no taste. I'm sure that is something you do not understand, because you probably, now probably not actually, prefer McDonalds over prime rib roast any day of the week. Now McDonalds is ok once in a long while, but daily consumption is bad for you.

It will be like letting video games be a part of the Olympics. Video games are about competition, and the Olympics is about competition, so why not let video games be a part of the Olympics? Hell, it will practically be the only event at the Olympics where the competitors curse at each other, have a cheeto and fapping break, and weight between 150-500 pounds.

It is keeping your head on your shoulders instead of up in the sky. Once again....you use rhetoric that is nothing but hyperbole and you haven't actually conributed a single thing in here except...'our taste should be better'. Tha tis the point....you only buy what you want. This fantasy store you dreamt up doesn't exist. And if it did.....you would be crying about the lack of games being released.
And many people aren't mentioning one simple thing.

If you buy a game that has "OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE" as the review average on the right....you deserve the crappiest game on the planet. Glitches and all.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kainochi:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von supertrooper225:

It is keeping your head on your shoulders instead of up in the sky. Once again....you use rhetoric that is nothing but hyperbole and you haven't actually conributed a single thing in here except...'our taste should be better'. Tha tis the point....you only buy what you want. This fantasy store you dreamt up doesn't exist. And if it did.....you would be crying about the lack of games being released.

You have contributed nothing to this thread than the atypical "muh feels" responce. And yes, your taste should be better. I know it sounds mean, but because of people like you, "games" such as Grass Simulator and How Do You Do it have made it to the store page. It's amazing how those two games, and so, so, so many others have made it, even though they were blantalty bad from a mile away.

But as long as we let the "muh feels" people feel good by jingling a set of keys in front of them, all should be good, right? Hell, just rename Steam to MuhFeelsStore to purchase the next new hit, Bottle Water Simulator 100000000000!!!!.

And this is what I am talking about.

You have no counter argument, nothing rational to say and no real goal in mind. You just don't want to see stuff you do not like. Which is a personal problem. And if you can't read a simple review...we shouldn't be taking your advice on anything....ever.
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>Finally rounds everything up, ends arguement.
>Ignored.
Welp, i won the internet. Bye.
kek
meh, it's not a big deal to me
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lucas Buck:
Your argument has been debunked in this thread already. Other online stores (whether competitors to Steam or general stores like Amazon), and real world stores, exercise quality control and product placement without a problem, but apparently it's impossible for Steam to do the same thing. Rubbish.

Amazon sells loads of low-quality merchandise. They exercise zero quality control over ebooks (and too many of those ARE "zero quality," unless you've got a sex-with-monsters fetish). There's also huge amounts of bad mass-market books, videos and music on there.

Amazon CAN'T effectively do quality control on the items they and their partner stores sell, because they're selling millions of different items from thousands of vendors. They're a mass-market on a scale even greater than Steam. Do you honestly believe that someone at Amazon checks every single item out that's marketed through the site? I'm not entirely sure they look that closely at the stuff they themselves sell. Thing is, there's enough retail competition that the mass market can judge whether this or that humidifier or curling iron works well enough.

Steam is currently the market leader for PC gaming. Not their "pretty much just our own stuff" competitors Origin or UPlay (and while QC would be easier for those two, meh). Certainly not Desura or GOG.

If you put a bit of time into letting Steam know what you like (by wishlisting or buying) and don't like (by clicking "Not Interested" or by not viewing) it'll get the picture of what kind of customer you are and present things you'd like better. Look at it this way, if they do that poorly at it, you're probably spending less here. If they do it more poorly than one or more of their competitors, they lose their spot on top.

If Steam's methods of presenting things has one noticeable flaw, it's assuming that we all are prone to liking what large numbers of others like and buy. I don't know how to break it to a few of you, but those inexpensive, indie and/or Early Access games are pretty clearly selling in decent numbers. Steam's clearly not pushing something hard that nobody wants. If they did so, the AAA companies would have the economic clout with them to get that stuff pushed WAAAAY down. Games at the right price sell in good enough numbers to make it worth their time and effort to promote them.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kainochi:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von WhiteKnight77:
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Your head.

The fact that you see things on the front page on the Steam store that you do not like or want really gets to you, but you fail to see that Amazon does the same thing, yet you seem to accept it.

When you walk into a grocery store, there are plenty of products that are for sale, many that you do not want. Do you complain to the management that there are things on the shelves that you do dislike and do not want to see? What about when you go to the mall? There are stores there that you do not like or would never shop in, but do you ask the owners to remove them so you do not have to see them either?

Steam as space ad infinitum and while not the greatest, does have the means to sort to what you want allowing you to ignore that which you do not like.

