Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[lailaamell]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Earthworm Jim:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย InfernusMatrix:

1. Microsoft doesn't dictate what I do with my computer. I hand build each of mine.

So when you hand build each of your computers what OS will you now be using, if not WIndows? Linux maybe? I dont really know if that OS would even support it, but you seem like the type that does do your own research.

2. I really don't care, I want to access and play the games I purchased. Simple right?

Very simple, all the games have to be played through the Steam client, if I am not mistaken

3. Don't worry about my security. It's not your responsibility.

This is correct, but an outdated OS will be just like dropping a wad of cash in a bar, it will make everyone notice you

4. Care to elaborate? That is interesting.


5. What does age have to do with this discussion? Seriously? I am far from the only one being upset and annoyed by these recent developments.

Not sure if anyone else is annoyed, or upset... Steam is my second favorite place to play games, when I have the time and choose to not use my Xbox, which is also not the latest model, but still works...

they killed xbox one off

[Nige]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

EA Desktop won't work forever on Windows 7 and you can't buy EA games on GoG.

"Can I still use Windows 7 after 2023?
Yes, Windows 7 can still be used after Jan. 10, 2023. However, since no security updates will be provided to the OS, it can easily be exploited by threat actors if vulnerabilities arise in it.Mar 31, 2023"

I guess what they're saying, is you can use it, it just won't be supported, Which is fine with me, and Steam should do the same.

But Steam is an online service. It’s DRM. Microsoft won’t touch any of the code for Windows 7 and it will (may) work in isolation as an offline ‘time capsule’ . Over time any software that connects to the outside world (internet browsers, time services, drivers and services which connect to the internet, printer drivers ….) will all stop working. Valve and others simply cannot continue to take into consideration operating systems that have been deprecated by their developers. Furthermore, it’s more than likely that most if not all of your games will run on Windows 10 or Windows 11.
To be honest I hate change and I detest artificially imposed obsolescence. It is a criminal waste of the resources of our planet to be constantly upgrading and throwing away perfectly good kit. I have a gen1 iPad that is way more sturdy than newer versions, but it won’t run anything without serious modification. I also kept a ZX81 for years (my first ever computer!). It worked for years, but then stopped working and there was nobody left who knew how to repair it, and their were no parts available to repair it.
I feel for you, but your best option is to update and explore virtualisation for the software that really won’t work, bit you will find that most of it does (with tweaking).

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lailaamell95:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Earthworm Jim:

Not sure if anyone else is annoyed, or upset... Steam is my second favorite place to play games, when I have the time and choose to not use my Xbox, which is also not the latest model, but still works...

they killed xbox one off

How? I'm on Xbox One. Hell i can still fire up my PS1 and play games lol. Colecovision, Intellivision, ATARI lol.

On console, we keep our games forever, no matter if the system is supported or not.

It was my mistake, and my bad many years ago to buy these games, being i never thought they can shut off the switch. In short, here on Steam we're renting these games based on rental agreements, where on console we own it seems.

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Nige:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

"Can I still use Windows 7 after 2023?
Yes, Windows 7 can still be used after Jan. 10, 2023. However, since no security updates will be provided to the OS, it can easily be exploited by threat actors if vulnerabilities arise in it.Mar 31, 2023"

I guess what they're saying, is you can use it, it just won't be supported, Which is fine with me, and Steam should do the same.

But Steam is an online service. It’s DRM. Microsoft won’t touch any of the code for Windows 7 and it will (may) work in isolation as an offline ‘time capsule’ . Over time any software that connects to the outside world (internet browsers, time services, drivers and services which connect to the internet, printer drivers ….) will all stop working. Valve and others simply cannot continue to take into consideration operating systems that have been deprecated by their developers. Furthermore, it’s more than likely that most if not all of your games will run on Windows 10 or Windows 11.
To be honest I hate change and I detest artificially imposed obsolescence. It is a criminal waste of the resources of our planet to be constantly upgrading and throwing away perfectly good kit. I have a gen1 iPad that is way more sturdy than newer versions, but it won’t run anything without serious modification. I also kept a ZX81 for years (my first ever computer!). It worked for years, but then stopped working and there was nobody left who knew how to repair it, and their were no parts available to repair it.
I feel for you, but your best option is to update and explore virtualisation for the software that really won’t work, bit you will find that most of it does (with tweaking).

