Why Putting Trust in Steam is so Difficult.

[76561199559798421]

There are just so many weird things that go on within the steam forum.

My faith in steam is completely shattered from extremely poor games reaching top popularity on steam, to talks of dropping operating systems.

The lack of faith i have for steam is disturbing , it creates several issues, one is i am less likely to purchase anything on a platform i don't trust.

From what i have read on the steam forums time and time again is users declaring they want to sue steam, that steam defrauded them.

these are just some obvious things that show up on the steam forum all the time that has ruined my trust in steam, there are many others things as well.

But, how do you trust a company that uses its own player base to try and shield it from the public opinion. The reality is, is this statement is public opinion.

Steam is a extremely weird platform, and i can't wait to see all the people that show up to try and defend it.

[Just A Threat Echo]

I see what might be of concern. Then again steam has no real competition that doesn't have a red nose and brightly coloured wig on it's head.

No other platform seems to do what steam does, be it reviews, a semblance of a discussion board, anti NFT/crypto stance (Let's face it that stuff is just a scam) and simple things like having a user profile along with general customisation.

An example of how easy it is to fall into pitfalls when making a platform seem numerous and what's to say that when you are the best choice, you stay true. That goes for any big companies in any industry. I know that certain things are indeed pushed on here and the best thing to do is just not interact with corporate slop as people are starting to see past their fake promises and rubbish products. Info suppressing is a lofty accusation among this.

For example, as it had allegedly the most pro consumer mission, epic. Came out swinging a little threw a bunch of money everywhere vowing to push steam off of it's thrown stating that gamers would save money, devs would make more money and that everyone would be happy.

It started weak with as a barely functional platform and is now semi-acceptable but still lacks things like proper reviews and profile customisation etc.
They seem to of given up on making a proud, feature complete platform and have just gone back to fortnite, throwing money at IPs and accepting big dev companies like UBISOFT, gearbox etc into their epic exclusive deals, that were originally targeting smaller ones to help finance their projects, to hide how bad their titles are for example SR reboot OR just outright trying to poach them from steam to drag people over to them. Not to mention that the games which take exclusivity deals are just tossed into the void. Nobody knows that they even release.

Wherever you look, companies and their followings are never going to be perfect and their masks are forever falling off. It's good to voice concerns but, let's be real, This isn't the place for it. Trust is indeed a thing but throughout human history, money always outweighs it.

What if this post is taken down?

[76561199559798421]

well its a respectful post so that wouldn't surprise me.

I have to agree on a lot of the things you say, however we all can't just look away and pretend to not notice them , because that is why things have got so bad.

from what i remember was epic didn't want to pay steam that 30% cut on a milt million dollar game profit which for what they paid making there own platform was less then what steam would of taken from them.

even with all the gifting of games over the years which i personally enjoy because it gave users a chance to enjoy games without having a hefty out of pocket experience that ruins the enjoyment of even playing the games.

I can understand what your saying though, all of this content is beyond the user and even steam doesn't want to recognize it and would sooner rather sweep it under the rug then to have it brought to light or have to deal with it.

That in itself is the major issue though its deceitful to act that way when you profit, its required that the company truthfully declare products so the user experience can be the best it can.

there is no perfect solution, but a company that intentionally turns on its users has to expect its users to turn on them. That in a nut shell if what is going on within steam. While individually how can any of us compare or declare anything against a company like steam.

We can't so we have to voice our opinions and offer insight not to ruin the company to but try and open the eye's of those that operate it and control it. We are all just a army of ants, marching up a massive mountain that is Steam.

But there are other mountains now and the travel up the those hills might be easier. in the mean while the massive mountain know as steam is shrinking as the ants all move out. and its starting to show the barren landscape , the empty holes left behind in the publishes that couldn't profit and the products that don't sell.

we have to expect these things to be taken down, simply because the truth would ruin steam, again its all about the trust factor. What keeps people here vs them going to some other platform.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por Just A Threat Echo:

I see what might be of concern. Then again steam has no real competition that doesn't have a red nose and brightly coloured wig on it's head.

No other platform seems to do what steam does, be it reviews, a semblance of a discussion board, anti NFT/crypto stance (Let's face it that stuff is just a scam) and simple things like having a user profile along with general customisation.

