I wish these drm games had an option to install from a disc

[nashiem]

I dont see why I had to purchase a second hard drive just to back up my games so when I format my os drive, I did not have to spend 12 hours downloading games. There should be some way to download an install of a game you want and put it on a dvd or blu-ray, whatever so you dont have to waste time downloading hours worth of games. DRM is a nightmare, whats going to happen when games get to 50gb, ac4 is already a 25gb download. Almost any new game is around 8 gb which takes an hour because there is no dedicated server and the transfer is capped at 3mb/sec. I mean come on already lets look to the future, no one likes DRM but at least do it in a way in which it does not inhibit the gamer who purchased the game from playing it because there C: drive is being reformatted.

[Raiden]

What.

The moar you know: Steam has a backup feature. You make it, then you burn it. For everything else just burn the files and then restore them.

[Kargor]

You can just copy the game folder, or use the Steam backup function to create a backup.

[nashiem]

That is great, what about origins, uplay. I know steam has a backup feature, in truth its easier to just have a second hard drive, with steam you dont even need to back up registry strings. Uplay sucks, the games desktop shortcuts dont launch the games, and then you have to navigate through menues to get the game you want to play. Origins is in between yes you have to backup the registry strings for multiple registry folders, but at least the desktop shortcuts work. Batt.net is good, no registry backup and launches without a hitch I have yet to try ai net, but DRM sucks all around. I understand the idea behind it, but it sucks, and you can get around it anyway. Even before sims 4 came out there was a no drm hack. Whats the point of DRM if you can bypass it easier than when you had to go through secrom and safe disk. If I wanted to I could bypass all the games I play from ever opening there drm counterparts. and many other people already do. soon it will get to a point when people will start doing it more just because its easier than screwing around with diffrent programs and having to connect to the internet. Its a total hassle, but we will see what the future holds.

[Sorceress]

Yes I would love that much faster downloading

[Discussions_Acc]

Just create a second partition then...

[nashiem]

you are missing the point. Why should I have to waste my hard drive space just storing the games. or what I have already done and bought a second ssd 512gb just so I dont have to download the full install of all these games. yes you could go with a partitioned hard drive, or a second hard drive, all of that is fine, but then you have to know what reg keys to back up and still have 3 or 4 drm services. plus one other bit of information, why are we paying full prices for these games when there is no actual dvd or manual in the form of a tangible object. They are saving a lot of money on mass producing and distrabution and still the games went up 10 dollars over the last 8 years or so, give or take. pc games have always been 50 dollars, now its all 60 and there is no purchasing and distrabution. I like having a backup online in case something happens but no one can tell me that if I wanted to make a backup of a install for a game that, that cannot be done. DRM is out of controll not needed and we are being scammed if we buy a digital version wh should get a discount instead we now also get hit with tax.

[ KARR™]

Originally posted by nashiem:

you are missing the point. blah blah

You don't need to. Online retailers allow you to create backups, Steam does, Origin lets you save the installation files on the drive so you can reinstall or back up at your will. uPplay doesn't have one, but the trick of backing it up THEN starting the download...pausing and pasting the files in works perfectly.

You pay full prices because that is the price of the game. Yes they may have to create books/disks etc. but they are very cheap in mass production. Also add on the 30% cut that Valve takes from the sale and the publishers are going to push up the prices. They also have to pay for bandwidth and servers to store the games and keep the platform going etc. At the end of the day on Steam - PUBLISHERS SET PRICES. So they choose what you pay.

Games are WAY WAY WAYYYY cheaper than they used to be. Maybe pc games were always x price, but back in MS-DOS days that was paying for a floppy disk with 1Mb of information on. These days it pays for a blu-ray or dvd FULL of hi-def sounds, HD graphics, etc. You get what you pay for.

