Steam...on XBOX!?

[Monster]

HUH???

[Chika Ogiue]

Take everything with a grain of salt until an official announcement.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Escrito originalmente por Monster:

Steam...on XBOX!?

HUH???

You mean their console PC that just runs a modified Windows install?

Sure.

But you are days late for the leak.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/591765454927746907/?ctp=2#c601899481260113182

[ReBoot]

Would be cool if that happened. The less borders/walled gardens/closed ecosystems there are, the better for the customer.

[Princess Luna]

Where the HUH??? is any links?

[Princess Luna]

Escrito originalmente por ReBoot:

Would be cool if that happened. The less borders/walled gardens/closed ecosystems there are, the better for the customer.

better for the customer != better for the company. Nintendont dont want to make cheaper console games. Why do that if people will buy same boring mario anyway.

[Chika Ogiue]

Escrito originalmente por ReBoot:

Would be cool if that happened. The less borders/walled gardens/closed ecosystems there are, the better for the customer.

Compared to console store fronts, Steam is far more walled off than any of the others. On console you can (for the vast majority of the gaming world) make an account for any region without the need of a purchase to verify location or a VPN to spoof said location. Digitally, you can buy and play games from any region on all major current gen consoles as long as you have a valid billing method -- e.g. wallet funds. The only things off limits to out-of-region customers, is anything that requires an in-region credit card for purchase (for example, CERO Z rated digital games sold on Japanese store fronts). And region locks on physical media hasn't been a thing since the 3DS, PS3. Even with Game Pass, if you pay for a sub in a region where certain titles are region locked, all you need do is set your Xbox's region to one where the title is available, and voila! you can play it.

Looking at it from that perspective, I'm not sure how adding a draconian store front actually makes for less borders.

[ReBoot]

Escrito originalmente por Chika Ogiue:

Looking at it from that perspective, I'm not sure how adding a draconian store front actually makes for less borders.

Pretty simple. It's another option. There's games that are available on Steam but not on XBox (shocking, I know). So someone with an XBox could then get games they couldn't get before.

This goes further. Imagine an XBox player and a PC player playing together, including games that don't have own cross-play facilities!

More options equals less borders.

[Chika Ogiue]

Escrito originalmente por ReBoot:

Escrito originalmente por Chika Ogiue:

Looking at it from that perspective, I'm not sure how adding a draconian store front actually makes for less borders.

Pretty simple. It's another option. There's games that are available on Steam but not on XBox (shocking, I know). So someone with an XBox could then get games they couldn't get before.

This goes further. Imagine an XBox player and a PC player playing together, including games that don't have own cross-play facilities!

More options equals less borders.

This is all very much dependent on the specific circumstances of the player. In my region, more games are available on console than they are on Steam. Including many on Xbox that are not on Steam -- it's crazy, I know, even here, we have famously more PC gamers than Xbox, which consistently comes in last. Even in terms of pricing, games (and their DLC) can be cheaper on Xbox in my region than any other store front, with the biggest disparity being between Xbox and PC prices.

Snowrunner's Season 12 DLC is a great example of this:

Steam (& Epic): 1980 JPY
PlayStation store: 1680 JPY
Xbox store: 1450 JPY

As for cross-play, I'm doubtful that it will work out how you say. Keep in mind people have to pay to play online on Xbox. MS aren't likely to want Steam purchases on their console bypassing their Gold / Game Pass subs for online play. So I'd say it's more likely that any Steam based online game played via XBX would require Gold / Game Pass sub just as any Xbox game does now. MS aren't likely to want to lose that revenue stream.

So as I said in my original post in this topic, we need to wait for an official announcement to know what (if any) benefits there will be for people in any given market. There's also the possibility this will only be available in certain regions to start with.

But yes, it could be good for some, not everyone, but some.

[ReBoot]

Escrito originalmente por Chika Ogiue:

This is all very much dependent on the specific circumstances of the player. In my region, more games are available on console than they are on Steam. Including many on Xbox that are not on Steam -- it's crazy, I know, even here, we have famously more PC gamers than Xbox, which consistently comes in last. Even in terms of pricing, games (and their DLC) can be cheaper on Xbox in my region than any other store front, with the biggest disparity being between Xbox and PC prices.

Snowrunner's Season 12 DLC is a great example of this:

Steam (& Epic): 1980 JPY
PlayStation store: 1680 JPY
Xbox store: 1450 JPY

... and none of this would change or vanish! You would still keep all those options, SHOULD Steam come to XBox. Nobody's talking about Steam replacing the XBox ecosystem, merely amending. Since the more-open XBox ecosystem would remain as-is, unchanged, unrestricted, with another ecosystem merely joining (not replacing) the XBox ecosystem, this does equal more options/less borders.

Even if the new option is more restrictive than the already-present option, the fact that there's a new option equals more freedom, not less. Because it's an OPTION. Remember, you've said

Escrito originalmente por Chika Ogiue:

Looking at it from that perspective, I'm not sure how adding a draconian store front actually makes for less borders.

meaning you don't see how that's more freedom. Well, that's how it is more freedom: an additional option you could take or you could not take.

Escrito originalmente por Chika Ogiue:

So as I said in my original post in this topic, we need to wait for an official announcement to know what (if any) benefits there will be for people in any given market. There's also the possibility this will only be available in certain regions to start with.

Yes, my dude. That's why I said earlier "would be cool if that happened", not "will be cool when this happens".

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But yes, it could be good for some, not everyone, but some.

Since I never claimed this to be a huge win for literally every XBox player, we indeed agree on that one. I don't see any win for someone who a) plays GamePass anyway (henceforth doesn't run out of games to play anyway) and b) got no gaming buddies who don't have XBoxes themselves, to name an example.