An example of how easy it is to fall into pitfalls when making a platform seem numerous and what's to say that when you are the best choice, you stay true. That goes for any big companies in any industry. I know that certain things are indeed pushed on here and the best thing to do is just not interact with corporate slop as people are starting to see past their fake promises and rubbish products. Info suppressing is a lofty accusation among this.

For example, as it had allegedly the most pro consumer mission, epic. Came out swinging a little threw a bunch of money everywhere vowing to push steam off of it's thrown stating that gamers would save money, devs would make more money and that everyone would be happy.

It started weak with as a barely functional platform and is now semi-acceptable but still lacks things like proper reviews and profile customisation etc.
They seem to of given up on making a proud, feature complete platform and have just gone back to fortnite, throwing money at IPs and accepting big dev companies like UBISOFT, gearbox etc into their epic exclusive deals, that were originally targeting smaller ones to help finance their projects, to hide how bad their titles are for example SR reboot OR just outright trying to poach them from steam to drag people over to them. Not to mention that the games which take exclusivity deals are just tossed into the void. Nobody knows that they even release.

Wherever you look, companies and their followings are never going to be perfect and their masks are forever falling off. It's good to voice concerns but, let's be real, This isn't the place for it. Trust is indeed a thing but throughout human history, money always outweighs it.

What if this post is taken down?

There's a history of conspiracies and baseless claims.

[Thermal Lance]

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

Originalmente postado por Just A Threat Echo:

I see what might be of concern. Then again steam has no real competition that doesn't have a red nose and brightly coloured wig on it's head.

No other platform seems to do what steam does, be it reviews, a semblance of a discussion board, anti NFT/crypto stance (Let's face it that stuff is just a scam) and simple things like having a user profile along with general customisation.

An example of how easy it is to fall into pitfalls when making a platform seem numerous and what's to say that when you are the best choice, you stay true. That goes for any big companies in any industry. I know that certain things are indeed pushed on here and the best thing to do is just not interact with corporate slop as people are starting to see past their fake promises and rubbish products. Info suppressing is a lofty accusation among this.

For example, as it had allegedly the most pro consumer mission, epic. Came out swinging a little threw a bunch of money everywhere vowing to push steam off of it's thrown stating that gamers would save money, devs would make more money and that everyone would be happy.

It started weak with as a barely functional platform and is now semi-acceptable but still lacks things like proper reviews and profile customisation etc.
They seem to of given up on making a proud, feature complete platform and have just gone back to fortnite, throwing money at IPs and accepting big dev companies like UBISOFT, gearbox etc into their epic exclusive deals, that were originally targeting smaller ones to help finance their projects, to hide how bad their titles are for example SR reboot OR just outright trying to poach them from steam to drag people over to them. Not to mention that the games which take exclusivity deals are just tossed into the void. Nobody knows that they even release.

Wherever you look, companies and their followings are never going to be perfect and their masks are forever falling off. It's good to voice concerns but, let's be real, This isn't the place for it. Trust is indeed a thing but throughout human history, money always outweighs it.

What if this post is taken down?

There's a history of conspiracies and baseless claims.

Man must be ordering tinfoil in bulk at this rate.

I'm kind of worried about his neck given the size of that hat.

[76561199559798421]

i can understand its hurts steams ego when honest declarations about its platform and its service is provided in detail to the masses, nobody is interest in how much money steam is losing , we are only interested in the quality of the platform, not its profits.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por Everyone is Invited:

i can understand its hurts steams ego when honest declarations about its platform and its service is provided in detail to the masses, nobody is interest in how much money steam is losing , we are only interested in the quality of the platform, not its profits.

Still waiting for the honest declarations.

[Ethanol]

Whole post is basically just "that's your opinion, my guy"

Most of those who complain about moderators, unfair bans, demands refund after using product more than 2 to 3 digit hours, non-existent issues hyped up by whining, and non-stop hating Steam while still using it.

[MrDammit]

You can "trust" Steam to be your standard, for profit corporation.
And while there's plenty of marketing stunts here, it's primarily the users that make it weird.

