Stop the AI Reporting Requirements

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GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:32am

Stop the AI Reporting Requirements

As a software developer with 38 years of experience, I can attest EVERY game engine on the planet is NOW being maintained, and created with the help of Generative AI. AI is integrated in our IDE's, and we are using it EVERYWHERE. In addition, almost every game engine has AI built into it, and has had fuzzy logic for MANY years. Also, AI is being used in administration, data analysis, and many other area's. All of these usages are not required in disclosure.

In fact, I challenge you to find a single company not using Generative AI. Yet these reporting requirements only target Indie developers. This is leading to INDIE developers getting review bombed, and we are tired of it. STOP THIS. Remove these anti-AI review bombs, and remove these questions. Or instead, please check EVERY game on Steam as being built by AI.

Case in point: Microsoft is a key player in the AI development, yet all of their games are not marked as using AI. Go, look at a Microsoft game, is it AI marked?

2nd Case in Point: Lord of The Rings (the movie) used AI in the production of the movie. Their games, which also used scenes from the movie, also do not report generative AI usage. This is wrong, they openly admit to this, yet they don't disclose.

We're tired of the review bombs, the death threats, the angry competitors bombing us because we're honest and report usage, while they don't.

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Chika Ogiue Jan 25 @ 2:41am

This is a customer facing forum. If you're a Steamworks Partner, take your complaint to the Steamwork's forums.

But as a customer, the focus on being informed on AI is knowing what actual IN GAME content was generated by an AI, such as the artwork or music. And to then know if that model was trained on legally licenced sources. Because, I, for one, don't want to give my money to any game that is using generated content based on someone's artistic creativity that they were not compensated for.

Ogami Jan 25 @ 2:42am

Its not about that, its when entire art assets and such are created by generative AI.
So if you publish a game and all the artwork you use for characters or backgrounds was generated by AI then you need to disclose that.
The other stuff you listed is pretty much normal development stuff in games and thats not what Steam means.

GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:43am

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
This is a customer facing forum. If you're a Steamworks Partner, take your complaint to the Steamwork's forums.

But as a customer, the focus on being informed on AI is knowing what actual IN GAME content was generated by an AI, such as the artwork or music. And to then know if that model was trained on legally licenced sources. Because, I, for one, don't want to give my money to any game that is using generated content based on someone's artistic creativity that they were not compensated for.

You should read the post. EVERY game is using AI generative to be developed. Go look at Microsoft. Go look at Unreal. Or even Steam itself is using generative AI to be developed. So what you mean is that you only care if the small indie developer is using it. Which is the problem.

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GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:47am

Originally posted by Ogami:
Its not about that, its when entire art assets and such are created by generative AI.
So if you publish a game and all the artwork you use for characters or backgrounds was generated by AI then you need to disclose that.
The other stuff you listed is pretty much normal development stuff in games and thats not what Steam means.

Again, EVERY game is doing this. As a software developer, we use AI EVERYWHERE. Steam itself is being maintained by Generative AI. Microsoft is creating AI, and using it in every game engine they make. They also use it in the development of the XBox, and the development of Windows, which you are using. The Unreal Scanner, that allows you to scan in real items into the game, it is using Generative AI. I can list case, after case, where the lines are blurred, and not reported. Only the little guy is being honest.

Did you know Lord of The Rings (The Movies) used Generative AI in their creation?

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Chika Ogiue Jan 25 @ 2:49am

Originally posted by GreenJelly:
You should read the post.

I did. You're complaint is with Steamworks pipeline. This is a customer forum. We are not Valve. You need to use the Steamworks forum. Search for a link or ask your Valve representative for it.

And as both I and Ogami have said, this disclosure requirement is about generative AI assets in a game. Those will mostly be artwork, but can include music and character voices.

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GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:51am

Originally posted by Ogami:
Its not about that, its when entire art assets and such are created by generative AI.
So if you publish a game and all the artwork you use for characters or backgrounds was generated by AI then you need to disclose that.
The other stuff you listed is pretty much normal development stuff in games and thats not what Steam means.

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
Originally posted by GreenJelly:
You should read the post.

I did. You're complaint is with Steamworks pipeline. This is a customer forum. We are not Valve. You need to use the Steamworks forum. Search for a link or ask your Valve representative for it.

And as both I and Ogami have said, this disclosure requirement is about generative AI assets in a game. Those will mostly be artwork, but can include music and character voices.

