What are people's opinions on DEI in the gaming industry?

[Myrth the Plague]

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With that said I personally only learned of DEI recently as a organization recently. I will say DEI has very good goals and I appreciate what they are trying to do in the gaming industry. Unfortunately the implementation needs work. Here are some good examples of DEI in the gaming industry (personal opinion):
-The Last of US II
-Dragon Age: Inquisition
-Baldur's Gate 3
-Cyberpunk 2077
-Spider-Man 2

Here are some bad examples of DEI in the gaming industry (personal opinion):
-Concord
-Dragon Age: Veilguard
-Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
-Battlefield V
-Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2

I should note that all the games I believe have bad examples of DEI were not all commercial failures and those that were I don't exclusively blame DEI for their failure. I would also like to note that i don't believe the games i think are good examples of DEI in gaming were successful exclusively for DEI. DEI is always good to have in game but here are some good things to keep in mind when it is included; is it accurate historically, does it effect lore or continuity, does it take focus away from the story, and does it improve the character(s) and make them more interesting.
When making a historical based game or a semi realistic game DEI should fit in with the appropriate time. If a character/person/group have a certain belief, gender, ethnicity, or orientation in one title it makes little sense that in the next title for that to change unless given a reason that feels like it appropriately fits the lore.
DEI should never be the focus of a game, the game should be the focus of the game and nothing else when anything takes the focus away from the game whether it is graphics, characters, or mechanics (i.e. controls, handling, etc.) the game is typically doomed to fail due to the focus being on on the game but an aspect of the game.
Making a character the fits DEI for the sole purpose of checking a box is wrong and almost always backfires, the mindset of "we need to have (X) character to make (X) group happy" is a horrible mindset to have and often leads to lazy writing and overall a unlikable character or game, make a character who is awesome for who they are DEI is not a personality it is apart of that person a trait if you will.
These are my honest opinions but i'd like to hear what other people think of DEI in gaming. DEI is good but i personally think it needs some work before we see games that have consistently good DEI implementation.

[LoTekRabbit]

The DEI grifter well has dried up with the death of USAID.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

And decades of segregation and oppression left most of the wealth in whose hands?

Affirmative action goes back to 1961. What's your reasoning for why more black people haven't invested in companies in those 63 years?

[The nameless Gamer]

Originalmente postado por SKARDAVNELNATE:

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

And decades of segregation and oppression left most of the wealth in whose hands?

Affirmative action goes back to 1961. What's your reasoning for why more black people haven't invested in companies in those 63 years?

Read "Liar's poker" by Michael Lewis. Investments, stock trade and exchange were still VERY racially segregated back then. Wall Street investors and their establishment were still quite racist. And I doubt that has changed.

Edit: show me ONE non-white CEO of an American company who ever appeared in public.

[Troll Hunter b]

Originalmente postado por Realigo Actual:

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

It's the people who saw a problem that needed to be fixed to better the lives of everyone that made the world a better place. Regressives and Reactionaries are not words used to define these kinds of people. The very same people that are screaming against trying to move on from the 1950s or 1850s are singing the same tune that has been sung in the last 1700 years. The tune that progressing socially, economically, or technologically is bad.

I mean you could point me to a famous scientist in history and chances are extremely high that they were branded a heretic if they were from before 1800. And there's an even higher chance still that scientists that existed in the medieval era are forgotten by history because they were killed for the crime of heresy.

It's not people like those in DEID that have advanced humanity. It's people that saw a problem and created a solution that worked for the betterment of mankind.

I wasn't thinking of DEI people. I was thinking of the socially wtf'd white dudes Tito was referring to.

As for this mentioned regressive movement, there are jackasses everywhere. What's different now is that the lords no longer hold themselves to any kind of statesmen tradition. Or maybe they never did, can't say because I wasn't there, and the last 100 years was just a happy fluke.

DEI is largely not made of LGBTQ people because LGBTQ people comprise a very fractional amount of humanity. I realized a while ago that this DEI thing is being propelled by monetary interests because it's very egalitarian (new haircuts, new clothes, drugs, surgeries), and majority people who have aligned themselves with the movement opportunistically. I noticed a while back, that for some of these gender-ambiguous people, the actual change or switch to the other gender seems less-important than the cataclysmic alteration to their life.

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

[The nameless Gamer]

Originalmente postado por coolboyz2626:

Originalmente postado por Realigo Actual:

I wasn't thinking of DEI people. I was thinking of the socially wtf'd white dudes Tito was referring to.

