Why should people be banned for claiming a game is crap?

[Long Niar™]

All over Steam forums I see people being banned and their comments removed for simply having an opinion or asking the 'wrong' questions.

Devs have the power to ban somebody for being critical of their game, which can trigger a wider Steam-wide community ban lasting a week, month, etc.

In fact, all over the internet as a whole I see this, and it is becoming a problem.

What use is the block button if nobody gets a chance to use it?
Why is everyone classed as 'trolling' if they do not go along with the 'official narrative'?
Is it wrong to have a personal opinion?

Just because somebody has a different opinion to you does not mean they are trolling, and does not mean they should be banned.

Just because your game is crap for example and people are asking about the crappy aspects of said game, does not mean they deserve a ban - it means you are a fraudster.

The censorship of the normal able-brained Steam user, and internet user as a whole, is out of control, and is absurd.

I would like to see a day where smooth brained fools with an agenda are not behind censorship of true humanity.

Good day to you people.

[xBCxRangers]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

Think it's safe to assume there's a lot of AI out there engaging in report spam.

Right it doesn't really even take AI. You get a comment by a poster they may not like, if you look at their friends lists, it's all the same posters and people.

You get five of them press a report, now you have five reports from brigaders, not necessarily AI, and, they don't look or understand what they ban, and we end up paying the price.

And most importantly keep in mind, this ain't reddit. We are consumers who buy products here.

[Yskas]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

Think it's safe to assume there's a lot of AI out there engaging in report spam.

Right it doesn't really even take AI. You get a comment by a poster they may not like, if you look at their friends lists, it's all the same posters and people.

You get five of them press a report, now you have five reports from brigaders, not necessarily AI, and, they don't look or understand what they ban, and we end up paying the price.

And most importantly keep in mind, this ain't reddit. We are consumers who buy products here.

That last part is very true and many people in this business have found that out the hard way.

[Piston Smashed™]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

Here at Valve, bro?

The game hubs. There is more meaningless nonsense and bans no one can figure out why. I gave some examples as to why.

Here at Valve as explained, their moderators are located in Europe. And so it's no surprise, if a poster is spammed with reports on an english forum, there's a good chance they are not going to know what was even said. They press the ban button, and let it play out as it may.

You'd be surprised at how many people in Europe speak and understand English perfectly fine. I'd say most of them understand it far better than you, I'm sure I could ask some the difference between lease and license among other things and they'd be able to perfectly fine in understanding what was being asked, unlike some folks who claim to speak English as their primary language...

[xBCxRangers]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Piston Smashed™:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

The game hubs. There is more meaningless nonsense and bans no one can figure out why. I gave some examples as to why.

Here at Valve as explained, their moderators are located in Europe. And so it's no surprise, if a poster is spammed with reports on an english forum, there's a good chance they are not going to know what was even said. They press the ban button, and let it play out as it may.

You'd be surprised at how many people in Europe speak and understand English perfectly fine. I'd say most of them understand it far better than you, I'm sure I could ask some the difference between lease and license among other things and they'd be able to perfectly fine in understanding what was being asked, unlike some folks who claim to speak English as their primary language...

If this company is located in America, and the clientel are mostly Americans, it makes sense to have moderation located, in America.

[Mad Scientist]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:

That seems to intentionally leave important details that display a very different story.

I think it's been pointed out on countless occasions, they can't determine much of anything.

They took the appropriate actions, especially with everything in total being considered.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

They go by report spam here at Valve

Still false. Sometimes the same people get acted upon because they keep doing the same thing, even years later, especially trying to troll game hubs from outside game hubs.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

and on the hubs they may be accustomed to living behind the iron curtain, and don't have tolerance for anything but what their oligarchs wished for them in the past.

Or the game hubs are tired of ill-intent individuals and decide to remove the individual that has been given too many chances, meanwhile, the rest of the community discusses normally without issues.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Or some dictatorship down in South America on the verge of a coup. Or in Scandinavia or others do not share our values.

Has no relevance to the events in question.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

At the same time, we heard the same rhetoric from Activision Blizzard, that they do not at all go by report spam as far as banning people from their games, and so users did an experiment, and in fact proved, it's all about report spam.

People get banned from their games for cheating which includes macros used for cheating, and behavior that goes against the conduct listed on their pages. One single report, as usual, is all that matters especially for games with little to zero tolerance of ill-intent individuals.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

That last part is very true and many people in this business have found that out the hard way.

Though being a "customer" doesn't mean an individual can buy a game and be an intentional nuisance to the community.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

If this company is located in America, and the clientel are mostly Americans, it makes sense to have moderation located, in America.

If multiple teams from the USA, to game devs all punish the same few people, it's clear the same few people are the issue.

[DarkRooster]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Gamer:

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarkRooster:

Its not agree to disagree when you disallow calling something crap and then do it right after that. You sit on these forums all day, every single day for past month as i can tell and now you say ''i have no desire to waste time on..''

You have quite the authoritarian take, nobody else can criticize stuff, but you can whenever you please.

You can call things crap all you want, it still remains your OPINION, not a fact. There's a reason why there is the saying "One man's trash is another man's treasure". What's "crap" is purely subjective in a lot more cases than it isn't. I don't want to argue about opinions as they can only be changed with logic, facts and experience. How you FEEL about a game, movie or book is completely unimportant to anyone except you.

Lets ignore that you completely changed the topic or how we call moved goal posts.

What world do you live in where that is actually the case? Critical Drinker has at least a million people that care about his opinion. Most people care about Steam reviews opinions of absolute nobodies and these reviews are still the reason Steam stands above every other storefront for consumers.

