What the anti-woke steam posters want. What is the solution Valve?

[Obi WanX Konami]

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Women get called men or trans by these groups if they look like:

Normal everyday adult looking woman
Women that have a mature voice
Women that have a chin larger then a small child's
Women that dress normally and not like a adult cosplay artist or adult actress
Women who take a strong or intelligent role in a game centered around a White Male.

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

These forums have become 90% US politics with all the hate that comes with that. Maybe its time for a no politics rule.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

You guys make me laugh. If politics around here is making you hiss then do exactly the same thing everybody else does: report it. They'll have no choice to look into it. And if this get a good traction then they'll consider doing something more global about it. Otherwise they won't even notice.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

OP, there have always been trolls on the forums as well as racists and bigots.

Unfortunately, we can never cure humanity of them, a small number will always remain.

Bear in mind, they are not the majority, nor will they ever be, but they are loud and angry and make noise far greater than their numbers.

There's noting to be done except to stick to the rules and hope Steam does the decent thing.

No Pasaran!

[76561199676067268]

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

OP, there have always been trolls on the forums as well as racists and bigots.

Unfortunately, we can never cure humanity of them, a small number will always remain.

Bear in mind, they are not the majority, nor will they ever be, but they are loud and angry and make noise far greater than their numbers.

There's noting to be done except to stick to the rules and hope Steam does the decent thing.

No Pasaran!

You know who are the actual small number? The 'modern audience'. That has been proven by now. Your wishful thinking has nothing to do with reality.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

It would be better if Valve doesn't take a position on this. As for the demands I don't believe what you've stated is an accurate assessment. There may be individuals that have expressed their personal preferences but those aren't core to the anti woke position.

What the anti-woke don't want...
Propaganda

What the anti-woke want...
A distraction from present day issues

[Xhoas]

Cool, more anime avatar for me...

[Abigail From Sneaky Squid Dept.]

I suggest just ignoring the antiwoke as they are just a very vocal minority. Just focus on enjoying the games you want and letting them scream into the void.

Most of them were never going to buy the piece of media they are complaining about even if everything in it was changed to meet their demands.

[hazydistance]

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

No Pasaran!

Dolores "La Pasionaria" Ibarruri, eh? A rich source of inspirational quotes for sure, here's a couple more:

Trotskyism must be rooted out of the proletarian ranks of our Party as one roots out poisonous weeds. The Trotskyists must be rooted out and disposed of like wild beasts[...]

f there is an adage that says in normal times it is preferable to acquit a hundred guilty ones rather than punish a single innocent one, when the life of a people is in danger, it is better to convict a hundred innocent ones than to acquit a single guilty one.

and of course

To speak about the triumph of socialism over one-sixth of the earth, to write about the lush development of agriculture in the Soviet Union, a development unequalled by any other country, to admire the astonishing growth of socialist industry and the impetuous gains of the workers, to marvel at the unprecedented accomplishments of the mighty Soviet air force, at the mighty beefing up of the Soviet navy, to describe the glorious exploits of the Red Army liberator of peoples, to study the wonderful framework of the huge socialist state with its multiple nationalities united by unbreakable bonds of fraternal friendship, to observe the progress of science, art and of the culture of all Soviet peoples, the joyous life of their children, women, workers, peasants and intellectuals, the abiding security of everyone and their faith in the future, to know the daily life of socialism and the heroic actions of the Soviet people means to see Stalin, to cite Stalin, to encounter Stalin.

What a lady! A lover of freedom and the great deeds thereof, such as... uh, the massacre of over 1,000 political prisoners in the Jarama valley in November 1936, while she was holding the line against the badguys with her famous catchphrase.

[ReBoot]

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Women get called men or trans by these groups if they look like:

Normal everyday adult looking woman
Women that have a mature voice
Women that have a chin larger then a small child's
Women that dress normally and not like a adult cosplay artist or adult actress
Women who take a strong or intelligent role in a game centered around a White Male.

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

These forums have become 90% US politics with all the hate that comes with that. Maybe its time for a no politics rule.

By pouring more fuel into the fire, you're contributing to the problem, not to a solution. If you really want this situation to become better, don't do what you just did. Instead, report, block, move on. Don't engage. That's what you can do to make the situation better or, at least, not worse.

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

Block people you don't want to engage with and move along. Simple.

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Pretty much every single highly rated game proves this entire theory wrong. The only thing you said here that has any weight is "any reference to sexism, racism, or bigotry", but this comes with caveats. If the game has a story and there is a legitimate reason for it to be brought up then it is fine, if your entire game is going to be propaganda piece with absolutely unnecessary labels then nobody wants it, we can get our fill of this by watching the news.