As for this mentioned regressive movement, there are jackasses everywhere. What's different now is that the lords no longer hold themselves to any kind of statesmen tradition. Or maybe they never did, can't say because I wasn't there, and the last 100 years was just a happy fluke.

DEI is largely not made of LGBTQ people because LGBTQ people comprise a very fractional amount of humanity. I realized a while ago that this DEI thing is being propelled by monetary interests because it's very egalitarian (new haircuts, new clothes, drugs, surgeries), and majority people who have aligned themselves with the movement opportunistically. I noticed a while back, that for some of these gender-ambiguous people, the actual change or switch to the other gender seems less-important than the cataclysmic alteration to their life.

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

Hogwash and false claims.

[Troll Hunter b]

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

Originalmente postado por coolboyz2626:

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

Hogwash and false claims.

As expected coming from you, lol. Agree to disagree...

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

Wall Street investors and their establishment were still quite racist. And I doubt that has changed.

Remember that we're talking about DEI. Corporations have been eager to put minorities in high position to show how inclusive they are.

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

Edit: show me ONE non-white CEO of an American company who ever appeared in public.

I googled the word CEO.

Here's Kenneth Frazier, CEO of Merck & Co, appearing with Donald Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPh0rEFVrv0

Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet / Google, in multiple public appearances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK1Hd_zjypc

[The nameless Gamer]

Originalmente postado por SKARDAVNELNATE:

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

Wall Street investors and their establishment were still quite racist. And I doubt that has changed.

Remember that we're talking about DEI. Corporations have been eager to put minorities in high position to show how inclusive they are.

Originalmente postado por The nameless Gamer:

Edit: show me ONE non-white CEO of an American company who ever appeared in public.

I googled the word CEO.

Here's Kenneth Frazier, CEO of Merck & Co, appearing with Donald Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPh0rEFVrv0

Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet / Google, in multiple public appearances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK1Hd_zjypc

In which case we're talking about "tokenism" which is nothing but a facade. Basically, put a token minority in prominent positions to ACT as if you were "inclusive" while still gatekeeping hard. Although I could also be wrong. The "token minority" has been a thing for decades, and putting "minorities" in prominent positions usually serves the purpose of masking true sentiments. But... it doesn't need to apply to EVERY case of a person in power being a non-white. I'm not going to move around goalposts all the same. I asked about non-white people on executive positions, you answered. Much appreciated.

[Tiberius]

Originalmente postado por Chika Ogiue:

Originalmente postado por Myrth:

What are people's opinions on DEI in the gaming industry?

People whine about it far too much on these forums.

[Amaterasu]

Originalmente postado por VintageRabbit:

The DEI grifter well has dried up with the death of USAID.

Really? Because all the grifters are still alive and well on youtube and won't stop grifting. Of course I'm talking about people like Asmongold, the Quartering, HeelvsBabyface.

[Amaterasu]

Originalmente postado por coolboyz2626:

Originalmente postado por Realigo Actual:

I wasn't thinking of DEI people. I was thinking of the socially wtf'd white dudes Tito was referring to.

As for this mentioned regressive movement, there are jackasses everywhere. What's different now is that the lords no longer hold themselves to any kind of statesmen tradition. Or maybe they never did, can't say because I wasn't there, and the last 100 years was just a happy fluke.

DEI is largely not made of LGBTQ people because LGBTQ people comprise a very fractional amount of humanity. I realized a while ago that this DEI thing is being propelled by monetary interests because it's very egalitarian (new haircuts, new clothes, drugs, surgeries), and majority people who have aligned themselves with the movement opportunistically. I noticed a while back, that for some of these gender-ambiguous people, the actual change or switch to the other gender seems less-important than the cataclysmic alteration to their life.

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

Democrats are right wing. We don't have a left wing in the united states. Hell, the democrats are to the right of me these days and I would've voted for McCain in the 2008 presidential election had I been registered to vote at the time. I didn't magically become a lefitst. I just instead of running to the right like everyone else did, decided to stay true to my own beliefs. There was an extremely brief time where the democrats would've been on the same point of the right-wing than I am before they sprinted to catch up to the Republicans.

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle. In fact, it's not just a white supremacist dog whistle. It's DARVO. The richest and most powerful men in this country, the people who truly run the government, not the puppet we vote into presidency every 4 years? Yeah, they're predominantly white, and men, and christian, and straight. And no, it's not a 51/49 split. It's more like a 99.9/0.1 split between those that are Straight White Christian Men... and the like... 2 or 3 people who aren't.