You again do not know what you're talking about, as almost every game is doing this. The lines you think are clear, are not clear. Again, as a software developer with many years in this field, this is not how it works. Sorry, but review bombing and issuing death threats is not acceptable.

GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:53am

And yes, the customers who are review bombing, and issuing death threats need to stop. Which is why I'm on a customer forum. We're tired of you anti-ai's bully's picking on the small guy while ignoring the big guy.

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Chika Ogiue Jan 25 @ 2:54am

Originally posted by GreenJelly:
Did you know Lord of The Rings (The Movies) used Generative AI in their creation?

Yes, we know they used an in-house developed solution which was a precursor to what is now LLM driven generative AI because they DISCLOSED it.

Originally posted by GreenJelly:
You again do not know what you're talking about, as almost every game is doing this. The lines you think are clear, are not clear. Again, as a software developer with many years in this field, this is not how it works. Sorry, but review bombing and issuing death threats is not acceptable.

No. This is a failing in your part to understand what you are being told. Please, talk to your assigned contact at Valve. They can walk you through it. They are also the only ones who can take action on any reviews you take issue with.

And if you're getting death threats (which I HIGHLY doubt given you're only NOW spouting about them) then take it up with your local law enforcement.

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GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:56am

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
Originally posted by GreenJelly:
Did you know Lord of The Rings (The Movies) used Generative AI in their creation?

Yes, we know they used an in-house developed solution which was a precursor to what is now LLM driven generative AI because they DISCLOSED it.

Originally posted by GreenJelly:
You again do not know what you're talking about, as almost every game is doing this. The lines you think are clear, are not clear. Again, as a software developer with many years in this field, this is not how it works. Sorry, but review bombing and issuing death threats is not acceptable.

No. This is failing in your part to understand what you are being told. Please, talk to your assigned contact at Valve. They can walk you through it.

And if you're getting death threats (which I HIGHLY doubt given you're only NOW spouting about them) then take it up with your local law enforcement.

Yes, lots of people are getting death threats. I've personally gotten review bombed, because my art was accused of using generative AI, despite it being 5 years old. Law enforcement has been contacted.

We are also seeing reports of homeless people getting review bombed for using AI to try and make a few bucks. A recent example of this isn't hard to find and why I'm here.

And no, they do NOT disclose it. I can find MANY games that are NOT disclosing it.

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Chika Ogiue Jan 25 @ 2:58am

Originally posted by GreenJelly:
Yes, lots of people are getting death threats. I've personally gotten review bombed, because my art was accused of using generative AI, despite it being 5 years old. Law enforcement has been contacted.

Okay, talk to your assigned contact at Valve. No one here can help you.

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GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 2:59am

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
Originally posted by GreenJelly:
Yes, lots of people are getting death threats. I've personally gotten review bombed, because my art was accused of using generative AI, despite it being 5 years old. Law enforcement has been contacted.

Okay, talk to your assigned contact at Valve. No one here can help you.

You yourself can help the problem, by stopping some of the lies you're spreading about Indie developers. Or maybe stop using products that are generated by massive companies with Generative AI.

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datCookie Jan 25 @ 2:59am

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
Originally posted by GreenJelly:
Yes, lots of people are getting death threats. I've personally gotten review bombed, because my art was accused of using generative AI, despite it being 5 years old. Law enforcement has been contacted.

Okay, talk to your assigned contact at Valve. No one here can help you.

Reading through this thread, I was also wondering what it has to do with anyone here. There's nothing any of us can do, this complaint is best taken to those who can actually do something about it.

OP should mark your response here as the answer.

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eram Jan 25 @ 3:00am

famously the lord of the rings movies have no ai in it
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/lord-of-the-rings-christopher-lee-saruman-ai-b2638025.html

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GreenJelly Jan 25 @ 3:01am

Originally posted by eram:
famously the lord of the rings movie has no ai in it
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/lord-of-the-rings-christopher-lee-saruman-ai-b2638025.html

https://2immersive4u.com/2024/08/28/how-ai-transformed-cinematic-effects-in-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-stories-about-ai/#:~:text=In%20conclusion%2C%20AI%20has%20shaped,stunning%20experience%20that%20captures%20viewers.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/features/how-lord-of-the-rings-used-ai-to-change-big-screen-battles-forever/

One source is for the Rings of Power, the other is for the ORIGINAL movies. Massive Software uses AI. Your article talks about a single case it WASN'T used. It was used in many other parts. It was used 20 years ago. This is the ignorance behind this, you all have your eyes closed to this technology and how dominant its been, for such a very long time.

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