Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[Mr. Smiles]

And we have reached the "just call anyone who disagrees a shill" portion of the thread. These all end up the same, should just ask a mod to merge em or bring back mega threads...

[Zaskar]

引用自 InfernusMatrix：

引用自 nullable：

I understand your feelings. But you know how you said you'd never agree to this or that earlier, but then it turns out you did?

Same deal. You agreed to this. Wanting to renegotiate it after the fact is quaint.

None of these things were a secret. If you had such strong opinions, you probably should of done your research first.

You act like a TOS is a Blood oath or something... Weird... Steam will have some tough questions to face in the future for sure.

Maybe. But not supporting a 15 years old OS will most likely not be one of them. Microsoft dropped support and Google will as well, it's unreasonnable to expect lifetime support. You not wanting to upgrade for whatever reason is a you problem.

The SSA is still a contract and you not reading it or disagree with it despite having clicked the "I agree" button doesn't invalidate it.

In any way, if you feel like you've been wronged, talk to a lawyer.

[Edu2703]

So you're willing to waste money on a lawyer to defend you in a case that has zero chance of a decision in your favor instead of using that money to upgrade? All this just for the sake of using an outdated and insecure OS?

Well, good luck with that. I'm not going to tell you not to, because I'm curious to know how far you intend to go with this.

[xBCxRangers]

"In any way, if you feel like you've been wronged, talk to a lawyer".

That'll likely be a given, but why idt this isn't going to happen, and why they're going to go to a Legacy Client like EA did.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

"In any way, if you feel like you've been wronged, talk to a lawyer".

That'll likely be a given, but why idt this isn't going to happen, and why they're going to go to a Legacy Client like EA did.

speak to consumer affairs in your area... they know all the laws...

[Mr. Smiles]

引用自 Edu2703：

So you're willing to waste money on a lawyer to defend you in a case that has zero chance of a decision in your favor instead of using that money to upgrade? All this just for the sake of using an outdated and insecure OS?

Well, good luck with that. I'm not going to tell you not to, because I'm curious to know how far you intend to go with this.

It's TeH prINciplE oF tHe ThINg.

Anyway, op is just trolling now, so I'm out.

Have fun.

[InfernusMatrix]

引用自 Edu2703：

So you're willing to waste money on a lawyer to defend you in a case that has zero chance of a decision in your favor instead of using that money to upgrade? All this just for the sake of using an outdated and insecure OS?

Well, good luck with that. I'm not going to tell you not to, because I'm curious to know how far you intend to go with this.

How is it insecure? You know nothinng about my software and hardware setup except for my OS. My internet is operated within a VM but thanks for parroting the base level argument everyone makes. My computer security is not your concern.

I do believe a jury would agree with me.

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 ragefifty50：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

"In any way, if you feel like you've been wronged, talk to a lawyer".

That'll likely be a given, but why idt this isn't going to happen, and why they're going to go to a Legacy Client like EA did.

speak to consumer affairs in your area... they know all the laws...

These tech companies are dealing with a lot bigger of a chainsaw then consumer affairs. Congress, Federal Trade Commissions and others are salivating to break up and regulate these companies, and should.

This Steam has become a deregulated whorehouse, where anything seems to go here. Ask Tik Tok, Twitter, Facebook and other how that's going for them.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

引用自 InfernusMatrix：

引用自 Edu2703：

So you're willing to waste money on a lawyer to defend you in a case that has zero chance of a decision in your favor instead of using that money to upgrade? All this just for the sake of using an outdated and insecure OS?

Well, good luck with that. I'm not going to tell you not to, because I'm curious to know how far you intend to go with this.

How is it insecure? You know nothinng about my software and hardware setup except for my OS. My internet is operated within a VM but thanks for parroting the base level argument everyone makes. My computer security is not your concern.

my biggest concern when sticking with win 7 was no more security updates...


maybe you should share with people hanging on... how you keep it secure...
because all i find is maybe you should use the computer offline and you'll be ok...

and if you can get a bit technical... there are technical things you can do...

alot of people arent that technical...

i got over my fear.... windows 10 and the smooth upgrade to win 11 was great....

and all the programs i ran on win 7... seem to run as good if not better now...

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

I mean almost every game that runs on Win7 also runs on win10/win11, so it's not an issue of that.

However a lot of users, are trying to paint it as such.

[Edu2703]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

I mean almost every game that runs on Win7 also runs on win10/win11, so it's not an issue of that.

However a lot of users, are trying to paint it as such.

I still haven't seen a single game that works on Windows 7 but doesn't work at all on Windows 10 or 11.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

引用自 Beltneck：

I do agree though, that if you paid for something you should have a right to enjoy its use whenever you want. But most EULAs are a slap in the face to that, which is exactly why places like the Pirate Bay aren't going away.

Basically elements of Steam aren't going to be functional on Win7, and they also want to implement new tools that aren't available on Win7.

Expecting them to have a separate client entirely, that has both access to the current store apis, etc. Is a bit of a big job, then of course, also keeping that client updated with securities so nobody can crack it/find further bugs/glitches in it.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

引用自 Edu2703：

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

I mean almost every game that runs on Win7 also runs on win10/win11, so it's not an issue of that.

However a lot of users, are trying to paint it as such.

I still haven't seen a single game that works on Windows 7 but doesn't work at all on Windows 10 or 11.

Nor have I and my library on this account alone is nearing 1,100.

[InfernusMatrix]

引用自 nullable：

引用自 InfernusMatrix：

How is it insecure? You know nothinng about my software and hardware setup except for my OS. My internet is operated within a VM but thanks for parroting the base level argument everyone makes. My computer security is not your concern.

Well MS would be the expert on that. And you're gonna look pretty silly trying to argue you know better than MS about their own software. But it does seem like you'd want to try, convinced MS was lying.

The security of your individual system is moot. Valve isn't ending support for Windows 7 based on your system.

引用自 InfernusMatrix：

I do believe a jury would agree with me.

Well that's the great thing about imagination... it's 100% accurate, until it's not. Again though, you're gonna have to deal with arbitration, so no jury is going to agree with you. Maybe the arbitrator will, but feeling like you're winning in a topic where you've engaged in your own self-serving argument may not reflect reality like you hope.

My distrust of Microsoft is what made me want to learn about computers and how to secure them.

Fair point about the court system, but wouldn't you secretly like for me to succeed with such an endeavor? After all such a victory would benefit the consumer.

[InfernusMatrix]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

引用自 Beltneck：

I do agree though, that if you paid for something you should have a right to enjoy its use whenever you want. But most EULAs are a slap in the face to that, which is exactly why places like the Pirate Bay aren't going away.

Basically elements of Steam aren't going to be functional on Win7, and they also want to implement new tools that aren't available on Win7.

Expecting them to have a separate client entirely, that has both access to the current store apis, etc. Is a bit of a big job, then of course, also keeping that client updated with securities so nobody can crack it/find further bugs/glitches in it.

They already have a working Windows 7 client, I am on it right now. It wouldn't be that burdensome to release simple bug fixes and nothing more. Hell I would be willing to sign a new TOS that says "THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MY UNSECURED OS" or whatever legal jargon to keep them out of any responsibility.

Whatever new features they want to add I obviously don't need. Most likely new ways to spy on their users lol.