As I said, there are no specific standards for video games to allow anyone a way to quantitatively measure the quality of a video game. There are way to many variables to do so.

Stores sell multiple products, so does Amazon. Steam sells games, just games, and the occasional item relating to a game, such as a digital book.

Now lets take your analogy and use it against you.

You walk into The Canned Carrots Store, because this store sells all types of canned carrots. However, as you look through the aisles, you begin to notice a lot of poorly made canned carrots. There are cans with lumps on it, dents, some are cut open, some canned carrots do not even resemble cans. It looks more like a semi-round, sphereical object. Other cans look like something you would see in a terrible painting trying to be abstract. Who designed these can? Who knows, but whoever did they sure do not know a lot about cans.

And after you make a complaint about the majority of the cans being in terrible condition and improperly made, you have this young, pimple-faced, teen with a slight overbite and flock-of-seagals haircut telling you in a shrill, weasel-like voice that you are wrong, that there is no criteria for making a good can, that the Canned Bread Store sells bread and bread accesories and talks to you about how silly it would be not to sell glass slippers at that store.

What does this all have to do with Steam and shovelware? Simple, the majority of the games on steam are McGames, and that means those games were made by talentless developers trying to make a quick buck. They look at what's popular and replicates it without thought or reason. They are not games but cash ins to suck in the gullible and those without taste or standards.
Yeah, no due to me not going into the canned carrot store to begin with due to not liking carrots at all. See how that works. I dislike something so I ignore it. Something that apparently, a few gamers here who wish to complain cannot do.

Are there buggy games? Sure, it is part and parcel of the industry. Will games be released with game stopping bugs? Again, sure. A good developer will fix them. If not, people will remember and may or may not buy from said developer again.

As far as your claim to McGames on Steam, get used to it. From the sounds of things, the only games you like come from large publishers. Newsflash, they are not releasing as many games as they used to. This year, you will be lucky to get 33 new games from them and at least 3 of them will not even be released on Steam due to being from Electronic Arts. While you wait on a few games you may want to buy out of those 33, which may not even be worth the $40-60 they ask for them, others will be playing something out of the other 120 games that will be released by smaller developers.
Since you can just mark games as ''Not interested'' on their page, I really don't see why would we complain.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Asteo600:
Since you can just mark games as ''Not interested'' on their page, I really don't see why would we complain.
I think the main goal is to get Steam to exercise some type of 'Quality Control', so that games like Air Control and Slaughtering Grounds can't get on here so easily.
The other guys think they're saying they want Steam to lock everything down and stop letting people put games on it period or something, so they naturally don't listen.
But ooooh well
Ursprünglich geschrieben von 『Wrath』 MoonzWolf:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Asteo600:
Since you can just mark games as ''Not interested'' on their page, I really don't see why would we complain.
I think the main goal is to get Steam to exercise some type of 'Quality Control', so that games like Air Control and Slaughtering Grounds can't get on here so easily.
The other guys think they're saying they want Steam to lock everything down and stop letting people put games on it period or something, so they naturally don't listen.
But ooooh well

Yea....it is so easy for games like that to get on Steam. There have been so many! Like.....2. The issue is that the world isn't sunshine and rainbows and your "Quality Control" would end up screwing more stuff up instead of making anything better.
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Can anyone who advocates for "quality control" please name not just a handful but like 50 or so current Steam games that they think shouldn't be in the Store? And give reasons for each.

Note that (I heard) Steam just broke the 5000 title mark so 50 is just 1% of the store's offerings, but it's still a significant number, more than the handful of examples that people keep citing. Two posts up is the first time I'd heard of Slaughtering Grounds, but I usually just hear examples like Bad Rats, Air Control, Desert Gunner, Grass Simulator, The War Z, Day One Garry's Incident, etc. -- just the same ones over and over again. Sometimes I'm wondering whether people just hear about the bad games, see a few Youtube videos, and then start calling it a problem themselves without having run into it themselves.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von supertrooper225:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von 『Wrath』 MoonzWolf:
I think the main goal is to get Steam to exercise some type of 'Quality Control', so that games like Air Control and Slaughtering Grounds can't get on here so easily.
The other guys think they're saying they want Steam to lock everything down and stop letting people put games on it period or something, so they naturally don't listen.
But ooooh well

Yea....it is so easy for games like that to get on Steam. There have been so many! Like.....2. The issue is that the world isn't sunshine and rainbows and your "Quality Control" would end up screwing more stuff up instead of making anything better.
Just because I give only two examples of the games doesn't mean only two exist you ignorant blob. I'm done posting here, anyways. You're incapable of so much as understanding anything anyone says, let alone responding to them properly. You're only here to troll people, and that's it.
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