Do the DEI developers of games such as concord and veilguard still have an audience?

[sick duck]

Concord is an infamous failure, and veilguard didn't do badly but it was very far away from breaking any sales records. I look at social media groups that built up 10+ million subscribers like IGN and ther videos today have hardly any attention. Kotaku was a titan of games media too, and barely anyone looks at anymore.

The only reason I am asking about this is that modern year games aren't my main focus for gaming anymore. None of my past 5 games were developed in the 2020s. I am not opposed to DEI in principle, and I recognize that as filled to the brim as veilguard was with the stuff, I probably would have disliked it for a whole lot of reasons related to gameplay and the lack of continuity it had with the dragon age series from an artistic and lore point of view.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

引用自 inpurpleshadows：

引用自 King of Games：

So i guess Blizzard is blacklisted for you lol

Correct.

You're not missing much, tbh.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

BG3 was quite literally FULL of wailing neckbeards, typing as fast as their cheeto-dust encrusted sausages could handle over the bear scene. Quite literally alluding to it being actual bestiality, and pushing the "what next? Kids? I knew LGBT+ were groomers" rhetoric.

I'm quite confident that the Venn diagram between the neckbeards who complained about the BG3 bear scene and the ones saying 'but she's not a kid, she's a 300 year old vampire' is close to a perfect circle.

引用自 Zefar：

What I've seen from Space Marine 2 is that it's faithful to Warhammer40k. The only thing that has come up is the female custodes which is a lore breaking thing. But it hasn't been put into the game yet. So the current game is just Warhammer40k as it is. That is why it's popular. Not sure what other "woke" stuff is in it.

According to the Woke content detector list, Space marine 2 is not recommended because it "Contains overtly pro-DEI messaging. The ultramarines shown in game are improbably diverse. Features front-line female combatants, including an improbable female authority figure"
It's them saying it, not me.

引用自 Zefar：

Baldurs Gate 3 is a classical western RPG where they let you do a ton of stuff. Featuring gay or lesbian isn't enough for a game to be woke unless they change an established character into a gay/lesbian character. It isn't forced in Baldurs Gate 3. It is natural.

Per the above list "Contains overtly pro-DEI messaging. Nonbinary-other option available in the character creation menu, uses body type instead of male and female. Optional homosexual romance"

引用自 Zefar：

It was honestly much later into Overwatch life time when the team started to push woke stuff. Such as making Soldier 76 gay. I bet a lot of players are not aware of this change either because they don't read twitter and alike. But fans did the same thing with Angela and Pharah, then we have Widowmaker and Tracer.

See how people did complain about Overwatch being 'woke'?

[The nameless Gamer]

I think I've reached a conclusion: some people's favourite pastime is to go around with a proverbial magnifying glass and look for things to call "woke". Well, even if they call a game "woke" that wouldn't stop me from enjoying it if it sparks my interest. So maybe I should stop raining on their parades. If they find more fun in looking for things to call "woke" than play video games, why should I stop them? If they want to stand on soapboxes and call things "woke", that's obviously not going to stop good games from finding their audience.

[Start_Running]

引用自 TRIPLE A ®™：

moral of the story: if they had an audience, they wouldn't flop. Concord studio wouldn't have shut down, and Ubiflop wouldn't be 2 months away from bankruptsy.

anyone saying different are literally lying to themselves.

Oversimplification.
COncord was almost doomed to failure by it's development cycle. It was an 8 year project m8.
The cost overruns must have been so high that even if they had the launch success of rivals they still would have fallen short of breaking even

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

引用自 inpurpleshadows：

I don't really agree with the whole "defund the police" shtick, but she is allowed to have those views and I can't really do anything to change one's beliefs. As long as a developer of a game didn't kill anyone, I'll purchase anything that interests me.

Defund the police doesn't actually mean "get rid of cops" it means investing resources in better alternatives so police presence doesn't escalate.

For example hiring mental healthcare professionals to help alongside police, or go to calls where a mental health crisis is happening, to de-escalate the situation.

Kinda like how BLM actually stood for "Black Lives Matter Too" but, was shortened to be more catchy. People don't get the full story, and people sensitive to the matter push alternative narratives.

You mean like actually investing in things like education, and job creation. Not to mention actu rehabilitation. Heck maybe even actual proper police candidate screening and training.

[inpurpleshadows]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

引用自 inpurpleshadows：

Correct.

You're not missing much, tbh.

I thought that would be the case. Even before the allegations of Blizzard's horrible work environment sprung about, I still never really liked the company's games. I already have Square Enix and Larian to cover my RPG fix.

[Reported.]

引用自 The nameless Gamer：

I think I've reached a conclusion: some people's favourite pastime is to go around with a proverbial magnifying glass and look for things to call "woke".

It took you this long to realize it, and that some of those people make Youtube videos about those things?

[King of Games]

引用自 Sozin：

引用自 The nameless Gamer：

I think I've reached a conclusion: some people's favourite pastime is to go around with a proverbial magnifying glass and look for things to call "woke".

It took you this long to realize it, and that some of those people make Youtube videos about those things?

well the youtubers arent necessarily doing that as a past time, there is monetary incentive to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥ click bait videos

[Reported.]

引用自 King of Games：

引用自 Sozin：

It took you this long to realize it, and that some of those people make Youtube videos about those things?

well the youtubers arent necessarily doing that as a past time, there is monetary incentive to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥ click bait videos

Oh wait, so its called a "job" to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥ click bait videos instead. Got it.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Sozin：

引用自 King of Games：

well the youtubers arent necessarily doing that as a past time, there is monetary incentive to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥ click bait videos

Oh wait, so its called a "job" to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥ click bait videos instead. Got it.