[Arkham99]

Originalmente postado por MrDammit:

it's primarily the users that make it weird.

and its the users who make it special too...:-)

[Start_Running]

Originalmente postado por MrDammit:

You can "trust" Steam to be your standard, for profit corporation.
And while there's plenty of marketing stunts here, it's primarily the users that make it weird.

Marketing stunts are pretty transparent but you know people. They love that dopamine and endorphin cocktail that hype gives them and are loathe to give it up no matter how many times they disappoint themselves

[Kiryn]

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Originalmente postado por MrDammit:

You can "trust" Steam to be your standard, for profit corporation.
And while there's plenty of marketing stunts here, it's primarily the users that make it weird.

Marketing stunts are pretty transparent but you know people. They love that dopamine and endorphin cocktail that hype gives them and are loathe to give it up no matter how many times they disappoint themselves

Yep. I keep remembering the silly story about how some chain got a new CEO who said "all this constant sale stuff is stupid, let's just give actual 'everyday low prices'." Sales dropped, profits bombed, etc. So they went back to labeling everything with higher prices plus big "SALE! 30% off!" signs. And the customers came back. Even though the prices were the same either way.


But none of this is new, or exclusive to the internet. We've had "limited time! Rush in now, before it's gone!" FOMO, in regular stores, for decades before the net existed. Along with every other kind of sale or promo.
(heck, even "random loot boxes", er, I mean "grab bags". :D )



. . . actually, most of the other stuff f2p mobile games do, arcades did in the 80's, too. Gotta exchange your real $ for exclusive currency (tokens) to play the games. And if you spend more $ at once, you get more tokens per dollar. And then you can grind out other currencies (tickets) on the Skee Ball and other carnival machines, so you can exchange absurd amounts of them for cheap merch at the prize counter. Oh, and plenty of "Game Over! Insert coin to continue?" 'pay to win'. Plus PvP (fighting games) to encourage people to keep shoving in tokens to try to beat that guy in another match.


So, yeah. None of this is new.

[Amaterasu]

Originalmente postado por Kiryn:

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Marketing stunts are pretty transparent but you know people. They love that dopamine and endorphin cocktail that hype gives them and are loathe to give it up no matter how many times they disappoint themselves

Yep. I keep remembering the silly story about how some chain got a new CEO who said "all this constant sale stuff is stupid, let's just give actual 'everyday low prices'." Sales dropped, profits bombed, etc. So they went back to labeling everything with higher prices plus big "SALE! 30% off!" signs. And the customers came back. Even though the prices were the same either way.


But none of this is new, or exclusive to the internet. We've had "limited time! Rush in now, before it's gone!" FOMO, in regular stores, for decades before the net existed. Along with every other kind of sale or promo.
(heck, even "random loot boxes", er, I mean "grab bags". :D )



. . . actually, most of the other stuff f2p mobile games do, arcades did in the 80's, too. Gotta exchange your real $ for exclusive currency (tokens) to play the games. And if you spend more $ at once, you get more tokens per dollar. And then you can grind out other currencies (tickets) on the Skee Ball and other carnival machines, so you can exchange absurd amounts of them for cheap merch at the prize counter. Oh, and plenty of "Game Over! Insert coin to continue?" 'pay to win'. Plus PvP (fighting games) to encourage people to keep shoving in tokens to try to beat that guy in another match.


So, yeah. None of this is new.

Humans are easily manipulated species. It's a well known fact. I keep trying to say this... but as someone who has had first hand experience being on both sides... trying to convince someone that's being manipulated that someone is manipulating them is more difficult than breaking down a brick wall with only your face.

[Aya]

Myself, I feel like I'm the only one who seems to take note of just how easy it is for one's Steam library to disappear. In fact, didn't the first Friday of the 2016 CHRISTMAS SALE have everyone's library disappear?

If there is a game I'm interested in and has a day one GOG release, I know I'll be less likely to get it on Steam since I'd be able to download an installer and put it on external media in case I wanna play it again

[Start_Running]

Originalmente postado por Aya:

Myself, I feel like I'm the only one who seems to take note of just how easy it is for one's Steam library to disappear. In fact, didn't the first Friday of the 2016 CHRISTMAS SALE have everyone's library disappear?

That was not a thing that happened.

