Windows 7 Support Ending - Refunding my Entire Library?

[InfernusMatrix]

So let me get this straight, my games that run fine on Windows 7 I can no longer access past a certain point? If this is the case I will be talking to my bank and refunding my entire games library. I have zero interest in upgrading my hardware or Operating system.

Does this not violate consumer or anti-trust laws?

When I started using Steam I never agreed for them to control what hardware and operating system I can use, especially considering all of the games I play support Windows 7.

[Blackpot]

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

TheBasedSociety の投稿を引用：

Do you still listen to cassette tapes and vinyl like, unironically instead of just a nostalgic thing

Windows 7 is 14 years old. You were probably a small child when it released. It's a little under half my entire lifetime on this planet and I'm turning 30 this year. Let it go, mate. Don't be this guy.

Well listen to CDs i bought in the 80's. Phil Collns, Van Halen, hundreds. And i can play them thru an Xbox. In fact, i think the CD's and production from back then, are better than today.

I mean i understand the argument about going to new OS, but i think EA did away with Win 7 when they got away from Origin, but i can still play my games.

I think the argument made here, is that a legacy launcher or something of the sort, may be too "expensive" for Mr Newell, given the small numbers. But my contention is those "small numbers' may end up being millions of people, and these forums just a dress rehearsal, of the calamity that's going to happen, say as compared to the XP days.

The only danger that old CDs facing are disc rot. If the discks are kept in basement or in your car with wild temperature fluctuation

[xBCxRangers]

Blackpot の投稿を引用：

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

Well listen to CDs i bought in the 80's. Phil Collns, Van Halen, hundreds. And i can play them thru an Xbox. In fact, i think the CD's and production from back then, are better than today.

I mean i understand the argument about going to new OS, but i think EA did away with Win 7 when they got away from Origin, but i can still play my games.

I think the argument made here, is that a legacy launcher or something of the sort, may be too "expensive" for Mr Newell, given the small numbers. But my contention is those "small numbers' may end up being millions of people, and these forums just a dress rehearsal, of the calamity that's going to happen, say as compared to the XP days.

The only danger that old CDs facing are disc rot. If the discks are kept in basement or in your car with wild temperature fluctuation

Well that's everything man, things break. I had thousands of trading cards going back to 1970, all rotted, and had to "discard" them years ago.

The point being however, if the vinyls, cd's and the like work, nobody is taking them away, or putting a barrier between you and your various disc players.

[RasaNova]

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

TheBasedSociety の投稿を引用：

Do you still listen to cassette tapes and vinyl like, unironically instead of just a nostalgic thing

Windows 7 is 14 years old. You were probably a small child when it released. It's a little under half my entire lifetime on this planet and I'm turning 30 this year. Let it go, mate. Don't be this guy.

Well listen to CDs i bought in the 80's. Phil Collns, Van Halen, hundreds. And i can play them thru an Xbox. In fact, i think the CD's and production from back then, are better than today.

I mean i understand the argument about going to new OS, but i think EA did away with Win 7 when they got away from Origin, but i can still play my games.

I think the argument made here, is that a legacy launcher or something of the sort, may be too "expensive" for Mr Newell, given the small numbers. But my contention is those "small numbers' may end up being millions of people, and these forums just a dress rehearsal, of the calamity that's going to happen, say as compared to the XP days.

I think you're exactly right. But that's only the 2nd half the equation.

My thoughts, after replying to these topics for a couple weeks now and doing a LOT of research of various arguments and claims, is that it's mainly about the DRM. Steam is a DRM service, and any developer that uses it needs their games to "check in" to verify license ownership. A legacy/offline installer wouldn't be able to do this. GoG doesn't need this, because they simply don't sell DRM games. If they ever did, then it would be the exact same issue since GoG Galaxy has already dropped win7.

But by that same token, as I understand it (but I haven't tried personally) any game on Steam that is also available on GoG would still run because there would be no DRM. (it would just have to be installed or backed up before 2024.)

And because of this, it's possible they COULD come up with the means to get away from chromium and that is where the costs and resources become too high to be worthwhile.