They do be getting paid for it.

引用自 inpurpleshadows：

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

You're not missing much, tbh.

I thought that would be the case. Even before the allegations of Blizzard's horrible work environment sprung about, I still never really liked the company's games. I already have Square Enix and Larian to cover my RPG fix.

I doubt the conditions at Squeenix are any better. In fact, they might be worse.
As for Larian. who can tell.

[Reported.]

引用自 Start_Running：

They do be getting paid for it.

Who knew past 2016 its feasible to spew absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the Internet, and for it to be immensely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ profitable, since countering it is "misinformation"?

Who knew. Its interesting how lies, hearsay, conspiracies and utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is more profitable than truth. No wonder journalism is dead, its all hitpieces and op-eds.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Sozin：

引用自 Start_Running：

They do be getting paid for it.

Who knew past 2016 its feasible to spew absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the Internet, and for it to be immensely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ profitable, since countering it is "misinformation"?

Who knew. Its interesting how lies, hearsay, conspiracies and utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is more profitable than truth. No wonder journalism is dead, its all hitpieces and op-eds.

Truth is boring, depressiung, and (for many) hard to understand.. And worse, they usually invole you having to acknowledge being wrong.

People prefer stuff that is easy to digest, and makes them feel special and smart.

As for who knew.. anyone who's studied human behaviour in like the last 10 millenia.
I mean the only thing that's changed is that it becomes more obvious and it;;s more wide spread.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 The nameless Gamer：

I think I've reached a conclusion: some people's favourite pastime is to go around with a proverbial magnifying glass and look for things to call "woke". Well, even if they call a game "woke" that wouldn't stop me from enjoying it if it sparks my interest. So maybe I should stop raining on their parades. If they find more fun in looking for things to call "woke" than play video games, why should I stop them? If they want to stand on soapboxes and call things "woke", that's obviously not going to stop good games from finding their audience.

There's always been killjoys in every corner. The problem has come with the constant exposition to this kind of people, because social sites know stuff that makes you angry gets more interactions ("Look what this idiot is saying!") and make more revenue using them as useful idiots (while paying them peanuts, which incetivizes being a kiljoy)
Then overexposition leads to some people to hyperfixate on that very thing (Watch enough videos about badly built houses and you end up looking for and seeing those mistakes everywhere)

But at the end of the day there's a large army out there who don't consume gaming media and just want to play games. They don't care about the things that fill forum pages and hours of video. They just boot up the game and want to spend some time playing games.

[D. Flame]

引用自 AustrAlien2010：

Well, it is to me. Gaming websites simply lack the finesse of discussing game-mechanisms as a professional. So instead they make stuff up such as things being “Woke” to stir up controversies to receive clicks on their websites and channels.

I doubt this term will withstand the scholarly scrutiny our editors impose upon it.

Gaming publications largely bow down to these consultation groups, but it has been know for like 2 decades now, that "gaming journalists" are neither real journalists nor are they even real gamers.

They are not real journalists because they rely on being spoon fed by the same people that they are supposed to hold to account. There are incidents like the K&L controversy, where a journalist with actual scruples was fired for giving a big budget game a less than perfect review.

As for them being gamers, you have this infamous example:
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/772482-ign

Or the fact that games offer game journalists mode because of how notoriously unskilled they are at games.

This is why gaming publications have failed, one after another. They proved that they were completely untrustworthy on every front. And once their credibility is lost, no one will trust them enough to keep purchasing their products.

Meaning? Appeal to Authority is already a logical fallacy, but trying to appeal to the authority of a group that no one even listens to nor respects is even funnier.

[Doctor Zalgo]

引用自 D. Flame：

引用自 AustrAlien2010：

Well, it is to me. Gaming websites simply lack the finesse of discussing game-mechanisms as a professional. So instead they make stuff up such as things being “Woke” to stir up controversies to receive clicks on their websites and channels.

I doubt this term will withstand the scholarly scrutiny our editors impose upon it.

Gaming publications largely bow down to these consultation groups, but it has been know for like 2 decades now, that "gaming journalists" are neither real journalists nor are they even real gamers.

They are not real journalists because they rely on being spoon fed by the same people that they are supposed to hold to account. There are incidents like the K&L controversy, where a journalist with actual scruples was fired for giving a big budget game a less than perfect review.

As for them being gamers, you have this infamous example:
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/772482-ign

Or the fact that games offer game journalists mode because of how notoriously unskilled they are at games.

This is why gaming publications have failed, one after another. They proved that they were completely untrustworthy on every front. And once their credibility is lost, no one will trust them enough to keep purchasing their products.

Meaning? Appeal to Authority is already a logical fallacy, but trying to appeal to the authority of a group that no one even listens to nor respects is even funnier.

That was where gamergate could have actually done something useful rather than just harassing some woman but it was never really about gaming journalism was it?

[The nameless Gamer]

引用自 Sozin：

引用自 The nameless Gamer：

I think I've reached a conclusion: some people's favourite pastime is to go around with a proverbial magnifying glass and look for things to call "woke".

It took you this long to realize it, and that some of those people make Youtube videos about those things?

I didn't really rack my brain with it, tbf. After seeing enough replies fixated on a handful of mainstream games and ignoring all the games which couldn't be further away from whatever they call "woke" and remembering that people change something if they aren't satisfied or content... but prattling about "Concord" and "DA Veilguard" while being told a 100 times that other games exist finally made it click for me. Games like "Oblivion Override", "Momodora - moonlit farewell", "Under Night in-Birth II" etc don't exist for them because there's nothing in them to be outraged about.