Originalmente postado por Aya:

If there is a game I'm interested in and has a day one GOG release, I know I'll be less likely to get it on Steam since I'd be able to download an installer and put it on external media in case I wanna play it again

And thusly you have to maintain and secure the health of that external media. One fire . One break in..opne careless 5 year old and poof.

Originalmente postado por Kiryn:

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Marketing stunts are pretty transparent but you know people. They love that dopamine and endorphin cocktail that hype gives them and are loathe to give it up no matter how many times they disappoint themselves

Yep. I keep remembering the silly story about how some chain got a new CEO who said "all this constant sale stuff is stupid, let's just give actual 'everyday low prices'." Sales dropped, profits bombed, etc. So they went back to labeling everything with higher prices plus big "SALE! 30% off!" signs. And the customers came back. Even though the prices were the same either way.

The JC Penny effect.,
Yeah they actually did the honorable thing that did not manipulate and decieve consujmers. and what happened. We see the same thing on Steam with people lamenting and wishing Flash sales were a thing again...People can be stupid.

I mean there's a reason the American Society of Mathematicians has been pretty much banned from hosting their conventions in Las Vegas.

Originalmente postado por Kiryn:

. . . actually, most of the other stuff f2p mobile games do, arcades did in the 80's, too.

Yup. Those who know, know that arcades were the OG MTX. and P2W schemes. This is why if you play most arcade games you'll notice that they are in no way fair.. Hell SNK Boss syndrom was the perfect example of this. Tegh Bosses in Most SNK Fighting games Cheat like Mofos.

And Double Dragon 3 in arcades had literal in game shops where yyou bought power ups, lives, and moves foryour character (which are kind of important in a beatemup) by plunking in actual tokens/coins into the arcade machine. in addition to what you paid to play :P

The young uns act like things got bad now, but really those of us who've been around know what the truith is. This ♥♥♥♥'s been going on since day 1.

Which is why we know that trust is earned.

Me M I trust Steam to hold up it's end of the contract.. and I don't expect anything more than that. I have yet to be disappointed.

Originalmente postado por sungoddess14:

Humans are easily manipulated species. It's a well known fact. I keep trying to say this... but as someone who has had first hand experience being on both sides... trying to convince someone that's being manipulated that someone is manipulating them is more difficult than breaking down a brick wall with only your face.

People who think they're too smart to be fooled are usually the easiest people to fool.
People whio know they can be fooled tend to scruitinize their decision making processes and are much harder to fool. They ask

Thuis is ironically why you keep having overhyoped games and massive disappointments happening so regularly. It's like the worlkd collectively forgets what happened the last 5 times the senario played out.

[Thermal Lance]

Originalmente postado por sungoddess14:

Originalmente postado por Kiryn:

Yep. I keep remembering the silly story about how some chain got a new CEO who said "all this constant sale stuff is stupid, let's just give actual 'everyday low prices'." Sales dropped, profits bombed, etc. So they went back to labeling everything with higher prices plus big "SALE! 30% off!" signs. And the customers came back. Even though the prices were the same either way.


But none of this is new, or exclusive to the internet. We've had "limited time! Rush in now, before it's gone!" FOMO, in regular stores, for decades before the net existed. Along with every other kind of sale or promo.
(heck, even "random loot boxes", er, I mean "grab bags". :D )



. . . actually, most of the other stuff f2p mobile games do, arcades did in the 80's, too. Gotta exchange your real $ for exclusive currency (tokens) to play the games. And if you spend more $ at once, you get more tokens per dollar. And then you can grind out other currencies (tickets) on the Skee Ball and other carnival machines, so you can exchange absurd amounts of them for cheap merch at the prize counter. Oh, and plenty of "Game Over! Insert coin to continue?" 'pay to win'. Plus PvP (fighting games) to encourage people to keep shoving in tokens to try to beat that guy in another match.


So, yeah. None of this is new.

Humans are easily manipulated species. It's a well known fact. I keep trying to say this... but as someone who has had first hand experience being on both sides... trying to convince someone that's being manipulated that someone is manipulating them is more difficult than breaking down a brick wall with only your face.

It's easier to fool someone than to make them realise they have been fooled.