What the anti-woke steam posters want. What is the solution Valve?

[Obi WanX Konami]

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Women get called men or trans by these groups if they look like:

Normal everyday adult looking woman
Women that have a mature voice
Women that have a chin larger then a small child's
Women that dress normally and not like a adult cosplay artist or adult actress
Women who take a strong or intelligent role in a game centered around a White Male.

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

These forums have become 90% US politics with all the hate that comes with that. Maybe its time for a no politics rule.

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boblin the Goblin:

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fiction

You keep cropping the post to change what they say. That isn't a good look.

I crop out your attempts to derail the thread, and I focus only on the relevant points and why you are wrong about them.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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You keep cropping the post to change what they say. That isn't a good look.

I crop out your attempts to derail the thread, and I focus only on the relevant points and why you are wrong about them.

That's a lie considering the part you cropped out literally explains how, despite being fiction, was based upon real life to act like I never said it was fiction.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

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but all that motivates us comes from "real life" unless you want two dimensional characterisation?

That's a lie. Romeo and Juliette never happened in real life, and that has been motivating people for how long now?

You don't have to shoehorn modern day current events into medieval fantasy worlds to get 3 dimensional characters.

but what was the characters motvations?, why did they do what they do?

lust, power, money, stupidity to name but a few all driven by the politics of the story and nature of where/when it was set.

politics is everywhere, you just don't realise it or you only think of it as politics when it's something you don't like perhaps?

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boblin the Goblin:

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

I crop out your attempts to derail the thread, and I focus only on the relevant points and why you are wrong about them.

That's a lie considering the part you cropped out literally explains how, despite being fiction, was based upon real life to act like I never said it was fiction.

False. Fiction is not real life. Emotions are a core part of the human experience. Humans now, humans in the past, and likely humans in alternate realities would all share the common experience of things like happiness, sadness, anger, etc.

The same is NOT true of 'current' events. Ergo, your claim was based on misinformation, not supported by the facts nor your arguments, and was cropped, omitted, and ignored.

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

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That's a lie. Romeo and Juliette never happened in real life, and that has been motivating people for how long now?

You don't have to shoehorn modern day current events into medieval fantasy worlds to get 3 dimensional characters.

but what was the characters motvations?, why did they do what they do?

lust, power, money, stupidity to name but a few all driven by the politics of the story and nature of where/when it was set.

politics is everywhere, you just don't realise it or you only think of it as politics when it's something you don't like perhaps?

Modern politics are not. Again, "Current" events do not apply universally, let alone muti-versally.

If you want to build a story with events mirroring our own, then you need to spend time world building to establish it as a mirror of our own, rather than just trying to amateurishly shoehorn modern sensibilities into a world totally divorced from it.

[Ben Lubar]

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Oprindeligt skrevet af -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

but what was the characters motvations?, why did they do what they do?

lust, power, money, stupidity to name but a few all driven by the politics of the story and nature of where/when it was set.

politics is everywhere, you just don't realise it or you only think of it as politics when it's something you don't like perhaps?

Modern politics are not. Again, "Current" events do not apply universally, let alone muti-versally.

If you want to build a story with events mirroring our own, then you need to spend time world building to establish it as a mirror of our own, rather than just trying to amateurishly shoehorn modern sensibilities into a world totally divorced from it.

Gay people have existed longer than the letters you are using right now have.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boblin the Goblin:

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That's a lie. Romeo and Juliette never happened in real life, and that has been motivating people for how long now?

You don't have to shoehorn modern day current events into medieval fantasy worlds to get 3 dimensional characters.

You mean the play was never written and therefore becoming real? Woah, is it like the moon landing?

I just think Romeo and Juliet isn't any good. It's suppose to be about a romance but there's only one scene where they speak to each other. Then it was only 4 days before they decided they couldn't live with each other. Plus the major conflict is suppose to be between two families. Romeo isn't even that well know but his voice is recognized while whispering to a friend. Forget the outdated political issues and the obtuse language, it's full of plot holes.

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ben Lubar:

Gay people have existed longer than the letters you are using right now have.

I didn't see very many people complaining about Sera in Dragon Age Inquisition.


I guess the tourists are all desperately googling "DAI Sera" right now, so they can keep pretending to be legitimately concerned fans of the series. LOL

EDIT:
For those that don't know. Sera was a gay female elf who hated elves and their traditions. She had a decent believable backstory. She was a fun character with a personality that was more that just her sexuality as a soap box. You could romance her even as an elf if your ideals aligned and you also didn't lean into elvish traditions. Even if you didn't try to romance her, she was just a fun and likeable character.

