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Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?
So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.
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basiccTV 31 MAR 2023 a las 5:46 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:
So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.
Too bad dude its time to upgrade to win 10/11 or if you are unwilling then stop crying no one literally cares. We all saw it miles away that steam and other platforms will gradually stop supporting older operating systems.
Lixire 31 MAR 2023 a las 6:47 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:
Publicado originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

DX12 on Win7 is very rough since it only supports the lowest feature level of 11_0. was often included for specific games like WoW:Shadowlands. 10 2004+ supports up to 12_2 which is basically the complete version of DX12 Ultimate.

But either way. It might be painful to hear but you don't have much options to go through as once you made your Steam account. You have agreed that Steam as a service might change overtime and does its requirements.
Also, the games that you bought on Steam. were actually the licenses to access those games. Welcome to the world of DRM.
Your games will still be accessible but simply through a newer OS in 2024.
Cyberpunk 2077 was the other game that initially supported DX12 on Windows 7, but have now dropped it.

Leaving one game for windows 7 and DX12. And not even able to fully enable it in WoW.

I honestly have no idea why CP2077 did target that OS/DX11 feature level to begin with. Utter waste of time and effort as DX11_0 hardware has barely ran the game to begin with.
Komarimaru 31 MAR 2023 a las 7:06 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:
Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:
Cyberpunk 2077 was the other game that initially supported DX12 on Windows 7, but have now dropped it.

Leaving one game for windows 7 and DX12. And not even able to fully enable it in WoW.

I honestly have no idea why CP2077 did target that OS/DX11 feature level to begin with. Utter waste of time and effort as DX11_0 hardware has barely ran the game to begin with.
They screwed up, and wanted to keep their "Promise" of it working on Windows 7, and worse on Playstation 4.

That's the thing, you can't make advancements in gaming or technology if try and promise to support the old with similar performance, just not feasible.

Personally I'd rather prefer software developers would push the envelope more. This day and age is the only time I've seen us actually being able to max game settings with the hardware we have, sure it needs the high end stuff, but even back in the day with triple SLI GTX 680's I couldn't max some games lol.
Lixire 31 MAR 2023 a las 7:27 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:
Publicado originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

I honestly have no idea why CP2077 did target that OS/DX11 feature level to begin with. Utter waste of time and effort as DX11_0 hardware has barely ran the game to begin with.
They screwed up, and wanted to keep their "Promise" of it working on Windows 7, and worse on Playstation 4.

That's the thing, you can't make advancements in gaming or technology if try and promise to support the old with similar performance, just not feasible.

Personally I'd rather prefer software developers would push the envelope more. This day and age is the only time I've seen us actually being able to max game settings with the hardware we have, sure it needs the high end stuff, but even back in the day with triple SLI GTX 680's I couldn't max some games lol.

Graphical advancements have became far smaller over the years and the focus has been shifted overall to other technologies such as DLSS and FSR
We will see improvements with graphics in the form of ray-tracing but it will take a long while until it will be viable for most people tbh
Cr8ToR 31 MAR 2023 a las 7:41 a. m. 
Dude just get win10.
KalGimpa 31 MAR 2023 a las 8:09 a. m. 
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/1746720717333135539/

edit:

whoops, hit the button

anyways, this came up before

it will come up again

if it was illegal and if lawsuits work/worked, they would have already stopped doing this
Última edición por KalGimpa; 31 MAR 2023 a las 8:11 a. m.
Bee🐝 31 MAR 2023 a las 8:15 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por KalCuey:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/1746720717333135539/

edit:

whoops, hit the button

anyways, this came up before

it will come up again

if it was illegal and if lawsuits work/worked, they would have already stopped doing this
Exactly! There's so many similar arguments in that thread it's like deja vu.

(Wow, it's weird to see a post now ending when Tito's mod hat was still on.)
Leonardo Da Pinchi 31 MAR 2023 a las 8:31 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ragefifty50:
i think its upgrade phobia

no matter how bad you think the security is....
( its your paranoia/conspiracy - as no one is or was swamping
steam or any other website with security issues with win 10 )


"if you only new..."
98% of users are going to get assistance..
- nobody wins if that 98% are offline with computer problems...
I mean back in Jan a pretty bad exploit for Win7 was found where someone could basically grant command line access via sending a file with a certain file name. I don't know if that was even fixed.
Pete the Grouch 31 MAR 2023 a las 12:01 p. m. 
Dude, seriously, all these smoothbrains saying "jUsT uPDaTe BrUh" are enough to give me a hernia...:steamfacepalm:

You do realise there's a REASON why so many folk are still reluctant to 'upgrade' to Windows10, even so many years after they basically tried to FORCE it on us... perhaps if Microsoft would learn to actually, y'know, FIX their sh*t or whatever, maybe people would be more willing to take the plunge..? Just a thought.