Right, some younger folks here may not remeber what we had in my own country called the "Digital Conversion". Basically, what that was was our government (the FCC) "forcing" us away from analog signals, and tube televisions.

Our options were, buy cable, buy a digital tv, OR the government woud send you coupons, for digital antennas. The excuse was, analog signals to be used by first respsonders.

Yet, instead of digitizing the first responders, rather than having to convert the whole country, nothing more than a give away to cable companies by our government, in my opinion, or to sell new tv's, given our tube tv's could last 20 or more years.

Of course the difference there, was "giving" folks who cannot upgrade, new equipment.

The situation here, is Gaben is wanting us to upgrade our OS, many or most of us posting here cannot, UNLESS we buy new equipment, all under the guise of the TOS he said we signed, as we are barred from games we rightfully purchased.

Whilst at the same time, GoG, EA and others, and finding ways to have us keep access to games we already bought.

And so, my lesson? In short, don't buy another game on Steam lol.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lailaamell95:

they killed xbox one off

How? I'm on Xbox One. Hell i can still fire up my PS1 and play games lol. Colecovision, Intellivision, ATARI lol.

On console, we keep our games forever, no matter if the system is supported or not.

It was my mistake, and my bad many years ago to buy these games, being i never thought they can shut off the switch. In short, here on Steam we're renting these games based on rental agreements, where on console we own it seems.

How many times does it need to be said? Your Steam account and games are still there, even after 2024. What happens if you do decide to come back to Steam? You re-bought on GoG for nothing.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Nige:

But Steam is an online service. It’s DRM. Microsoft won’t touch any of the code for Windows 7 and it will (may) work in isolation as an offline ‘time capsule’ . Over time any software that connects to the outside world (internet browsers, time services, drivers and services which connect to the internet, printer drivers ….) will all stop working. Valve and others simply cannot continue to take into consideration operating systems that have been deprecated by their developers. Furthermore, it’s more than likely that most if not all of your games will run on Windows 10 or Windows 11.
To be honest I hate change and I detest artificially imposed obsolescence. It is a criminal waste of the resources of our planet to be constantly upgrading and throwing away perfectly good kit. I have a gen1 iPad that is way more sturdy than newer versions, but it won’t run anything without serious modification. I also kept a ZX81 for years (my first ever computer!). It worked for years, but then stopped working and there was nobody left who knew how to repair it, and their were no parts available to repair it.
I feel for you, but your best option is to update and explore virtualisation for the software that really won’t work, bit you will find that most of it does (with tweaking).

Right, some younger folks here may not remeber what we had in my own country called the "Digital Conversion". Basically, what that was was our government (the FCC) "forcing" us away from analog signals, and tube televisions.

Our options were, buy cable, buy a digital tv, OR the government woud send you coupons, for digital antennas. The excuse was, analog signals to be used by first respsonders.

Yet, instead of digitizing the first responders, rather than having to convert the whole country, nothing more than a give away to cable companies by our government, in my opinion, or to sell new tv's, given our tube tv's could last 20 or more years.

Of course the difference there, was "giving" folks who cannot upgrade, new equipment.

The situation here, is Gaben is wanting us to upgrade our OS, many or most of us posting here cannot, UNLESS we buy new equipment, all under the guise of the TOS he said we signed, as we are barred from games we rightfully purchased.

Whilst at the same time, GoG, EA and others, and finding ways to have us keep access to games we already bought.

And so, my lesson? In short, don't buy another game on Steam lol.

LOL You're comparing HDTV to this?




Everything progresses. Cars, TV ect

By the way, I was 10 when you were born....so no "younger folk" here.

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

How? I'm on Xbox One. Hell i can still fire up my PS1 and play games lol. Colecovision, Intellivision, ATARI lol.

On console, we keep our games forever, no matter if the system is supported or not.

It was my mistake, and my bad many years ago to buy these games, being i never thought they can shut off the switch. In short, here on Steam we're renting these games based on rental agreements, where on console we own it seems.

How many times does it need to be said? Your Steam account and games are still there, even after 2024. What happens if you do decide to come back to Steam? You re-bought on GoG for nothing.