Even my opinion that you think nobody cares about and is unimportant to anyone except me is not the case, when i rave about Devil Daggers, Hyper Demon or UFO 50 i got so many people to buy it. When i call something crap it can deter others from engaging with it.

There are a lot of opinions and feelings that a lot of people care about. What are you even trying to pull here by saying ''How you FEEL about a game, movie or book is completely unimportant to anyone except you'', i even cared about your authoritarian tendencies. People care and a lot.

[Yskas]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

I think it's been pointed out on countless occasions, they can't determine much of anything.

They took the appropriate actions, especially with everything in total being considered.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

They go by report spam here at Valve

Still false. Sometimes the same people get acted upon because they keep doing the same thing, even years later, especially trying to troll game hubs from outside game hubs.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

and on the hubs they may be accustomed to living behind the iron curtain, and don't have tolerance for anything but what their oligarchs wished for them in the past.

Or the game hubs are tired of ill-intent individuals and decide to remove the individual that has been given too many chances, meanwhile, the rest of the community discusses normally without issues.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Or some dictatorship down in South America on the verge of a coup. Or in Scandinavia or others do not share our values.

Has no relevance to the events in question.

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

At the same time, we heard the same rhetoric from Activision Blizzard, that they do not at all go by report spam as far as banning people from their games, and so users did an experiment, and in fact proved, it's all about report spam.

People get banned from their games for cheating which includes macros used for cheating, and behavior that goes against the conduct listed on their pages. One single report, as usual, is all that matters especially for games with little to zero tolerance of ill-intent individuals.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

That last part is very true and many people in this business have found that out the hard way.

Though being a "customer" doesn't mean an individual can buy a game and be an intentional nuisance to the community.

I've heard plenty of extreme political people find things they don't politically align with "annoying", sir.

[Piston Smashed™]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Piston Smashed™:

You'd be surprised at how many people in Europe speak and understand English perfectly fine. I'd say most of them understand it far better than you, I'm sure I could ask some the difference between lease and license among other things and they'd be able to perfectly fine in understanding what was being asked, unlike some folks who claim to speak English as their primary language...

If this company is located in America, and the clientel are mostly Americans, it makes sense to have moderation located, in America.

But Steam is global so it does not make any sense to have only Americans who speak English moderating everything because they would run in to the same problem you seem to think those in other countries have moderating the forums... a lack of understanding anything.

[Mad Scientist]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

I've heard plenty of extreme political people find things they don't politically align with "annoying", sir.

Which are people that tend to be shown the door from game hubs for detracting from discussing the games themselves. Kind of like why some people on these boards are so vocal against mods; because mods, support, game dev, game hub mods all tend to ban the same few people.

Also how when people are uncivil or leave no good feedback just trash-talking the devs and the product with nothing to give them on what they can do or fix to make it better, they can remove it and/or the individual; it goes back to what you say and how you say it.

[Shinoskay]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Gamer:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shinoskay:

they shouldnt, this is click bait

if its crap, its crap, ♥♥♥♥ saying it any other way.

"sir, this feels, smells, and looks like what I just dropped into my toilet"
it can get worse, be happy its not worse.

You, or anybody else isn't qualified to call someone else's work "crap". Do some creative work yourself and see how hard it is. You'll find that it's a lot harder to create something than to have a diarrhea of the mouth like ungrateful sods like you are having. (I replaced the word "lazy" with "ungrateful")

you dont know my qualifications, you are not qualified to tell me what I am or am not qualified to say or do.

[Mad Scientist]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shinoskay:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Gamer:

You, or anybody else isn't qualified to call someone else's work "crap". Do some creative work yourself and see how hard it is. You'll find that it's a lot harder to create something than to have a diarrhea of the mouth like ungrateful sods like you are having. (I replaced the word "lazy" with "ungrateful")

you dont know my qualifications, you are not qualified to tell me what I am or am not qualified to say or do.

The game hubs themselves and mods/support seem to differ on that opinion. Hence, why some people keep getting themselves into trouble for being uncivil and outright rude in how they write on a subject.

[Crazy Tiger]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Right it doesn't really even take AI. You get a comment by a poster they may not like, if you look at their friends lists, it's all the same posters and people.

You get five of them press a report, now you have five reports from brigaders, not necessarily AI, and, they don't look or understand what they ban, and we end up paying the price.

And most importantly keep in mind, this ain't reddit. We are consumers who buy products here.

That last part is very true and many people in this business have found that out the hard way.

Nah, it's not true on the forums. People are customers of the store, where they gain access to the games. The forums are just a privilege, nothing more.

For the forums it absolutely is meaningless that people purchase things.

[Yskas]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yskas:

I've heard plenty of extreme political people find things they don't politically align with "annoying", sir.

Which are people that tend to be shown the door from game hubs for detracting from discussing the games themselves. Kind of like why some people on these boards are so vocal against mods; because mods, support, game dev, game hub mods all tend to ban the same few people.

Also how when people are uncivil or leave no good feedback just trash-talking the devs and the product with nothing to give them on what they can do or fix to make it better, they can remove it and/or the individual; it goes back to what you say and how you say it.

You sound pretty ride or die "No negativity in the Dojo."

You're bad news.

[Piston Smashed™]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

And most importantly keep in mind, this ain't reddit. We are consumers who buy products here.

You buying one game since Windows 98, doesn't really make you a consumer who buys products.

[Shinoskay]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mad Scientist:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shinoskay:

you dont know my qualifications, you are not qualified to tell me what I am or am not qualified to say or do.

The game hubs themselves and mods/support seem to differ on that opinion. Hence, why some people keep getting themselves into trouble for being uncivil and outright rude in how they write on a subject.

youve said the same thing multiple times. it doesnt make you any more correct to repeat yourself ad naseum.