[Realigo Actual]

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

Originalmente postado por VintageRabbit:

The DEI grifter well has dried up with the death of USAID.

Really? Because all the grifters are still alive and well on youtube and won't stop grifting. Of course I'm talking about people like Asmongold, the Quartering, HeelvsBabyface.

Yes but they are the angry white male grifters, which is the other side.

Kinda unfair to put the asmon doomguy impression man in with them though. He's not really one of them. Are people thinking he's one of them now? He's kinda Americana white guy so I suppose he could sit with them, but it's like "day 18, they don't know I'm not one of them" type thing. I don't think I've ever seen him say something bigoted or especially stealth bigoted. Maybe misinformed. But not bigoted. You could paint him a grifter in that he's basically like a Paris Hilton youtuber now, but he's not like the others where he's always saying some pertikler-wing ♥♥♥♥.

[Amaterasu]

Originalmente postado por Realigo Actual:

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

Really? Because all the grifters are still alive and well on youtube and won't stop grifting. Of course I'm talking about people like Asmongold, the Quartering, HeelvsBabyface.

Yes but they are the angry white male grifters, which is the other side.

Kinda unfair to put the asmon doomguy impression man in with them though. He's not really one of them. Are people thinking he's one of them now? He's kinda Americana white guy so I suppose he could sit with them, but it's like "day 18, they don't know I'm not one of them" type thing. I don't think I've ever seen him say something bigoted or especially stealth bigoted. Maybe misinformed. But not bigoted. You could paint him a grifter in that he's basically like a Paris Hilton youtuber now, but he's not like the others where he's always saying some pertikler-wing ♥♥♥♥.

He's like AndyPantsGaming. He jumped onto the anti-woke bandwagon because it was popular. He isn't doing this because he has any legitimate beef with anything, he's doing it because he likes money.

[D. Flame]

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

Originalmente postado por Realigo Actual:

Yes but they are the angry white male grifters, which is the other side.

Kinda unfair to put the asmon doomguy impression man in with them though. He's not really one of them. Are people thinking he's one of them now? He's kinda Americana white guy so I suppose he could sit with them, but it's like "day 18, they don't know I'm not one of them" type thing. I don't think I've ever seen him say something bigoted or especially stealth bigoted. Maybe misinformed. But not bigoted. You could paint him a grifter in that he's basically like a Paris Hilton youtuber now, but he's not like the others where he's always saying some pertikler-wing ♥♥♥♥.

He's like AndyPantsGaming. He jumped onto the anti-woke bandwagon because it was popular. He isn't doing this because he has any legitimate beef with anything, he's doing it because he likes money.

Angry anti-woke grifters aren't getting games that I want to play cancelled. They aren't getting the games that I want to play turned into bad parodies of themselves. They aren't getting games region locked to not work in places like the USA. Etc.

The grifters on the other side have done all that and more.

[John Henry Eden]

Originalmente postado por Amaterasu:

Originalmente postado por coolboyz2626:

Sorry, your argument is completely and utterly wrong. The entire group of people is called Leftists democrats or left wing ideology. That group is in complete denial. The nature of DEI is by definition itself deemed racist. Of course leftists would never admit to that.

Democrats are right wing. We don't have a left wing in the united states. Hell, the democrats are to the right of me these days and I would've voted for McCain in the 2008 presidential election had I been registered to vote at the time. I didn't magically become a lefitst. I just instead of running to the right like everyone else did, decided to stay true to my own beliefs. There was an extremely brief time where the democrats would've been on the same point of the right-wing than I am before they sprinted to catch up to the Republicans.

As for calling DEI racist, that's a white supremacist dog whistle. In fact, it's not just a white supremacist dog whistle. It's DARVO. The richest and most powerful men in this country, the people who truly run the government, not the puppet we vote into presidency every 4 years? Yeah, they're predominantly white, and men, and christian, and straight. And no, it's not a 51/49 split. It's more like a 99.9/0.1 split between those that are Straight White Christian Men... and the like... 2 or 3 people who aren't.

democrats are left wing
you have a left wing in the united states
you would of voted for mccain because youre probably a racist
you didnt magically become leftist, you are a leftist
DEI is picking people based on the colour of their skin, therefore racist
not all white people are white supremacists
you are racist for thinking that white people are white supremacists
you are xenophobic towards christians and white people

based on everything you said here, and on all the facts that people can gather, first lying, then racism, then some more racism, and some more racism, you are clearly the problem, just like the white supremacists you claim to be against