What are people's opinions on DEI in the gaming industry?

[Myrth the Plague]

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With that said I personally only learned of DEI recently as a organization recently. I will say DEI has very good goals and I appreciate what they are trying to do in the gaming industry. Unfortunately the implementation needs work. Here are some good examples of DEI in the gaming industry (personal opinion):
-The Last of US II
-Dragon Age: Inquisition
-Baldur's Gate 3
-Cyberpunk 2077
-Spider-Man 2

Here are some bad examples of DEI in the gaming industry (personal opinion):
-Concord
-Dragon Age: Veilguard
-Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
-Battlefield V
-Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2

I should note that all the games I believe have bad examples of DEI were not all commercial failures and those that were I don't exclusively blame DEI for their failure. I would also like to note that i don't believe the games i think are good examples of DEI in gaming were successful exclusively for DEI. DEI is always good to have in game but here are some good things to keep in mind when it is included; is it accurate historically, does it effect lore or continuity, does it take focus away from the story, and does it improve the character(s) and make them more interesting.
When making a historical based game or a semi realistic game DEI should fit in with the appropriate time. If a character/person/group have a certain belief, gender, ethnicity, or orientation in one title it makes little sense that in the next title for that to change unless given a reason that feels like it appropriately fits the lore.
DEI should never be the focus of a game, the game should be the focus of the game and nothing else when anything takes the focus away from the game whether it is graphics, characters, or mechanics (i.e. controls, handling, etc.) the game is typically doomed to fail due to the focus being on on the game but an aspect of the game.
Making a character the fits DEI for the sole purpose of checking a box is wrong and almost always backfires, the mindset of "we need to have (X) character to make (X) group happy" is a horrible mindset to have and often leads to lazy writing and overall a unlikable character or game, make a character who is awesome for who they are DEI is not a personality it is apart of that person a trait if you will.
These are my honest opinions but i'd like to hear what other people think of DEI in gaming. DEI is good but i personally think it needs some work before we see games that have consistently good DEI implementation.

[John Henry Eden]

whenever i think of DEI, i think of 1930s germany brownshirts, and so does everyone else

[Straight White Male]

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Nguyên văn bởi coolboyz2626:

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

Democrats are right wing. We don't have a left wing in the united states. Hell, the democrats are to the right of me these days and I would've voted for McCain in the 2008 presidential election had I been registered to vote at the time. I didn't magically become a lefitst. I just instead of running to the right like everyone else did, decided to stay true to my own beliefs. There was an extremely brief time where the democrats would've been on the same point of the right-wing than I am before they sprinted to catch up to the Republicans.

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle. In fact, it's not just a white supremacist dog whistle. It's DARVO. The richest and most powerful men in this country, the people who truly run the government, not the puppet we vote into presidency every 4 years? Yeah, they're predominantly white, and men, and christian, and straight. And no, it's not a 51/49 split. It's more like a 99.9/0.1 split between those that are Straight White Christian Men... and the like... 2 or 3 people who aren't.

What news outlet do you get your information from?

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Nguyên văn bởi coolboyz2626:

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

Democrats are right wing. We don't have a left wing in the united states. Hell, the democrats are to the right of me these days and I would've voted for McCain in the 2008 presidential election had I been registered to vote at the time. I didn't magically become a lefitst. I just instead of running to the right like everyone else did, decided to stay true to my own beliefs. There was an extremely brief time where the democrats would've been on the same point of the right-wing than I am before they sprinted to catch up to the Republicans.

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle. In fact, it's not just a white supremacist dog whistle. It's DARVO. The richest and most powerful men in this country, the people who truly run the government, not the puppet we vote into presidency every 4 years? Yeah, they're predominantly white, and men, and christian, and straight. And no, it's not a 51/49 split. It's more like a 99.9/0.1 split between those that are Straight White Christian Men... and the like... 2 or 3 people who aren't.

That's what makes it racist and sexist.

Even if the illuminati that you are referring to really exist, and even if they are all white men, that doesn't mean the little white boy going to bed hungry every night should be denied access to the same aid offered to his peers, simply because he shares the same skin color and sex at birth as the members of your illuminati.

Just because people that look similar to him have wealth and privilege, that doesn't mean he should be discarded, and seen as unneeded, simply because of the color of his skin and the genitals he was born with.

They are not the same. That little boy is an individual, and you are judging him based on his race and sex, simply because he shares those with people in power. That is RACIST, and that is SEXIST.

[John Henry Eden]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Democrats are right wing. We don't have a left wing in the united states. Hell, the democrats are to the right of me these days and I would've voted for McCain in the 2008 presidential election had I been registered to vote at the time. I didn't magically become a lefitst. I just instead of running to the right like everyone else did, decided to stay true to my own beliefs. There was an extremely brief time where the democrats would've been on the same point of the right-wing than I am before they sprinted to catch up to the Republicans.

