Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Hobbit XIII님이 먼저 게시:

duglasmark94님이 먼저 게시:

Microsoft Windows 12 Could Require a Subscription

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/microsoft-windows-12-could-require-a-subscription

I did not read the article but seeing the trend of the world I can see operating systems becoming subscription only with reduced capability to be offline to do stuff.
Will it be number 12?
I cannot put a number on it but I agree.
Years ago I read an article about game streaming and I thought people won't go for it they could be held hostage to their games....
Not quite being held hostage to upgrade but way things have developed on Steam as an example the subscription pc reality is getting nearer.

There little reason for Microsoft to making local machine OS a subscription only in order to use, there is online virtual machine for windows 11 but that if you want a cloud based PC, but this wouldn't help, or make sense for those wanting to use their own local hardware, being offline, or using their own network not needing their cloud services.

Anyways if Microsoft go full R* then you see backlash not just consumers, but investors, publishers, and devs because they will be affected too where they all have to pay a subscription fee just to use an OS, which basically cause people to extend support for current OS that sustainable, or consider branching off to Linux, just like how unity try to screw everyone almost cause everyone to leave their engine to go all over the place, or even out right changing their game engines on their future, and existing projects which why cause unity to panic to reverse their bad decisions.

But we'll find out by 2030, or sooner, whenever w12 happens.

[Hobbit XIII]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

Hobbit XIII님이 먼저 게시:

I did not read the article but seeing the trend of the world I can see operating systems becoming subscription only with reduced capability to be offline to do stuff.
Will it be number 12?
I cannot put a number on it but I agree.
Years ago I read an article about game streaming and I thought people won't go for it they could be held hostage to their games....
Not quite being held hostage to upgrade but way things have developed on Steam as an example the subscription pc reality is getting nearer.

There little reason for Microsoft to making local machine OS a subscription only in order to use, there is online virtual machine for windows 11 but that if you want a cloud based PC, but this wouldn't help, or make sense for those wanting to use their own local hardware, being offline, or using their own network not needing their cloud services.

Anyways if Microsoft go full R* then you see backlash not just consumers, but investors, publishers, and devs because they will be affected too where they all have to pay a subscription fee just to use an OS, which basically cause people to extend support for current OS that sustainable, or consider branching off to Linux, just like how unity try to screw everyone almost cause everyone to leave their engine to go all over the place, or even out right changing their game engines on their future, and existing projects which why cause unity to panic to reverse their bad decisions.

But we'll find out by 2030, or sooner, whenever w12 happens.

Experience of the world tells me it is high probability.

[RasaNova]

Hobbit XIII님이 먼저 게시:

duglasmark94님이 먼저 게시:

Microsoft Windows 12 Could Require a Subscription

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/microsoft-windows-12-could-require-a-subscription

I did not read the article but seeing the trend of the world I can see operating systems becoming subscription only with reduced capability to be offline to do stuff.
Will it be number 12?
I cannot put a number on it but I agree.
Years ago I read an article about game streaming and I thought people won't go for it they could be held hostage to their games....
Not quite being held hostage to upgrade but way things have developed on Steam as an example the subscription pc reality is getting nearer.

Microsoft has been threatening to make Windows a service for nearly 10 years now... It's what promoted the often misrepresented claim of "10 will be the last version of Windows" in 2015.

So it would not surprise me at all if 12 is when they finally push it, and it also would not surprise me if it comes with a yearly subscription cost. It might even be what finally gets me to try linux.

[RasaNova]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

Hobbit XIII님이 먼저 게시:

I did not read the article but seeing the trend of the world I can see operating systems becoming subscription only with reduced capability to be offline to do stuff.
Will it be number 12?
I cannot put a number on it but I agree.
Years ago I read an article about game streaming and I thought people won't go for it they could be held hostage to their games....
Not quite being held hostage to upgrade but way things have developed on Steam as an example the subscription pc reality is getting nearer.

There little reason for Microsoft to making local machine OS a subscription only in order to use, there is online virtual machine for windows 11 but that if you want a cloud based PC, but this wouldn't help, or make sense for those wanting to use their own local hardware, being offline, or using their own network not needing their cloud services.

Anyways if Microsoft go full R* then you see backlash not just consumers, but investors, publishers, and devs because they will be affected too where they all have to pay a subscription fee just to use an OS, which basically cause people to extend support for current OS that sustainable, or consider branching off to Linux, just like how unity try to screw everyone almost cause everyone to leave their engine to go all over the place, or even out right changing their game engines on their future, and existing projects which why cause unity to panic to reverse their bad decisions.

But we'll find out by 2030, or sooner, whenever w12 happens.

I'm guessing if it happens, it will be something like this:

"Hey everyone, Windows 12 is FREE! That's right, free! Go ahead and upgrade today!!! Oh, by the way if you want to unlock most of the features, or be able to modify anything, you need to upgrade from basic to full edition. But it's only 9.99/month, and even better we'll give you a yearly subscription for only $99!"

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

RasaNova님이 먼저 게시:

I'm guessing if it happens, it will be something like this:

"Hey everyone, Windows 12 is FREE! That's right, free! Go ahead and upgrade today!!! Oh, by the way if you want to unlock most of the features, or be able to modify anything, you need to upgrade from basic to full edition. But it's only 9.99/month, and even better we'll give you a yearly subscription for only $99!"

They could lock features behind a subscription, but I'm very doubtful they would lock their whole OS behind a subscription.