[Blackpot]

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

Blackpot の投稿を引用：

The only danger that old CDs facing are disc rot. If the discks are kept in basement or in your car with wild temperature fluctuation

Well that's everything man, things break. I had thousands of trading cards going back to 1970, all rotted, and had to "discard" them years ago.

The point being however, if the vinyls, cd's and the like work, nobody is taking them away, or putting a barrier between you and your various disc players.

Yap. Modern CDs (factory pressed with identifiers) are more likely to outlive its owner. I've read somewhere some of them is able to last 300 years if well kept/handled.

My CD collection's (200-250 pieces) biggest threat is my clumsy hands that i drop them and scratching... Sadly happened not too long ago aswel.

[Rollandusa]

win 7 forever...if it aint broke don't fix it

[Dr. Dro ඞ]

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

The point being however, if the vinyls, cd's and the like work, nobody is taking them away, or putting a barrier between you and your various disc players.

Except when they break and new units are no longer manufactured, forcing you into the ever more decrepit used market, or depending on sheer luck to find replacement parts.

CDs haven't gone anywhere mostly because they're fair monetization and they still offer superior audio quality compared to most lossy codecs, but that's about it

Rollandusa の投稿を引用：

win 7 forever...if it aint broke don't fix it

except it broke a long time ago, was kept bandaged for years and now no one's interested anymore

[xBCxRangers]

RasaNova の投稿を引用：

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

Well listen to CDs i bought in the 80's. Phil Collns, Van Halen, hundreds. And i can play them thru an Xbox. In fact, i think the CD's and production from back then, are better than today.

I mean i understand the argument about going to new OS, but i think EA did away with Win 7 when they got away from Origin, but i can still play my games.

I think the argument made here, is that a legacy launcher or something of the sort, may be too "expensive" for Mr Newell, given the small numbers. But my contention is those "small numbers' may end up being millions of people, and these forums just a dress rehearsal, of the calamity that's going to happen, say as compared to the XP days.

I think you're exactly right. But that's only the 2nd half the equation.

My thoughts, after replying to these topics for a couple weeks now and doing a LOT of research of various arguments and claims, is that it's mainly about the DRM. Steam is a DRM service, and any developer that uses it needs their games to "check in" to verify license ownership. A legacy/offline installer wouldn't be able to do this. GoG doesn't need this, because they simply don't sell DRM games. If they ever did, then it would be the exact same issue since GoG Galaxy has already dropped win7.

But by that same token, as I understand it (but I haven't tried personally) any game on Steam that is also available on GoG would still run because there would be no DRM. (it would just have to be installed or backed up before 2024.)

And because of this, it's possible they COULD come up with the means to get away from chromium and that is where the costs and resources become too high to be worthwhile.

Right and another issue, being you're saying older games may have compatbility issues, is they're still being sold here at the store. And so, if they're not gong to be compatible, or problems in that regard, they should be taken out asap, if the Jan date is solid, or if they're not coming out with other options.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

TheBasedSociety の投稿を引用：

Rollandusa の投稿を引用：

win 7 forever...if it aint broke don't fix it

except it broke a long time ago, was kept bandaged for years and now no one's interested anymore

I'm playing games on Windows 7 just fine at the moment. Doesn't seem broke to me.

[Dr. Dro ඞ]

SKARDAVNELNATE の投稿を引用：

TheBasedSociety の投稿を引用：

except it broke a long time ago, was kept bandaged for years and now no one's interested anymore

I'm playing games on Windows 7 just fine at the moment. Doesn't seem broke to me.

Sucks to be you! Guess it doesn't matter you can't even run a web browser anymore.

Be my guest, just don't drag the rest of us down

[RasaNova]

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

RasaNova の投稿を引用：

I think you're exactly right. But that's only the 2nd half the equation.

My thoughts, after replying to these topics for a couple weeks now and doing a LOT of research of various arguments and claims, is that it's mainly about the DRM. Steam is a DRM service, and any developer that uses it needs their games to "check in" to verify license ownership. A legacy/offline installer wouldn't be able to do this. GoG doesn't need this, because they simply don't sell DRM games. If they ever did, then it would be the exact same issue since GoG Galaxy has already dropped win7.

