What the anti-woke steam posters want. What is the solution Valve?

[Obi WanX Konami]

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Women get called men or trans by these groups if they look like:

Normal everyday adult looking woman
Women that have a mature voice
Women that have a chin larger then a small child's
Women that dress normally and not like a adult cosplay artist or adult actress
Women who take a strong or intelligent role in a game centered around a White Male.

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

These forums have become 90% US politics with all the hate that comes with that. Maybe its time for a no politics rule.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Crazy Tiger:

Ursprungligen skrivet av -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

What on earth has this to do with anything?

Nothing besides muddying the water and drowning out genuine talk.

Indeed almost a DARVO tactic.

[The nameless Gamer]

I've said it too many times, there are thousands of games which don't have "unmentionables" in them. But instead of asking which those games are, the "anti-woke" are stuck to the few games they're outraged by like barnacles. As if they were actively looking for something to be outraged by.

[MemeMachine]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The nameless Gamer:

As if they were actively looking for something to be outraged by.

They are, lmao.
I am under the impression their sort is simply unable to have fun/find fun in anything that doesn't tick them off.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

it would be laughable were it not so dangerous.

Easy solutions for simple people.

[primeinsurrection]

Ursprungligen skrivet av MemeMachine:

Ursprungligen skrivet av The nameless Gamer:

As if they were actively looking for something to be outraged by.

They are, lmao.
I am under the impression their sort is simply unable to have fun/find fun in anything that doesn't tick them off.

Wouldnt the one changing history be the one with the issue, not so much the one simply mentioning that it is an issue? You can not see how taking away all realism doesnt ruin a game?

[miakisfan]

Ursprungligen skrivet av -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

OP, there have always been trolls on the forums as well as racists and bigots.

Unfortunately, we can never cure humanity of them, a small number will always remain.

Bear in mind, they are not the majority, nor will they ever be, but they are loud and angry and make noise far greater than their numbers.

There's noting to be done except to stick to the rules and hope Steam does the decent thing.

No Pasaran!

In fairness it could be argued that the woke are the trolls here.

Let us remember that the real majority are the people who play games ... not those who want to decide what belongs in games or not.

That is the true minority.

That is why I think they should stay. They have an opinion and you decide whether the opinion is right for you or not ... not your opinion is right for everyone else.

[Crazy Tiger]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The nameless Gamer:

As if they were actively looking for something to be outraged by.

They are. They want an "us vs them", they need it for self worth or such nonsense.

[MemeMachine]

Ursprungligen skrivet av primeinsurrection:

Ursprungligen skrivet av MemeMachine:

They are, lmao.
I am under the impression their sort is simply unable to have fun/find fun in anything that doesn't tick them off.

Wouldnt the one changing history be the one with the issue, not so much the one simply mentioning that it is an issue? You can not see how taking away all realism doesnt ruin a game?

Games aren't (unless specifically meant to) suppose to be realistic or display realistic issues.
If people want realism and real life issues, play a simulator game.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

Ursprungligen skrivet av miakisfan:

Ursprungligen skrivet av -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

OP, there have always been trolls on the forums as well as racists and bigots.

Unfortunately, we can never cure humanity of them, a small number will always remain.

Bear in mind, they are not the majority, nor will they ever be, but they are loud and angry and make noise far greater than their numbers.

There's noting to be done except to stick to the rules and hope Steam does the decent thing.

No Pasaran!

In fairness it could be argued that the woke are the trolls here.

Let us remember that the real majority are the people who play games ... not those who want to decide what belongs in games or not.

That is the true minority.

That is why I think they should stay. They have an opinion and you decide whether the opinion is right for you or not ... not your opinion is right for everyone else.

I refer you to my first and second post.

(my apologies for the edit, I was distracted by King of the hill on telly)

[Crazy Tiger]

Ursprungligen skrivet av MemeMachine:

Ursprungligen skrivet av primeinsurrection:

Wouldnt the one changing history be the one with the issue, not so much the one simply mentioning that it is an issue? You can not see how taking away all realism doesnt ruin a game?

Games aren't (unless specifically meant to) suppose to be realistic or display realistic issues.
If people want realism and real life issues, play a simulator game.

Agreed. I play games to enjoy myself, I don't need realism for that.

[Paratech2008]

Both sides have issues. Stereotyping people doesn't help, it just makes things worse.

People need to make their choice whether to buy games or not. Telling others what to buy or not buy doesn't work.

[miakisfan]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Obi WanX Konami:

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Women get called men or trans by these groups if they look like:

Normal everyday adult looking woman
Women that have a mature voice
Women that have a chin larger then a small child's
Women that dress normally and not like a adult cosplay artist or adult actress
Women who take a strong or intelligent role in a game centered around a White Male.

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

These forums have become 90% US politics with all the hate that comes with that. Maybe its time for a no politics rule.

There is only one real solution to this.

A developer makes a game and you decide whether or not you want to buy it. Vote with your wallet.

It shouldn't be about deciding what should or should not be in a game, telling the developers, then expecting everyone else to deal with what you wanted in it.

BTW you are under the assumption that the anti woke are the minority on this. I would beg to differ. The Woke are by far the minority when it comes to pushing an agenda. They just tend to have the loudest voices.

At the end of the day I see a game, see what is in the game, then decide whether I want to buy it or not.

If I see that decisions ere made to put certain things in a game I don't agree with I simply don't buy it. No point in complaining about something I had no control over in the first place.

Which brings me to this point ... this is all about controlling the narrative so you get your way. I would never buy a game that was allowed to be made with the support of a minority of gamers who want things their way. That is the way I see your argument. It is a massive failure in my opinion and would certainly force me not to purchase those games.

I think you are making HUGE assumptions when it comes to what certain groups of people want in their games. That speaks volumes about you negatively in my opinion. I am an individual and deserve to be treated as one and not by a group that you decide I should be in.

[MemeMachine]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Paratech2008:

People need to make their choice whether to buy games or not. Telling others what to buy or not buy doesn't work.

But it does, that's why Steam reviews are always looked at when checking how successful and healthy the game will be.
Bad games always have mixed or worse, with a low player count.

[ナルゴ]

How about just making good games with no out-of-place political messaging? Notice how diverse games in the past had no such push-back. Ultimately, people will buy games they think they'll enjoy. If they don't like the game, they'll refund it. If they see a review or gameplay stream and didn't like what was presented, then they'll avoid buying it.

Ursprungligen skrivet av miakisfan:

There is only one real solution to this.

A developer makes a game and you decide whether or not you want to buy it. Vote with your wallet.

[Crazy Tiger]

Ursprungligen skrivet av MemeMachine:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Paratech2008:

People need to make their choice whether to buy games or not. Telling others what to buy or not buy doesn't work.

But it does, that's why Steam reviews are always looked at when checking how successful and healthy the game will be.
Bad games always have mixed or worse, with a low player count.

Plenty of "mixed" games I played were much better and more fun than plenty of "very positive" games.
It doesn't mean much, seriously.

In my experience many games that end up in "mixed" are indie games that have the guts to try something new. Which results in different opinions among the player base, since things can be hit or miss for different people.

That, however, doesn't really change what Paratech was on about. People who tell others what they can or cannot buy based on stupid things like "woke" is what doesn't work.
Most games on the "WAAAAH, IT'S WOKE!!!" list are very enjoyable games that I'll play no matter how much random internet users X, Y and Z cry about it.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Nargo:

How about just making good games with no out-of-place political messaging? Notice how diverse games in the past had no such push-back.

Because the polictical messaging in them (hey look at me, the big strong straight, white, alpha male soldier) was "ok" according to people. The very same people who now cry foul.