My console games from the 1970's are still there as well, The difference there is, i can play them whenever i want, while here come Jan, i cannot. I'd say that's a pretty substantial difference

[MonkehMaster]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Nige:

But Steam is an online service. It’s DRM. Microsoft won’t touch any of the code for Windows 7 and it will (may) work in isolation as an offline ‘time capsule’ . Over time any software that connects to the outside world (internet browsers, time services, drivers and services which connect to the internet, printer drivers ….) will all stop working. Valve and others simply cannot continue to take into consideration operating systems that have been deprecated by their developers. Furthermore, it’s more than likely that most if not all of your games will run on Windows 10 or Windows 11.
To be honest I hate change and I detest artificially imposed obsolescence. It is a criminal waste of the resources of our planet to be constantly upgrading and throwing away perfectly good kit. I have a gen1 iPad that is way more sturdy than newer versions, but it won’t run anything without serious modification. I also kept a ZX81 for years (my first ever computer!). It worked for years, but then stopped working and there was nobody left who knew how to repair it, and their were no parts available to repair it.
I feel for you, but your best option is to update and explore virtualisation for the software that really won’t work, bit you will find that most of it does (with tweaking).

Right, some younger folks here may not remeber what we had in my own country called the "Digital Conversion". Basically, what that was was our government (the FCC) "forcing" us away from analog signals, and tube televisions.

Our options were, buy cable, buy a digital tv, OR the government woud send you coupons, for digital antennas. The excuse was, analog signals to be used by first respsonders.

Yet, instead of digitizing the first responders, rather than having to convert the whole country, nothing more than a give away to cable companies by our government, in my opinion, or to sell new tv's, given our tube tv's could last 20 or more years.

Of course the difference there, was "giving" folks who cannot upgrade, new equipment.

The situation here, is Gaben is wanting us to upgrade our OS, many or most of us posting here cannot, UNLESS we buy new equipment, all under the guise of the TOS he said we signed, as we are barred from games we rightfully purchased.

Whilst at the same time, GoG, EA and others, and finding ways to have us keep access to games we already bought.

And so, my lesson? In short, don't buy another game on Steam lol.

tube tv's, i always hated those things, ugly pictures, screen tearing, among many other things.

that being said, yes they went digital and yes they gave out free digital converters for anyone still using a tv without digital support, not sure what the problem was, they werent forcing anyone to buy new tv's, if that were the case then they didnt have to give out free converters.

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

Right, some younger folks here may not remeber what we had in my own country called the "Digital Conversion". Basically, what that was was our government (the FCC) "forcing" us away from analog signals, and tube televisions.

Our options were, buy cable, buy a digital tv, OR the government woud send you coupons, for digital antennas. The excuse was, analog signals to be used by first respsonders.

Yet, instead of digitizing the first responders, rather than having to convert the whole country, nothing more than a give away to cable companies by our government, in my opinion, or to sell new tv's, given our tube tv's could last 20 or more years.

Of course the difference there, was "giving" folks who cannot upgrade, new equipment.

The situation here, is Gaben is wanting us to upgrade our OS, many or most of us posting here cannot, UNLESS we buy new equipment, all under the guise of the TOS he said we signed, as we are barred from games we rightfully purchased.

Whilst at the same time, GoG, EA and others, and finding ways to have us keep access to games we already bought.

And so, my lesson? In short, don't buy another game on Steam lol.

LOL You're comparing HDTV to this?




Everything progresses. Cars, TV ect

By the way, I was 10 when you were born....so no "younger folk" here.

You were 10 when i was born? That would make you 72. Anyhow the point being, we were "forced" into new technologies, but in doing so, they had to compensate us for the upgrade.

[Crashed]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MonkehMaster:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

Right, some younger folks here may not remeber what we had in my own country called the "Digital Conversion". Basically, what that was was our government (the FCC) "forcing" us away from analog signals, and tube televisions.

Our options were, buy cable, buy a digital tv, OR the government woud send you coupons, for digital antennas. The excuse was, analog signals to be used by first respsonders.

Yet, instead of digitizing the first responders, rather than having to convert the whole country, nothing more than a give away to cable companies by our government, in my opinion, or to sell new tv's, given our tube tv's could last 20 or more years.

Of course the difference there, was "giving" folks who cannot upgrade, new equipment.

The situation here, is Gaben is wanting us to upgrade our OS, many or most of us posting here cannot, UNLESS we buy new equipment, all under the guise of the TOS he said we signed, as we are barred from games we rightfully purchased.

Whilst at the same time, GoG, EA and others, and finding ways to have us keep access to games we already bought.