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle. In fact, it's not just a white supremacist dog whistle. It's DARVO. The richest and most powerful men in this country, the people who truly run the government, not the puppet we vote into presidency every 4 years? Yeah, they're predominantly white, and men, and christian, and straight. And no, it's not a 51/49 split. It's more like a 99.9/0.1 split between those that are Straight White Christian Men... and the like... 2 or 3 people who aren't.

That's what makes it racist and sexist.

Even if the illuminati that you are referring to really exist, and even if they are all white men, that doesn't mean the little white boy going to bed hungry every night should be denied access to the same aid offered to his peers, simply because he shares the same skin color and sex at birth as the members of your illuminati.

Just because people that look similar to him have wealth and privilege, that doesn't mean he should be discarded, and seen as unneeded, simply because of the color of his skin and the genitals he was born with.

yeah, leftists love to forget the fact that there are poor white people as much as there are poor people of other races, thats why no one takes them seriously, a hungry person is a hungry person,and we should feed them

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi Stevanator:

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

That's what makes it racist and sexist.

Even if the illuminati that you are referring to really exist, and even if they are all white men, that doesn't mean the little white boy going to bed hungry every night should be denied access to the same aid offered to his peers, simply because he shares the same skin color and sex at birth as the members of your illuminati.

Just because people that look similar to him have wealth and privilege, that doesn't mean he should be discarded, and seen as unneeded, simply because of the color of his skin and the genitals he was born with.

yeah, leftists love to forget the fact that there are poor white people as much as there are poor people of other races, thats why no one takes them seriously, a hungry person is a hungry person,and we should feed them

Keep in mind that I am left-leaning myself.

The people pushing this crap are grifters looking to enrich themselves, and they do not care who's back they have to step on to do it.

I have literally seen a long-time, prominent feminist activist get called "a mouth piece of the patriarchy" by these grifters, simply because she had the ''audacity"" to say that men should have the same rights and benefits as women, and that all people should be treated equally.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Democrats are right wing. We don't have a left wing in the united states. Hell, the democrats are to the right of me these days and I would've voted for McCain in the 2008 presidential election had I been registered to vote at the time. I didn't magically become a lefitst. I just instead of running to the right like everyone else did, decided to stay true to my own beliefs. There was an extremely brief time where the democrats would've been on the same point of the right-wing than I am before they sprinted to catch up to the Republicans.

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle. In fact, it's not just a white supremacist dog whistle. It's DARVO. The richest and most powerful men in this country, the people who truly run the government, not the puppet we vote into presidency every 4 years? Yeah, they're predominantly white, and men, and christian, and straight. And no, it's not a 51/49 split. It's more like a 99.9/0.1 split between those that are Straight White Christian Men... and the like... 2 or 3 people who aren't.

That's what makes it racist and sexist.

Even if the illuminati that you are referring to really exist, and even if they are all white men, that doesn't mean the little white boy going to bed hungry every night should be denied access to the same aid offered to his peers, simply because he shares the same skin color and sex at birth as the members of your illuminati.

Just because people that look similar to him have wealth and privilege, that doesn't mean he should be discarded, and seen as unneeded, simply because of the color of his skin and the genitals he was born with.

They are not the same. That little boy is an individual, and you are judging him based on his race and sex, simply because he shares those with people in power. That is RACIST, and that is SEXIST.

You call it the illuminati. I call it oligarchy. You call it a conspiracy theory. I call it, "Look at where the money flows."

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

That's what makes it racist and sexist.

Even if the illuminati that you are referring to really exist, and even if they are all white men, that doesn't mean the little white boy going to bed hungry every night should be denied access to the same aid offered to his peers, simply because he shares the same skin color and sex at birth as the members of your illuminati.

Just because people that look similar to him have wealth and privilege, that doesn't mean he should be discarded, and seen as unneeded, simply because of the color of his skin and the genitals he was born with.

They are not the same. That little boy is an individual, and you are judging him based on his race and sex, simply because he shares those with people in power. That is RACIST, and that is SEXIST.

You call it the illuminati. I call it oligarchy. You call it a conspiracy theory. I call it, "Look at where the money flows."

I call it, "you avoided the point." That point? That denying a boy access to the same aid as his peers, simply because he shares skin color and sex with people in power, is racist and sexist. Full stop.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

You call it the illuminati. I call it oligarchy. You call it a conspiracy theory. I call it, "Look at where the money flows."

I call it, "you avoided the point." That point? That denying a boy access to the same aid as his peers, simply because he shares skin color and sex with people in power, is racist and sexist. Full stop.

Never said it wasn't.

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

I call it, "you avoided the point." That point? That denying a boy access to the same aid as his peers, simply because he shares skin color and sex with people in power, is racist and sexist. Full stop.

Never said it wasn't.

Actually, you did, and you also claimed that anyone that disagreed with you on that point was a white supremacist. Here is the exact quote of you doing just that:

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle.

[Tito Shivan]

Nguyên văn bởi Stevanator:

democrats are left wing

Thanks for that. I needed that laugh.

