Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[Thermal Lance]

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the writing on the wall looking around is that Linux will keep on rising.
Windows advantage is that it comes already packaged and bought straight from the shops.
Linux advantage is its free and you can choose the version you want. It is also very good on older computers where windows will thrash the fans the Linux is computer chip friendly and will keep your computers running longer.

People are being very dismissive on windows 7 saying its dead get over it etc etc
It is far from dead it just won't be very good for online.

There is something interesting and slightly disturbing with the 'get with the times' and militant stance from people against those who just like using their current tools.
I know some people are equally militant in there defence of windows 7.

We as in society don't just have the obligatory push from the retailers but getting it from each other is something to consider. I am not just speaking about the simple upgrade of one windows OS to the next.

I don't think that's what's happening... I won't speak for everyone but I believe that the majority of those "defending" Valve don't care WHAT operating system somebody wants to use. If you want Windows 7, great, go with it, never change if that's what makes you happy.

The reason so many are coming out "against" windows 7 is because it keeps being represented as "oh no evil corporation being evil and stealing our games" when it's really just "oh no corporation is being a corporation and trying to stay modern." But people will keep bringing up arguments that are... Let's just say for the sake of diplomacy, very open to rebuttal. And as such, people rebut.

I, and I'm sure many other 10 users, WANT people to be able to play the games they bought. They're still there, waiting to be played. But being angry on a forum isn't going to help launch them if they can't run Steam after 2024.

Yes, indeed, As stated in a prior post. I would love EVERYONE to use the OS they want at all times. But, this ain't how things work with home computing. OSes lives and dies.

And you certaintly don't fight progress nor change it with BS.

[Komarimaru]

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I like how explaining basic fact is considered fear mongering now. I mean, have any of these people actually done a fresh install of win10 or 11 and run these tools? Because the amount of ♥♥♥♥ on this program is insane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9L0udNV9M

And to make things worse, more than half the ♥♥♥♥ this guy disables gets reset every couple of "forced" updates. If you still feel like your computer is yours after that, then I don't think there's any help for you...

I don't want onedrive.
I don't want cortana.
I don't want microshafts ♥♥♥♥ app store.
I really don't want it's default apps "like xbox".
I don't want it's comparative "double-sized" and broken device drivers
I don't want it's broken and FORCED ♥♥♥♥-ing updates.
I don't want it's spyware.
I don't want a phone for a computer, the phones are bad enough.
Not even ltsc versions fix all of this.

It's really that simple.

Yes, everyone links his video, where it's all OEM spamware installed on it. He's clickbaiting for views...

Anyone with half a brain can download and install Windows 11 with a fresh install, do the same tests they did and see none of that garbage is there. As someone did way earlier in this thread proving it.

[Thermal Lance]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 76561198083042378:

I like how explaining basic fact is considered fear mongering now. I mean, have any of these people actually done a fresh install of win10 or 11 and run these tools? Because the amount of ♥♥♥♥ on this program is insane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9L0udNV9M

And to make things worse, more than half the ♥♥♥♥ this guy disables gets reset every couple of "forced" updates. If you still feel like your computer is yours after that, then I don't think there's any help for you...

I don't want onedrive.
I don't want cortana.
I don't want microshafts ♥♥♥♥ app store.
I really don't want it's default apps "like xbox".
I don't want it's comparative "double-sized" and broken device drivers
I don't want it's broken and FORCED ♥♥♥♥-ing updates.
I don't want it's spyware.
I don't want a phone for a computer, the phones are bad enough.
Not even ltsc versions fix all of this.

It's really that simple.

Yes, everyone links his video, where it's all OEM spamware installed on it. He's clickbaiting for views...

Anyone with half a brain can download and install Windows 11 with a fresh install, do the same tests they did and see none of that garbage is there. As someone did way earlier in this thread proving it.

Gotta give him a point. OneDrive. IS annoying. But, it can also be uninstalled.

[XPho3nixRisingX]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 76561198083042378:

I like how explaining basic fact is considered fear mongering now. I mean, have any of these people actually done a fresh install of win10 or 11 and run these tools? Because the amount of ♥♥♥♥ on this program is insane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9L0udNV9M

And to make things worse, more than half the ♥♥♥♥ this guy disables gets reset every couple of "forced" updates. If you still feel like your computer is yours after that, then I don't think there's any help for you...

I don't want onedrive.
I don't want cortana.
I don't want microshafts ♥♥♥♥ app store.
I really don't want it's default apps "like xbox".
I don't want it's comparative "double-sized" and broken device drivers
I don't want it's broken and FORCED ♥♥♥♥-ing updates.
I don't want it's spyware.
I don't want a phone for a computer, the phones are bad enough.
Not even ltsc versions fix all of this.

It's really that simple.

Yes, everyone links his video, where it's all OEM spamware installed on it. He's clickbaiting for views...

Anyone with half a brain can download and install Windows 11 with a fresh install, do the same tests they did and see none of that garbage is there. As someone did way earlier in this thread proving it.

