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Well, let's see. You said:
I don't think there's anything provably true here to begin with. You don't say what fascism is, just that everyone should know what it is. And then you say that it's "evil and needs to be combated". It's more an emotional statement than a rational one. And you strongly assert that seeing it differently is not valid.
I also dont see any "good" in it, id hazard that most folk would say "facism = bad" and history shows that to be the case.
What do you mean by "constant"? You are not going to interpret it in exactly the same way as everyone else. And when using it in a context, such as "XYZ is fascist", then some parts of it are going to matter more than others.
If you don't elaborate on any of that, then you just sort of assume that I see things like you do. But you don't know if that is true. And if I say "I agree, XYZ is fascist", then we would not even find out that we weren't thinking of the same things. That is not communication.
If the enemy leader says something is bad, then all followers must repeat it even if they don't understand it. It's a chain of hierarchy where they pat each other on the back to get power and avoid punishment.
Facts don't matter in such a situation and they can censor such facts and make facts illegal. That is why they will never reply with explanations. Their replies are always censorship and harassment and ad hominems. Now their leader is heading out the door and now we are going back to a time where facts matter again and can't be ignored.
That is much too vague to be meaningful. What is the "universal constant" here? That it is CALLED fascist? We still don't know what that means. And what is "the Third Reich"? A lot of things. Some of them relevant to the topic, other things unrelated. And so on.
You are satisfied with vague explanations because you presuppose a lot of things. You fill in the blanks and don't expect them to be filled in incorrectly.
That might work when you are with like-minded people, at least to a degree. I would still say it is not great. But when you are interacting with people who are not like you, you are just going to talk past each other.
Right, that's indeed what I am getting at. I have been careful to not call it "indoctrination" yet, but ultimately that's what it's about. At some point in a discussion, you are going to bump into one of these emotional barriers and it's near impossible to get around them. Usually it means the end of the conversation. And often in a less-than-friendly manner.
I don't like this trend either necessarily, but its gotten out of hand from the far-right user base on Steam. Everything is "woke" this, or "DEI" that and it's really obnoxious and unproductive. There is also a lot of undertones and sometimes outright stating bigotry and racism. And just in general a lot of people are getting tired of seeing the same far-right talking points; none of them make any sense, they are never relevant or on topic, they flood the game forums, and drown out legitimate discussions and topics.
So its best to just ban political discourse, I undestand why developers do it, and I think a lot of the time they would rather not, but one specific group of people always has to take it too far.
That's fine, just don't play that specific game then, it only becomes a problem when you make it a problem for everyone else; when you flood that specific games forum over and over again with how much you hate the developers and their game, and don't allow for anyone else to have actual discussion, it becomes really annoying quickly for everyone else who is able to handle things like normal functional adults.
Me? i dont want to waste anytime debating with racists or bigots (for example) about their opinions on gaming forums but we cant do nothing and let their views normalise.
All their bad takes on X or Y game is the same old, same old that the right wing have always complained about, first in books, then film, now this media and when we have Tri Dee Smellovision implants theyll be up in arms about the next culture war topic.
The moment they stop, the "pro woke" like me stop. I have other things id much rather devote my time to.
I still find myself talking about it
Game publishers can put whatever they want in their games and moderate their forums however they wish
People can vote with their wallet and buy good, perhaps lesser known games that don't have direct or very acute references to real world politics. This can be done in games, just make a game with a fictitious plot
I thought about politics once or twice playing half life 2. Did I get triggered? No, because the game depicts a fictional universe
However, some games are in the gamers face with their political beliefs, and if a game developer wants to make a game filled with politics, then those who want politics in their games will buy it....if it's a good game
Often the political messages or references are put in and the actual game is not enjoyable to play in how it's designed in terms of its world, what you need to do, etc.
I wanna play video games to forget for a while and not have to think about stuff that really upsets me. I'm pretty sure no one actually likes to discuss politics. Just grinds our gears...no one changes their mind unless money, yet we try to debate like there will be any difference lol
I dont mind if the lead person is of a different gender/race/religion/sex etc etc.
I too only really care if the game is good. If the story is dull and doesnt appeal but i enjoy the gameplay loops then i simply ignore the "story" and get on with having fun.
Arizona Sunrise is an example where the lead character is a "wisecraking zany SoB" but i found it awful, luckilly the devs added a switch of narration key Which made it far more fun, for me.
Other folk might have loved it and thats cool too.
To me, this is like having what the grumps call "pronouns", well we've always had those but hey, what can you do?
But in a game with what they call "pronouns" one can really easily ignore the fact they're there and indeed essentially "switch them off" by choosing your preferred one.
Yet, this is still offensive and apparently unacceptable to some people (and often their alts)
It boggles the mind.