But by that same token, as I understand it (but I haven't tried personally) any game on Steam that is also available on GoG would still run because there would be no DRM. (it would just have to be installed or backed up before 2024.)

And because of this, it's possible they COULD come up with the means to get away from chromium and that is where the costs and resources become too high to be worthwhile.

Right and another issue, being you're saying older games may have compatbility issues, is they're still being sold here at the store. And so, if they're not gong to be compatible, or problems in that regard, they should be taken out asap, if the Jan date is solid, or if they're not coming out with other options.

Yeah I agree, I don't think they should be removed but there should be a CLEAR warning that they might not run.

In many cases, they DO get removed. For example just a couple days ago I tried to install Riddick Assault on Dark Athena. And, I found out that it simply does not work, due to the DRM used (TAGES) no longer working to authenticate the game. I look at the store page, only to find that it had been removed.

And then there are games such as Max Payne, which doesn't run on win7 OR 10, at least not without a LOT of work which is beyond my comfort level. It says right on the store page, "requires windows 2000/XP. So, WHY sell a game on Steam which can not even be launched from Steam??

I get the need for Valve to evolve with the tech & software, but I do think that they should make absolutely sure people can make informed decisions.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

RasaNova の投稿を引用：

xBCxRangers の投稿を引用：

Right and another issue, being you're saying older games may have compatbility issues, is they're still being sold here at the store. And so, if they're not gong to be compatible, or problems in that regard, they should be taken out asap, if the Jan date is solid, or if they're not coming out with other options.

Yeah I agree, I don't think they should be removed but there should be a CLEAR warning that they might not run.

In many cases, they DO get removed. For example just a couple days ago I tried to install Riddick Assault on Dark Athena. And, I found out that it simply does not work, due to the DRM used (TAGES) no longer working to authenticate the game. I look at the store page, only to find that it had been removed.

And then there are games such as Max Payne, which doesn't run on win7 OR 10, at least not without a LOT of work which is beyond my comfort level. It says right on the store page, "requires windows 2000/XP. So, WHY sell a game on Steam which can not even be launched from Steam??

I get the need for Valve to evolve with the tech & software, but I do think that they should make absolutely sure people can make informed decisions.

Dark Athena does not work because of Tages, nothing to with what OS you're using and Tages can be removed,

[Komarimaru]

Well, tried all the games listed, none are broken in 10 at least. And someone showed Call of Duty working as well. So... still waiting for these games that don't work on 10 and 11, but work fine on 7.

[RasaNova]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

RasaNova の投稿を引用：

Yeah I agree, I don't think they should be removed but there should be a CLEAR warning that they might not run.

In many cases, they DO get removed. For example just a couple days ago I tried to install Riddick Assault on Dark Athena. And, I found out that it simply does not work, due to the DRM used (TAGES) no longer working to authenticate the game. I look at the store page, only to find that it had been removed.

And then there are games such as Max Payne, which doesn't run on win7 OR 10, at least not without a LOT of work which is beyond my comfort level. It says right on the store page, "requires windows 2000/XP. So, WHY sell a game on Steam which can not even be launched from Steam??

I get the need for Valve to evolve with the tech & software, but I do think that they should make absolutely sure people can make informed decisions.

Dark Athena does not work because of Tages, nothing to with what OS you're using and Tages can be removed,

Yep, isn't that what I said?

As for its DRM being removed, the only ways I've found after a bit of research was to either play the GoG version or get it through less legal channels.

(There was another possible solution, a file that somebody had uploaded which fixed it for some but not everyone.)

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

Well, tried all the games listed, none are broken in 10 at least. And someone showed Call of Duty working as well. So... still waiting for these games that don't work on 10 and 11, but work fine on 7.

That was my screenshot and funny how none of the Windows 7 people acknowledged it.

[Komarimaru]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Komarimaru の投稿を引用：

Well, tried all the games listed, none are broken in 10 at least. And someone showed Call of Duty working as well. So... still waiting for these games that don't work on 10 and 11, but work fine on 7.

That was my screenshot and funny how none of the Windows 7 people acknowledged it.

Happens. They tend to skirt away from facts.