I assume maybe AI assistant, maybe windows defender, but I doubt it be anything actually crazy that stop anyone from using the OS, or running 3rd software that not from the windows store. There some people believe that W12 is gonna be all cloud base OS only, and have to rent out the hardware like how on Nvidia GeForce now basically which I'm super doubtful that what W12 is all about, but I wouldn't be shock there be another version of it that cloud base which they been doing for years already, as you can rent cloud computing already from Microsoft.

[leh2012]

Another reason to keep using older OS...

[BJWyler]

Blackpot님이 먼저 게시:

NakiBest님이 먼저 게시:

Steam has user/config tracking.
Same for GOG, Battle.net, EA Games, Epic Games clients.

Also, Firefox has it, MS Edge has it, Chrome has it - everyone does. :)

Nothing strange or out of the ordinary here.

Maybe true but MS doing it another level. There are companies i trust, and Microsoft is not one of them.

And yet, you trust them enough with Windows 7 and its spyware - as does most everyone else here.

Hobbit XIII님이 먼저 게시:

duglasmark94님이 먼저 게시:

Microsoft Windows 12 Could Require a Subscription

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/microsoft-windows-12-could-require-a-subscription

I did not read the article but seeing the trend of the world I can see operating systems becoming subscription only with reduced capability to be offline to do stuff.
Will it be number 12?
I cannot put a number on it but I agree.
Years ago I read an article about game streaming and I thought people won't go for it they could be held hostage to their games....
Not quite being held hostage to upgrade but way things have developed on Steam as an example the subscription pc reality is getting nearer.

It seems that article has been debunked as rumormongering already. But the concept of SaaS has been something that the industry has been looking at for over a decade. Some software already operates on that model like Office 365, Adobe, and Acronis. Anti-virus programs like McAfee and Norton have done it for a while. MMO's have been doing it for almost 30 years. It's been the norm for television since Cable/Fiber took over in the late 80's/early 90's and has only grown with the streaming services like Netflix. Heck you can now even pay a monthly subscription to get anything and everything from your dinners to designer shoes. It really has become the norm.

Will it happen with the consumer version of Windows? Who knows, except for Microsoft. Considering that the consumer versions have had free upgrades since Vista or 7 iirc, it doesn't seem likely. I see it happening more for the business side of things, like Office 365 has been doing.

[Tito Shivan]

leh2012님이 먼저 게시:

Another reason to keep using older OS...

Unless you expect not using any modern software anymore that's going to be a very nasty uphill battle.

[lailaamell]

RasaNova님이 먼저 게시:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

There little reason for Microsoft to making local machine OS a subscription only in order to use, there is online virtual machine for windows 11 but that if you want a cloud based PC, but this wouldn't help, or make sense for those wanting to use their own local hardware, being offline, or using their own network not needing their cloud services.

Anyways if Microsoft go full R* then you see backlash not just consumers, but investors, publishers, and devs because they will be affected too where they all have to pay a subscription fee just to use an OS, which basically cause people to extend support for current OS that sustainable, or consider branching off to Linux, just like how unity try to screw everyone almost cause everyone to leave their engine to go all over the place, or even out right changing their game engines on their future, and existing projects which why cause unity to panic to reverse their bad decisions.

But we'll find out by 2030, or sooner, whenever w12 happens.

I'm guessing if it happens, it will be something like this:

"Hey everyone, Windows 12 is FREE! That's right, free! Go ahead and upgrade today!!! Oh, by the way if you want to unlock most of the features, or be able to modify anything, you need to upgrade from basic to full edition. But it's only 9.99/month, and even better we'll give you a yearly subscription for only $99!"

Eeh it has to be 15,99 a week dont forget and 99 a month but if this happend i will go back to xp for they would absolutly make sub for 10/11 aswell

[Wolfstorm]

leh2012님이 먼저 게시:

Another reason to keep using older OS...

And an extremely legitimate reason for it.

[BJWyler]

Wolfstorm님이 먼저 게시:

leh2012님이 먼저 게시:

Another reason to keep using older OS...

And an extremely legitimate reason for it.

The thing is, what legitimate to you may not be legitimate to anyone else. I have legit reasons to keep using DOS. I have legit reasons for dumpster diving to find old machines with floppy drives. I have legit reasons for keeping my old machines running in VMs. But my reasons don't amount to an anthill of beans to Valve, Microsoft, or anyone else. So while I have legit reasons for using my stuff, I understand that doing so will come with ever increasing limitations.

[Tito Shivan]

BJWyler님이 먼저 게시:

I have legit reasons to keep using DOS. I have legit reasons for dumpster diving to find old machines with floppy drives.

The thing to keep in mind is 'a' legit reason doesn't make it 'the' legit reason.

[Kiwi {JESUS IS LORD}]

Hobbit XIII님이 먼저 게시:

duglasmark94님이 먼저 게시:

Microsoft Windows 12 Could Require a Subscription

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/microsoft-windows-12-could-require-a-subscription

I did not read the article but seeing the trend of the world I can see operating systems becoming subscription only with reduced capability to be offline to do stuff.
Will it be number 12?
I cannot put a number on it but I agree.
Years ago I read an article about game streaming and I thought people won't go for it they could be held hostage to their games....
Not quite being held hostage to upgrade but way things have developed on Steam as an example the subscription pc reality is getting nearer.

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/no-of-course-windows-12-wont-require-a-subscription-to-use

[AC Dosage]

It won't require a subscription till the anti-trust case against google wins because they know a subscription would open them up to competition when users start leaving in droves looking for an alternative. In would happily step google to expand their android stranglehold on as many platforms as possible.

[Crashed]

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Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

You only gave misinformation and conspiracy theories.

Get as high as you want, won't make me wrong...

I'm sober.