Really, because I've installed a fresh ISO myself and saw exactly the same stuff. Not to mention you completely ignoring literally everything in the ShutUp10 program, that is there without question...

This dude has been reputable forever, and he uses microshaft's own isos. The guy literally teaches people how to remove that stuff, and I've never once in years caught it on his systems unless he was testing AV on it... And that's in a VM.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh RasaNova:

I don't think that's what's happening... I won't speak for everyone but I believe that the majority of those "defending" Valve don't care WHAT operating system somebody wants to use. If you want Windows 7, great, go with it, never change if that's what makes you happy.

The reason so many are coming out "against" windows 7 is because it keeps being represented as "oh no evil corporation being evil and stealing our games" when it's really just "oh no corporation is being a corporation and trying to stay modern." But people will keep bringing up arguments that are... Let's just say for the sake of diplomacy, very open to rebuttal. And as such, people rebut.

I, and I'm sure many other 10 users, WANT people to be able to play the games they bought. They're still there, waiting to be played. But being angry on a forum isn't going to help launch them if they can't run Steam after 2024.

Well, idt anyone can really know what's gonna run atp. A person like me that plays mostly non DRM games offline may be fine. Maybe not. I would think they should at least give us guidance in what they're exactly doing.

Going to your other points, in folks trying to protect corporations, of all things, is only something i've seen here. And there is suspect, some about 10 to 15 of these regular posters, work advertantly or inadvertantly for Steam. Others just trolling for the sake of doing it imo.

If not, it think it's going to be tough explain why they would spend every moment doing it. Complainers are the ones being affected and so of course they're gonna complain.

But if you went to a picket line lets say, you have the union who are the ones complaining, and would think those on the other side, would be the corporation.

And so i'm confident atp, given statements made by some of these posters, admittedly, that they are working advertantly or inadvertantly working for Steam. It's not gonna stop the complaints though.

I would trust Steam employees over ones who work for Xbox.

[xBCxRangers]

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Well, idt anyone can really know what's gonna run atp. A person like me that plays mostly non DRM games offline may be fine. Maybe not. I would think they should at least give us guidance in what they're exactly doing.

Going to your other points, in folks trying to protect corporations, of all things, is only something i've seen here. And there is suspect, some about 10 to 15 of these regular posters, work advertantly or inadvertantly for Steam. Others just trolling for the sake of doing it imo.

If not, it think it's going to be tough explain why they would spend every moment doing it. Complainers are the ones being affected and so of course they're gonna complain.

But if you went to a picket line lets say, you have the union who are the ones complaining, and would think those on the other side, would be the corporation.

And so i'm confident atp, given statements made by some of these posters, admittedly, that they are working advertantly or inadvertantly working for Steam. It's not gonna stop the complaints though.

I would trust Steam employees over ones who work for Xbox.

Oh i work for Xbox now lol. Oh that's exactly who they want. An old man still using Win 7 and knows nothing about tech lol.

[Komarimaru]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

Yes, everyone links his video, where it's all OEM spamware installed on it. He's clickbaiting for views...

Anyone with half a brain can download and install Windows 11 with a fresh install, do the same tests they did and see none of that garbage is there. As someone did way earlier in this thread proving it.

Really, because I've installed a fresh ISO myself and saw exactly the same stuff. Not to mention you completely ignoring literally everything in the OSU program, that is there without question...

This dude has been reputable forever, and he uses microshaft's own isos. The guy literally teaches people how to remove that stuff, and I've never once in years caught it on his systems unless he was testing AV on it... And that's in a VM.

No, he did not use Microsofts ISO. He admits freely it's an OEM laptop fresh out of the box.

And now I know you're lying, since 90% of the stuff in those two videos was all OEM software making those connections that Windows 11 does not have. Meaning you never installed it and actually looked.

[Thermal Lance]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 76561198083042378:

Really, because I've installed a fresh ISO myself and saw exactly the same stuff. Not to mention you completely ignoring literally everything in the OSU program, that is there without question...

This dude has been reputable forever, and he uses microshaft's own isos. The guy literally teaches people how to remove that stuff, and I've never once in years caught it on his systems unless he was testing AV on it... And that's in a VM.

No, he did not use Microsofts ISO. He admits freely it's an OEM laptop fresh out of the box.

And now I know you're lying, since 90% of the stuff in those two videos was all OEM software making those connections that Windows 11 does not have. Meaning you never installed it and actually looked.

When I got my new laptop. First thing I did was a fresh install. Then I removed whatever programs I dont plan to use. (Phone link, onedrive... etc.)

Once the initial barrage of updates was done with, the experience was hardly different than any other OS I used in the past. And I saw nothing extra alarming either.

I choosed Linux thought at the end but it was for a whole different reason than "muh spyware".

[Komarimaru]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

No, he did not use Microsofts ISO. He admits freely it's an OEM laptop fresh out of the box.

And now I know you're lying, since 90% of the stuff in those two videos was all OEM software making those connections that Windows 11 does not have. Meaning you never installed it and actually looked.

When I got my new laptop. First thing I did was a fresh install. Then I removed whatever programs I dont plan to use. (Phone link, onedrive... etc.)