[Ranko]

I think it'd be easier if when I buy a retail disc, that it had the game content on it rather than downloading AND activating online. I'm fine with online activation, it's the fact that I have game discs with nothing more than a URL that bugs me :P

[CloudGT4]

To be fair I see the guys point.. I just paid 125 bucks for a "Super Collectors Edition" of ESO, and poped in 4 install disc for 125mb of data copied to my pc, and then had to wait 3 days for updates and another 11 gigs of data installed to my hdd.. Most people live on budgets and have maybe at best 500gig HDDs, of which seem to magically die if you install over 300gigs too them.. BSoD reinstall start over.. This is the point I think the dude is trying to say... We all understand the game costs money, but back in the day you paid 50 bucks because of printed instructions and a box, and cost of disc plus the game... Now you pay 50 bucks for a capped download, and a pixle instruction manual if the game even has that.... then 3000 more dollars on DLC to get a FULL 100% gameing experiance. But to back all that up I have to go buy my own disc now and wait hours for it to install... Yes these imo are legit gripes with todays gaming not something to try and troll a user who is voicing his opinion.. Does anyone realize F2P is not free.. Half the games you can't chat on with out paying 2,99 a month.. or use the auction house without paying 7.99 a month.... thats not gaming or cheaper then the 14 bucks a month subscription of WoW or ESO.. Let alone the fact that some people still live in areas of the world where only 1mb DSL is available not 105 mb Cable.... Stuff should have retail boxed discs still available to buy and install from. Specially if a game is 25mb big.. DRM does suck when your on a metered connection and can't download but 250mb a day also before being capped at 25 kb/s also..
TL:DR Nashiem has a good point and valid argument.

[nashiem]

All this being siad, it seems to me that we are moving forward in time and taking giant steps backwards. I understand drm, but why is it so complicated. Steam has simplified the issue, you can backup installed games onto disks if you want to and yes you can download 95% of a uplay game and save that file if you really want to. But why should I have to? Diablo3 is so simple, you save the game files, and then you just play it after a os format. thats it, it works. I guess I liked things much better 10 years ago, when I would drive to the store on a tuesday when the game came out bought it waited 20 min. for the install and played it. Now you pre order a game and on uplay that means you dont get it (at least for me) until 6 hours after midnight, than have to wait 2 hours to download, then update, the in the case of the sims 4 it totally sucks(:. . I have a 512 gb 850pro, its about 1/4 used up. not bad, but what about future. I guess most people dont care for me I re-format my os at least 5 times a year, just to clean it up. when you add all the games up that would be like 28 hours of download time. something needs to be done to make this whole process easier for the end user.

[Hamez]

Originally posted by nashiem:

That is great, what about origins, uplay. I know steam has a backup feature, in truth its easier to just have a second hard drive, with steam you dont even need to back up registry strings. Uplay sucks, the games desktop shortcuts dont launch the games, and then you have to navigate through menues to get the game you want to play. Origins is in between yes you have to backup the registry strings for multiple registry folders, but at least the desktop shortcuts work. Batt.net is good, no registry backup and launches without a hitch I have yet to try ai net, but DRM sucks all around. I understand the idea behind it, but it sucks, and you can get around it anyway. Even before sims 4 came out there was a no drm hack. Whats the point of DRM if you can bypass it easier than when you had to go through secrom and safe disk. If I wanted to I could bypass all the games I play from ever opening there drm counterparts. and many other people already do. soon it will get to a point when people will start doing it more just because its easier than screwing around with diffrent programs and having to connect to the internet. Its a total hassle, but we will see what the future holds.

Steams got its backup. Origin sometimes downloads the install folder, which you can re install a game by running setup.exe from that folder, otherwise you can just copy all games from the Origin Games Folder, and then when you wipe your pc start downloading the games to roughly about 1%, then copy those game folders back into the origin game folder.
Uplay downloads install.exes, so just copy those off.

[InFusIon]

there is that option but its a computer thing, steam has nothing to do with it. you might want to look into something called a 'cd burner'. and if im understanding you are blaming steam because you dont have the ability to burn games onto disc. you can. you can also copy entire game files and run them offline. and if the .exe isnt running after that means the game prevented you from illegally pirating it. steam didnt do that.