[Ben Lubar]

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Where are all the immediate replies to this:

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I didn't see very many people complaining about Sera in Dragon Age Inquisition.

I guess the tourists are all desperately googling "DAI Sera" right now, so they can keep pretending to be legitimately concerned fans of the series. LOL

I don't see the post you're referring to. Did you delete it?

In any case, if you're not talking about gay people, what do you mean when you say "modern politics"? Are you talking about black people? Women? Please use your words to explain.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

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That's a lie considering the part you cropped out literally explains how, despite being fiction, was based upon real life to act like I never said it was fiction.

False. Fiction is not real life. Emotions are a core part of the human experience. Humans now, humans in the past, and likely humans in alternate realities would all share the common experience of things like happiness, sadness, anger, etc.

The same is NOT true of 'current' events. Ergo, your claim was based on misinformation, not supported by the facts nor your arguments, and was cropped, omitted, and ignored.

Good thing I never said fiction was real life then huh? Romeo and Juliet was based on behaviors of the youth at the time. Which is what I said in the portion you cropped out.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

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Romeo and Juliet was based on behaviors of the youth at the time. Which is what I said in the portion you cropped out.

Oh, those youths. Dying over the slightest miscommunication. It's a wonder anyone lives long enough to get old.

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ben Lubar:

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Where are all the immediate replies to this:




I guess the tourists are all desperately googling "DAI Sera" right now, so they can keep pretending to be legitimately concerned fans of the series. LOL

I don't see the post you're referring to. Did you delete it?

In any case, if you're not talking about gay people, what do you mean when you say "modern politics"? Are you talking about black people? Women? Please use your words to explain.

Like an example would be Static Shock, for both good and bad.

In Justice League Unlimited, he is a poorly written token black guy. His only personality trait is, "I'm the black guy in this episode." Even if the other characters are shallow too, they at least still have hints of personality. Batman is still skeptical and paranoid. Wonder Woman is wanting to lean into the warrior mentality for solutions. Superman is still the boy scout that wants to see the best in everyone. Flash is still the jokester. Static though, just a check mark on the minority list.

So who is a good example of a black character? Also Static Shock:

https://youtu.be/c9s2v7CdCUE?si=f6QIaFqLmP8EmeN5

https://youtu.be/B6Qz5MCMgV8?si=Ee5LFMEHYUSiF-7M

In that series, he isn't perfect. He makes mistakes. He learns from them. He has a real personality with likes and dislikes. He deals with real world problems a high school guy would. He tries to balance getting grounded by his dad with saving the world, and he genuinely feels real and relatable, unlike the cardboard cutout version of him in JLU.

The problem is that people like you try to use their soap box of choice as a shield against criticism for poorly written characters like the JLU version of Static. Because the writers are lazy or unskilled and the token black guy Static in JLU is easier to shoehorn in, versus trying to make a well-written character like Static Shock was in his own series, they do not want people being able to criticize their lack of writing skill.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af SKARDAVNELNATE:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boblin the Goblin:

Romeo and Juliet was based on behaviors of the youth at the time. Which is what I said in the portion you cropped out.

Oh, those youths. Dying over the slightest miscommunication. It's a wonder anyone lives long enough to get old.

Oh, you took the play literally. That's unfortunate.

It's an exaggeration for the sake of comedic effect.

[Ben Lubar]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boblin the Goblin:

Oprindeligt skrevet af SKARDAVNELNATE:

Oh, those youths. Dying over the slightest miscommunication. It's a wonder anyone lives long enough to get old.

Oh, you took the play literally. That's unfortunate.

It's an exaggeration for the sake of comedic effect.

It's also, like many Shakespeare plays, a much older story that was adapted to the stage but not originally written by Shakespeare.

[Complete Domination]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierre_The_Scumbag:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Obi WanX Konami:

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

There isn't one, the whiny self entitlement and instant gratification is rancid in this day and age, even steam employees have issues, making stuff up and pushing agendas to suit their own needs, the days of just playing games and discussing them has long gone, half the time its forum warfare going on.

This but unironically coming from the woke, not anti-woke. The so-called anti-woke is in truth your average joe gamer being labelled and villified to make sure corporate pandering will continue to do so for tokenism ideologues.