Once the initial barrage of updates was done with, the experience was hardly different than any other OS I used in the past. And I saw nothing extra alarming either.

I choosed Linux thought at the end but it was for a whole different reason than "muh spyware".

Ya, laptops and a few desktop manufacturers are notorious for all the spamware already installed on the device. I did the same thing with my MSI GT76 Titan. Wiped the drive and just did a fresh install and then installed drivers from manufacturers website.

Done.

And will admit, one drive sucks unless get the paid version. But as mentioned earlier, you can remove one drive, remove cortana, remove all the features not wanted in under 1 minute.

[BJWyler]

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The reason so many are coming out "against" windows 7 is because it keeps being represented as "oh no evil corporation being evil and stealing our games" when it's really just "oh no corporation is being a corporation and trying to stay modern." But people will keep bringing up arguments that are... Let's just say for the sake of diplomacy, very open to rebuttal. And as such, people rebut.

The irony is the sheer hypocrisy of them bashing the evil corporation while extolling the virtues of their favorite OS of same said evil corporation is really quite amusing.

It's the same arguments people made back when 95 replaced 3.11. It was the same arguments made when XP replaced 98. It was the same arguments made when Vista/7 replaced XP. But here we are, with 10/11 taking 90% of the marketshare, just like 95/98 did. Just like XP did. Just like 7 did. Methinks they doth protest too much.

I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people complaining here will be upgrading to a supported OS in the coming months and they will continue to be using Steam for a long time to come.

[XPho3nixRisingX]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 76561198083042378:

Really, because I've installed a fresh ISO myself and saw exactly the same stuff. Not to mention you completely ignoring literally everything in the OSU program, that is there without question...

This dude has been reputable forever, and he uses microshaft's own isos. The guy literally teaches people how to remove that stuff, and I've never once in years caught it on his systems unless he was testing AV on it... And that's in a VM.

No, he did not use Microsofts ISO. He admits freely it's an OEM laptop fresh out of the box.

And now I know you're lying, since 90% of the stuff in those two videos was all OEM software making those connections that Windows 11 does not have. Meaning you never installed it and actually looked.

You're the one lying kid. Even if it wasn't OEM, it would still show most of that. And even if it didn't It'd still have all of this...

https://postimg.cc/gallery/qvKQDLq/185ab296

You can scream lies all you want, but at the end of the day 90+ percent of those dns queries led back to a microshaft or msdn "microshaft" domain.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

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I would trust Steam employees over ones who work for Xbox.

Oh i work for Xbox now lol. Oh that's exactly who they want. An old man still using Win 7 and knows nothing about tech lol.

Call it what you want. Either "advertently or inadvertently".

[Komarimaru]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Komarimaru:

No, he did not use Microsofts ISO. He admits freely it's an OEM laptop fresh out of the box.

And now I know you're lying, since 90% of the stuff in those two videos was all OEM software making those connections that Windows 11 does not have. Meaning you never installed it and actually looked.

You're the one lying kid. Even if it wasn't OEM, it would still show most of that. And even if it didn't It'd still have all of this...

https://postimg.cc/gallery/qvKQDLq/185ab296

You can scream lies all you want, but at the end of the day 90+ percent of those dns queries led back to a microshaft or msdn "microshaft" domain.

Yes, OEM laptop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT4vDfA_4NI

And that video you linked, shows Shutup10, which we tell people to use like yourself that don't know what they are doing or know what they are talking about.

Literally what everyone has said to use.

As for that video, with Shutup10.

https://youtu.be/VU9L0udNV9M?si=IUpxqDdEI9nY-T4s&t=568 9:28 in. He's saying it's fine to have those connections, but can disable every feature if want.

So don't call people a kid when you don't know what you're talking about.

[BJWyler]

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Gotta give him a point. OneDrive. IS annoying. But, it can also be uninstalled.

The thing is, those apps may not be useful for him, but they can be, and are useful for a great many other people.

And quite frankly, I haven't had an issue with device drivers and updates since the 98 and early XP days.

I also find it much easier to do video calls and conferencing on my laptop than on my phone, so I'm glad for those features.

[Thermal Lance]

Ubuntu based Linux OS are ideal for beginners. Stable and does the job. But, many packages on the depot are outdated.

Fedora is a bit of a pain in the ass to setup for gaming when you don't know ♥♥♥♥ about linux. Fortunately, Nobara Project has you covered.

Arch-based distros mostly require a bit more knowledge. Mostly because it's always on the bleeding edge of updates. And sometimes, ♥♥♥♥ happens. So you gotta be willing to tinker a bit once in a while.

I went with an Arch-Based distro because I feel at home with the terminal centric EndeavourOS. I grew up with DOS after all. Plus the AUR is a huge plus that saves a lot of time with compiling ♥♥♥♥. The only problem with the AUR is that some packages are poorly maintained or straight up out of date. I installed Pacseek to counter that. It's a package manager that also cover AUR packages which shows the name of who maintains the package and the update date.

https://imgur.com/a/ViZzZtB