The US have nothing that resembles a 'left wing' political party. The democrats at most could be considered 'moderate-center', with the GOP being 'right-wing conservatives'

Americans shudder and scream comunism to even the most tame actual left-wing policies. Actual socialist would make their brains combust.

No. The US has never had a 'left wing' party. Americans don't know what 'left wing' actually means. The whole political system of the US is tilted to the right of the political spectrum. Which is about to be expected given the hypercapitalistic nature of the US.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Never said it wasn't.

Actually, you did, and you also claimed that anyone that disagreed with you on that point was a white supremacist. Here is the exact quote of you doing just that:

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle.

No, I said that screaming DEI as being racist is a white supremacist dog whistle. I never once said that racist and sexist hiring practices are good and that anyone that disagrees with them is a white supremacist.

There's a difference between, "This company has racist and sexist hiring practices. Here's the proof. Here's my sources. Here you go." and "THIS COMPANY IS DEI INFECTED AND THUS IT'S RACIST!"

Now if you notice, it's never the former. It's always the latter. Always. There is zero evidence that they are even doing such things other than there might be a person of color or a woman at the company who is in a position higher than Janitor. And these people always ignore what the qualifications of the person happen to be. For example, if I was given two applicants. One black woman with a doctorate in game design and has had 20 years experience in the field... and one white man with a bachelor's in game design and is literally just fresh out of college with no experience whatsoever. Which one do you think is the better candidate?

Because to me in that example, it'd be the black woman. She has experience with game design, I don't have to put resources into training her. I don't have to sit there and constantly worry if she's going to be okay whenever something goes wrong(and it's game design, it can and will). But because I picked the more experienced candidate, I'd be accused of DEI hiring practices and called a racist. Now if you were to reverse the situation and the white dude was the more experienced one with the doctorate and the black woman was fresh out of college, I'd pick the white dude. But then I still couldn't win because other extremists would call me racist and sexist for picking a white dude.

The important thing to me is that gender, skin color, and even financial status shouldn't matter in the hiring process. And unlike people who want to constantly scream about DEI and whathaveyou... I genuinely believe that the right person should be put in the job. I don't care if they share my skin color and gender. I don't dislike Andrew Wilson or Bobby Kotick because they're white men. I dislike them because they're greedy parasites that are bleeding the video game industry dry to enrich themselves.

[Straight White Male]

One day, maybe people will learn that most MSM was fed taxpayer money using USAID to push left-wing propaganda.

Don't be so afraid of truth & facts today.

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi Amaterasu:

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Actually, you did, and you also claimed that anyone that disagreed with you on that point was a white supremacist. Here is the exact quote of you doing just that:

No, I said that screaming DEI as being racist is a white supremacist dog whistle. I never once said that racist and sexist hiring practices are good and that anyone that disagrees with them is a white supremacist.

Equality is fair to everyone. Everyone gets the same benefits and opportunities regardless of their race or sex. This is a good thing.

The "E" in DEI does not stand for EQUALITY, it stands for EQUITY, and EQUITY is the exact same thing we discussed with the hungry boy example.

Equity says that the White Boy is less deserving of aid than his peers because we already have enough examples of "white male" in positions of power, so he (as an individual) is unworthy of consideration.

Affirmative action is one such example of this.

Affirmative action was definitely needed it when it was first implemented, because there were many blatantly racist leaders that tried crap like blocking black students from entering schools with their state militias. But we have advanced beyond that.

Now it is being used to say, "sorry, we already have too many Asian Males in our STEM programs, so you as an individual, are worthless, due to your sex and race." Affirmative Action was a temporary solution to get over the hump of a problem, but it was later weaponized to target specific races and sex, such as Asian Men.

[Tito Shivan]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Equality is fair to everyone. Everyone gets the same benefits and opportunities regardless of their race or sex. This is a good thing.

But equity is even better.

Giving A and B $1000 for university is equalitarian. Still B can't make it to university.
Granting A and B free access to university is equitative. Now both can make it to university.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi Tito Shivan:

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Equality is fair to everyone. Everyone gets the same benefits and opportunities regardless of their race or sex. This is a good thing.

But equity is even better.

Giving A and B $1000 for university is equalitarian. Still B can't make it to university.
Granting A and B free access to university is equitative. Now both can make it to university.

What's funny is that the US doesn't even have equality. Unless you're born with a silver spoon in your mouth, give up on going to an Ivy League School and unless you're upper class, you can kiss Bush League goodbye too. They'll look at your application and file it in the Paper Shredder. They don't care about your academic record, they care about how much money your mommy and daddy can bring in. Someone like me who is lower class economically speaking can hope at best to get to some generic 4 year college. Not because of my GPA in high school or my SAT scores(Which were rather high), but because I'm not high enough on the socioeconomic ladder to even be considered for anything higher.

Edit: I wouldn't even have a problem with it if they were just expensive schools and I couldn't afford it. Or I couldn't get a scholarship that would pay for it because I fell short academically, or because I waited too long to go to college. But that simply is not the case.