Side note - Valve really tried to sneak this in under the radar, huh..? Frankly, if I hadn't stumbled on this & similar treads completely by accident, I'd - & I'm sure many others(!) - have probably been none the wiser... Talk about a d*ck move.
Crazy Tiger 31 MAR 2023 a las 12:06 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Pete the Grouch:
Side note - Valve really tried to sneak this in under the radar, huh..? Frankly, if I hadn't stumbled on this & similar treads completely by accident, I'd - & I'm sure many others(!) - have probably been none the wiser... Talk about a d*ck move.
If you're still on Win 7 or 8, you should see a red notice in your Steam client about it.
H4xX 31 MAR 2023 a las 12:16 p. m. 
If you're on Windows 10+, you should receive a red warning that your computer could break from updates any day ^^
RiO 31 MAR 2023 a las 12:17 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Elucidator:
EU citizens unfortunately cannot influence US based companies practically. (it would be extremely exceptional if that were to happen)

It happened before.
Where do you think the refund policy came from?

That had nothing to do with the case in Australia. That one was about Valve having misinformed Australian consumers about their given right to a well-functioning product that conforms to contract and the remedies available to them where that is not the case -- much like the legislation in the EU actually.

The refund policy has nothing to do with that. The refund policy is a substitute for the EU right of withdrawal: a right that on any distance sale, consumers have a 14 day window of time after receiving their purchase to try it out and if they find it doesn't meet their expectations in any way, withdraw from the purchase - i.e. send the item back and be refunded. This right was baked into the laws on distance sales as a substitute for the consumer being able to take an up close look at goods in stores when you'd buy from brick&mortar.

Of course, for some markets that 14 day period creates problems. Especially for video games where it can turn into, basically, a free 2 week rental. So the law had an escape hatch built in: under certain conditions traders distributing digital content digitally - i.e. distance sale - could demand consumers waive their right of withdrawal before they'd receive the content they bought access to.

But in return the EU in no small terms made it clear that traders should only make use of this ability in so far as it would be necessary for them to safeguard their business model. And they had better make damn well sure to introduce their own alternative procedure in spirit of the right of withdrawal to safeguard the consumer rights that the right of withdrawal was originally enacted for in law. 'Or else.'

And that's how you got your 2 hours played / 14 days owned - no-questions-asked refund window.
tacticalnuke 31 MAR 2023 a las 2:37 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por InfernusMatrix:
So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

Just like the people who still use xp on there system, uninstall steam or upgrade. I thought win 98 was there best os ;)

Totally agree with you about a refund though. You could build a gaming rig pretty cheap if you time buying hardware when sales or on. AMD have a new mb cpu combo so the last generation stuff price will drop. Time it for a sale or your going to be stuck in console hell with the dodgy controllers with overpriced games ;)

annoying isn't it having to upgrade when there is no real need ;)
Cray 31 MAR 2023 a las 5:44 p. m. 
Business guy in suit, considering options:

"Is it hard to develop for this platform?" - no, it's old and set in stone, it's easy.
"Do we have the money?" - yes
"Do at least a few hundred thousand, maybe some million or more customers use this platform?" - yes

"well then, just give the customers what they want, it's not our job to tell them what os to use, we're a game sales platform"

kek.
davidb11 31 MAR 2023 a las 5:56 p. m. 
Complaining about this is rather silly.
Sure it's weird that they're ending support in early 2024, but hey, Valve is allowed legally to no longer support old operating systems.

And right now, Windows 7 is older than Dirt.

There is no excuse to not update to windows 10, at all. EVER.

Mostly because it's still free.
You just have to do a bit of google searching.

Also, despite all the complaints about Windows 10, it works very well.

Using Windows 7 right now is like dropping Cesium in a cup of water you're holding in your hands.
I.E A really bad idea. Cesium tends to violently explode in water.


Security flaws are a nightmare, and every operating system dies eventually.
Even Windows 10 will die in about 8 years.
Knowing Microsoft.

But really, there is no valid complaint about this.
NO laws are broken.
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