Less tolerance for scum Developers

[SK]

Developers release fake updates to avoid the early-access warning, Knowing they're abusing the system, And some out of early-access developers just release fake updates to stay relevant,

[Aluvard]

Reign of Kings is not an early access, but a game that was released in 2015.

KSP2 is failed early access - warning about such risks etc. is included in blue box. It also contains 1 important suggestion: "you're unwilling to take a risk, wait till game is released".

Cities Skylines is not early access too.

[eram]

Doesn't bother me at all. I always know the risks when purchasing early access titles

[SK]

Originally posted by Aluvard:

Reign of Kings is not early access, but a game that was released in 2015.

KSP2 is failed early access - warning about such risks etc. is included in blue box. It also containst 1 important suggestion: "you're unwilling to take a risk, wait till game is released".

Cities Skylines is not early access too.

I meant problems in general, Not specifically Early access, And i could have sworn ROK was early access a while ago,

Also we are still consumers, I hate the anti consumer mindset of 'taking risk', You're still expecting a product, And this post is talking about abuse of the system, Taking a risk is irrelevant, the blame should still be fully put on the people who publish it

[SK]

Originally posted by eram:

Doesn't bother me at all. I always know the risks when purchasing early access titles

Risk shouldn't be the consumers worry, That's what this post is about, Its still the publishers fault.

[eram]

Originally posted by SK:

Originally posted by eram:

Doesn't bother me at all. I always know the risks when purchasing early access titles

Risk shouldn't be the consumers worry, That's what this post is about, Its still the publishers fault.

You dont get to be a wreckless consumer either expecting everyone to bow to you. Give and take.

[xBCxRangers]

Well again, this a "game industry" issue, and as a console main player i can attest its happening there. There is one development team, who i feel are bonafide thieves.

Where i think they put out these nothingburger updates to fulfill a contract they may have with their publisher. But the updates since they literally broke the game more than a year ago, has done literally nothing. Yet they come out every other month.

The only way for Steam, or Xbox or anyone to really get a gauge as to who the thieves are, are for those thieves to be sued.

And it does not seem (not yet anyway) that we have enough power as consumers to have our government officials give us that power in effort to sue what are otherwise charlatans in this industry.

[SK]

Originally posted by eram:

Originally posted by SK:

Risk shouldn't be the consumers worry, That's what this post is about, Its still the publishers fault.

You dont get to be a wreckless consumer either expecting everyone to bow to you. Give and take.

Riiightt... Im so wreckless for buying from the company that made 6 of the worlds biggest and most profiting games ever, I should have totally expected them to do this, I guess I should write about how much i love jeff bezos to make up for my consumer wrecklessness

[eram]

Originally posted by SK:

Originally posted by eram:

You dont get to be a wreckless consumer either expecting everyone to bow to you. Give and take.

Riiightt... Im so wreckless for buying from the company that made 6 of the worlds biggest and most profiting games ever, I should have totally expected them to do this, I guess I should write about how much i love jeff bezos to make up for my consumer wrecklessness

Sounds.like you got your monies worth

[Chika Ogiue]

Originally posted by SK:

Reign-of-Kings, Still available for purchase, They recently released a fake-update in order to negate the early-access warning note for when games haven't been updated for a while.

Game isn't Early Access so they weren't negating anything. They didn't need to. Also, there's no such thing as abandonware.

[SK]

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:

Originally posted by SK:

Reign-of-Kings, Still available for purchase, They recently released a fake-update in order to negate the early-access warning note for when games haven't been updated for a while.

Game isn't Early Access so they weren't negating anything. They didn't need to. Also, there's no such thing as abandonware.

Explain how there is no such thing as 'abandonware'

[Komarimaru]

Unfortunately, people need to also do their own research to see if a game will truly be worth it. People warned about Codehatch over the years, rabid fans still bought a game from them for reign of kings.

Kerbal 2, I was suspicious of from the beginning, as were others after some research.

City Skylines, the only time I've heard of game not loading was due to too many mods and not enough power on the PC to load them, or files need verified.

[Wolfpig]

Originally posted by SK:

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:

Game isn't Early Access so they weren't negating anything. They didn't need to. Also, there's no such thing as abandonware.

Explain how there is no such thing as 'abandonware'

It is a Word created to justify the illegal obtaining of games which are not sold anymore....nothing more.

[SK]

Originally posted by Wolfpig:

Originally posted by SK:

Explain how there is no such thing as 'abandonware'

It is a Word created to justify the illegal obtaining of games which are not sold anymore....nothing more.

or ''computer software that is no longer distributed or supported by the developer or copyright holder.'' which is the definition it is more commonly mentioned by

[SK]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Unfortunately, people need to also do their own research to see if a game will truly be worth it. People warned about Codehatch over the years, rabid fans still bought a game from them for reign of kings.

Kerbal 2, I was suspicious of from the beginning, as were others after some research.

City Skylines, the only time I've heard of game not loading was due to too many mods and not enough power on the PC to load them, or files need verified.

Again we are consumers, We shouldn't be expected to do too much research before buying a product on the biggest gaming platform in the world,

Ironically, If i were to recommend ideas in this forum before steam added them, i'd get backlash as usual, But if steam adds the idea, People would suddenly start defending it

[nullable]

Originally posted by SK:

I don't know why steam doesn't already do this, But it would be nice if they cracked down on developers who abuse steams systems and don't deliver games after making a quick buck,

Reign-of-Kings, Still available for purchase, They recently released a fake-update in order to negate the early-access warning note for when games haven't been updated for a while.

Well your opinions about the merit of individual updates might not be important.

Originally posted by SK:

KSP2, Studio is dissolved, Nobody is there to work on it, Still up for almost full price!

The IP owner still has the right to manage and sell the game for however much they want.

https://www.polygon.com/news/475635/private-division-sold

Someone owns it and pretending that a studio shutting down takes away someone's ownership rights is well, naive and ignorant. When you buy the KSP IP you can price the game however you want.

Originally posted by SK:

Cities skylines, Not a universal problem, But a ton of people can simply not launch the game without modding it in order to force it to work, which shouldn't be up to the consumer,

Tell that to Bethesda and their open world games... but seriously you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall here. Regardless Cities Skylines has a 92% very positive rating with hundreds of thousands of reviews, even the recent ratings is 91% very positive. So... either the problem is widespread and other users don't agree with you. Or it's not as widespread/serious as you seem to be implying based on the reviews. Valve isn't going to penalize a wildly successful game that an vast majority of players rate positively because some user has opinions about mods.

Originally posted by SK:

What do you guys think of this wave of fake updates to avoid abandonware warnings? should we outright ban it? Reign of kings for example, Clearly just wanted to avoid it, so the argument of technicality shouldn't have much power

I think looking for ways and excuses to try and micro-manage other people's products and IP is weapons grade bolognium and Valve is never going to do it because they understand the issues better than users who think authoritarianism is a golden hammer.