And so, my lesson? In short, don't buy another game on Steam lol.

tube tv's, i always hated those things, ugly pictures, screen tearing, among many other things.

that being said, yes they went digital and yes they gave out free digital converters for anyone still using a tv without digital support, not sure what the problem was, they werent forcing anyone to buy new tv's, if that were the case then they didnt have to give out free converters.

If you want to use that comparison, then maybe Valve should launch SteamOS 3 for PC before 2024 as the free "converter" for your older PCs or those you are against upgrading.

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MonkehMaster:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

Right, some younger folks here may not remeber what we had in my own country called the "Digital Conversion". Basically, what that was was our government (the FCC) "forcing" us away from analog signals, and tube televisions.

Our options were, buy cable, buy a digital tv, OR the government woud send you coupons, for digital antennas. The excuse was, analog signals to be used by first respsonders.

Yet, instead of digitizing the first responders, rather than having to convert the whole country, nothing more than a give away to cable companies by our government, in my opinion, or to sell new tv's, given our tube tv's could last 20 or more years.

Of course the difference there, was "giving" folks who cannot upgrade, new equipment.

The situation here, is Gaben is wanting us to upgrade our OS, many or most of us posting here cannot, UNLESS we buy new equipment, all under the guise of the TOS he said we signed, as we are barred from games we rightfully purchased.

Whilst at the same time, GoG, EA and others, and finding ways to have us keep access to games we already bought.

And so, my lesson? In short, don't buy another game on Steam lol.

tube tv's, i always hated those things, ugly pictures, screen tearing, among many other things.

that being said, yes they went digital and yes they gave out free digital converters for anyone still using a tv without digital support, not sure what the problem was, they werent forcing anyone to buy new tv's, if that were the case then they didnt have to give out free converters.

Well, they were forcing you into new technology, with the converters. If not, you would have a dead signal. And so, you were forced.

[MonkehMaster]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crashed:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MonkehMaster:

tube tv's, i always hated those things, ugly pictures, screen tearing, among many other things.

that being said, yes they went digital and yes they gave out free digital converters for anyone still using a tv without digital support, not sure what the problem was, they werent forcing anyone to buy new tv's, if that were the case then they didnt have to give out free converters.

If you want to use that comparison, then maybe Valve should launch SteamOS 3 for PC before 2024 as the free "converter" for your older PCs or those you are against upgrading.

what are you on about?

[Nige]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lailaamell95:

they killed xbox one off

How? I'm on Xbox One. Hell i can still fire up my PS1 and play games lol. Colecovision, Intellivision, ATARI lol.

On console, we keep our games forever, no matter if the system is supported or not.

It was my mistake, and my bad many years ago to buy these games, being i never thought they can shut off the switch. In short, here on Steam we're renting these games based on rental agreements, where on console we own it seems.

You are correct. There has been a shift in the software sales model over the years - nowadays it’s endless subscriptions and ‘licences’. Having said that, my N64 worked fine for years but tv sets moved on and no longer had the same connections, so I had to also keep a crt around. The CRT stopped working and then they were so expensive to buys, and then they could not be bought anywhere.
Valve aren’t shutting off the switch here though - their drm will only be supported on modern versions of Windows going forward. Similar to a lot of the games I lost which I bough on DVD but which had shonky DRM that was never updated to newer operating systems, things move on. I lost more games moving from Windows XP to Windows 7. The games I have on Steam have all survived intact through multiple Windows (and steam) versions.
Kudos to you for wanting to preserve historical set ups, but one cannot expect any external support for those.

[MonkehMaster]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MonkehMaster:

tube tv's, i always hated those things, ugly pictures, screen tearing, among many other things.

that being said, yes they went digital and yes they gave out free digital converters for anyone still using a tv without digital support, not sure what the problem was, they werent forcing anyone to buy new tv's, if that were the case then they didnt have to give out free converters.

Well, they were forcing you into new technology, with the converters. If not, you would have a dead signal. And so, you were forced.

forced to receive free digital tv? that was better quality than analog? and we didnt have to buy anything new?

i guess i was forced then... didnt bother me one bit, not really the same things as the topic here though...

[lailaamell]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MonkehMaster:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

Well, they were forcing you into new technology, with the converters. If not, you would have a dead signal. And so, you were forced.

forced to receive free digital tv? that was better quality than analog? and we didnt have to buy anything new?

i guess i was forced then... didnt bother me one bit, not really the same things as the topic here though...

no analog was better