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Again, pretty much every single successful game proves this wrong.

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

You don't have to tolerate any demands, they aren't demands.They are conditions that people have which determine if they will buy the game or not. You cannot force people to buy a game, this is the power of capitalism.

[MemeMachine]

You are the type of "player" who is the minority on steam, please understand this and stop screaming about every little thing you dislike.

[skOsH♥]

I dislike the people who don't apply their reasoning the way they mean to

An actual perspective that is valid is "no real life politics in a video game...or as close to none as possible, with parodies of politics at the most"

Now "anti-woke" people are just brainwashed by Andrew Tate or something or some radical viewpoint because their arguments don't make sense

It's when a game tries to be inclusive and it becomes exclusive, using politics. Or it doesn't try to be a game, it focuses too much on non game elements that would be there to spark controversy. That's stupid...

[Crazy Tiger]

Just play your games, OP.

[primeinsurrection]

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

I remember when the steam forums were about discussing the games and helping people with tech issues or the game-play. Now there is a epidemic of threads from the anti-woke activists on steam. Look at most of the new games being released and you will see their complaints and demands. It's at the point that people can't discuss games on steam without having to deal with this group. What is the solution?

From reading these threads the anti-woke have indicated they want these things removed from games:

Black people
Gay people
Lesbians
Any minority that isn't Japanese or Chinese.
Anyone who has a sexual preference or identity that isn't straight
Anyone who isn't straight white male or Japanese/Chinese removed from jobs in the games industry
Any reference to sexism, racism or bigotry
Women in the games industry

Women get called men or trans by these groups if they look like:

Normal everyday adult looking woman
Women that have a mature voice
Women that have a chin larger then a small child's
Women that dress normally and not like a adult cosplay artist or adult actress
Women who take a strong or intelligent role in a game centered around a White Male.

What the anti-woke seem to want based on their threads:

White straight men
No chins
big chests
Young looking east Asian school girls
Lolicon anime girls
High pitched school girl voices
More lolicon Avatars for their profiles
All women to be dressed like either school girls or adult cosplay stars
Games industry jobs to only be given to white straight men

Does this sound like reasonable demands to you valve?

Should we tolerate these demands and the bigotry aimed at a significant amount of men and women on your platform?

These forums have become 90% US politics with all the hate that comes with that. Maybe its time for a no politics rule.

Its not that we want anything removed from all games. Its that we dont want to be bombarded with it. I like karate. Imagine if karate was in every commercial, pushed all over Xbox and Steam, if anyone spoke against karate they were banned and people didnt like them, karate had its own days to be celebrated, parades, political groups even though it has nothing to do with politics, etc. And the gov seems to be funding all this. Does that sound crazy to you?

[Nx Machina]

Thread title: What the anti-woke steam posters want. What is the solution Valve?

The solution would to stop both the woke and the anti-woke creating threads and placing the blame on each other for their own biases while asking leading questions which will cement those biases.

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

What is your opinion of gay or lesbian people?

What is your opinion of women without curves?

Well we have it. You hate both and that's why you created this thread and why your really here.

And finally this is not about wanting things removing nor not wanting them included, it is about having things forced onto those who simply want to play for example Dragon Age Veilguard without all the unnecessary lecturing throughout the narrative about inclusion.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Thread title: What the anti-woke steam posters want. What is the solution Valve?

The solution would to stop both the woke and the anti-woke creating threads and placing the blame on each other for their own biases while asking leading questions which will cement those biases.

Originally posted by Obi WanX Konami:

What is your opinion of gay or lesbian people?

What is your opinion of women without curves?

Well we have it. You hate both and that's why you created this thread and why your really here.

And finally this is not about wanting things removing nor not wanting them included, it is about having things forced onto those who simply want to play for example Dragon Age Veilguard without all the unnecessary lecturing throughout the narrative about inclusion.

unfortunately easy solutions don't tackle the true issue which is the trope that "both sides are as bad as eachother"

they're not.

one is aligned with racism, bigotry and generally all the awful sides of politics and religion and the other is simply about accepting differences.

most of the regular "anti woke" posters here have stated in their post history that they can't actually talk here about what they want due to fear of moderation where's any "pro woke" poster can with impunity as its just about common decency.

there are bad faith examples which will appear a few mins after I hit post.

there's good reason why I can post freely on caring but others can't about hate.