Warning: Delta Force Installs Invasive Kernel-Level Spyware and Causes System Issues

[mohissa0441m]

"WARNING! Delta Force installs highly invasive kernel-level spyware disguised as AntiCheatExpert (ACE). This anti-cheat software feels like it’s spying on you and causes serious conflicts with other anti-cheat systems like Easy Anti-Cheat (EAC), which is already kernel-level. The most frustrating part? Even after uninstalling Delta Force, ACE's services remain active on your system, causing issues with other games!

I tried to launch a game using EAC, and I got the error message: 'Please close ACE-BASE before launching.' Even when Delta Force was uninstalled, ACE's services were still interfering with my system!

This is completely unacceptable for a free game. The risks to your privacy and system stability are too high. Here's how to remove ACE if you want to fix your system:

Open CMD as Administrator and enter these commands:
sc delete ACE-GAME
sc delete ACE-BASE
sc delete "AntiCheatExpert Service"
sc delete "AntiCheatExpert Protection"
Restart your PC to finalize the removal. Save yourself the trouble and protect your privacy—stay far away from this game!"

[superblake_]

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

Ben Lubar lähetti viestin:

Microsoft is not removing the APIs that its paying customers rely on in order to make some gamers happy.

no one said anything about them "removing access to make gamers happy".

they are removing access because of stuff like the cloudstrike issue, ie.. they are doing it for security and will likely work with companies who were relying on kernel access for their software, to have a working solution to run outside of the kernel.

anywho, convos done, bye, have a nice day :gk_smile:

Really you did in this reply.

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

well, firstly.. you vote with your wallet and avoid games with all that 3rd party bs (ignoring crap added after you bought it, while then ignoring studios that do this, in the future).

secondly, you are in luck, as microsoft is removing kernel access as a thing for anticheats to use, thus all those kernel level anticheats will no longer have that access and will have to find another solution (and soon before it happens) or end up closing their business(s).

You also said it in this reply.

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

Ben Lubar lähetti viestin:

No, they are not.

yes, they are.

It does not mater how you said it you still said it.

[xBCxRangers]

I'm struggling to see how this game is even legal in the first place. It seems they just stole all the assets of BF 2042 and just made new maps.

[MonkehMaster]

superblake_ lähetti viestin:

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

no one said anything about them "removing access to make gamers happy".

they are removing access because of stuff like the cloudstrike issue, ie.. they are doing it for security and will likely work with companies who were relying on kernel access for their software, to have a working solution to run outside of the kernel.

anywho, convos done, bye, have a nice day

Really you did in this reply.

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

well, firstly.. you vote with your wallet and avoid games with all that 3rd party bs (ignoring crap added after you bought it, while then ignoring studios that do this, in the future).

secondly, you are in luck, as microsoft is removing kernel access as a thing for anticheats to use, thus all those kernel level anticheats will no longer have that access and will have to find another solution (and soon before it happens) or end up closing their business(s).

You also said it in this reply.

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

yes, they are.

It does not mater how you said it you still said it.

didnt say anything besides what i wrote (ie.... said nothing about "making gamers happy").

bye, wont reply to you again, have a nice day

[mohissa0441m]

Yzal lähetti viestin:

Warning? it's literally on the store page
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2507950/Delta_Force/

Uses Kernel Level Anti-Cheat
Anti-Cheat Expert (ACE)

I understand that the game may have its warnings listed on the store page but Im sharing my personal experience with it Sometimes even with warnings, players may not fully understand the implications of certain software or services, especially if theyre unfamiliar with them Its important to raise awareness so others can make an informed decision before installing My goal here is to help others avoid potential issues not just to criticize.

[WiseGuye]

xBCxRangers lähetti viestin:

I'm struggling to see how this game is even legal in the first place. It seems they just stole all the assets of BF 2042 and just made new maps.

They are in China. China has ZERO copyright laws. It's sad but they can't get in any trouble.

[WiseGuye]

I bet you have social media lol. If so, that spies on you more than any kernel level anti cheat.


I really hope Aliens don't come to Earth just yet.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Good ol' Tencent. The CCP at it again.

[fluxtorrent]

xBCxRangers lähetti viestin:

I'm struggling to see how this game is even legal in the first place. It seems they just stole all the assets of BF 2042 and just made new maps.

Chalk another one up for the police not understanding the law.

[duglasmark94]

So what - some idiots wants HARD anti-cheat so devs added kernel-level spyware disguised as AntiCheatExpert (ACE). Seems good to me.
Lets wait people to cry about privacy invastion

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Games Installs Invasive Kernel-Level Spyware and Causes System Issues

mohissa0441m lähetti viestin:

...

Such posts and scaremongering on Steam without facts should also be banned

Dont forget:

• Easy Anti-Cheat by Epic Games, Inc. - USA
  
• PunkBuster by Even Balance, Inc.- USA
  
• BattlEye by BattlEye Innovations. - Germany
  
• nProtect GameGuard by INCA Internet Co., Ltd. - South Korea
  
• Xigncode3 by Wellbia.com Co., Ltd. - South Korea
  
• Denuvo Anti-Cheat by Denuvo Software Solutions GmbH (Irdeto) - Austria
  
• Vanguard by Riot Games, Inc. - USA
  
• Valve Anti Cheat - Valve Corporation - USA

and many more. ""WARNING! product XY installs highly invasive kernel-level spyware" are well and good, but I think there are a lot of double standards and politically motivated contributions at work here.

There is also a lack of evidence for everything else that is often criticized. Besides, why people even buy/play games with anti-cheat if they don't like it? And why are these products were not removed from the respective library?

Questions, about questions...

Post some concrete data logs about this highly invasive spyware. Post evidence of how data is misused in this context.

[Ben Lubar]

ペンギン lähetti viestin:

Such posts and scaremongering on Steam without facts should also be banned

ペンギン lähetti viestin:

Valve Anti Cheat - Valve Corporation - USA

You first.

[ペンギン]

Ben Lubar lähetti viestin:

ペンギン lähetti viestin:

Such posts and scaremongering on Steam without facts should also be banned

ペンギン lähetti viestin:

Valve Anti Cheat - Valve Corporation - USA

You first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

Recognizing kernel level cheats usually requires kernel access. Without personal data (unique identifiers, whether software or hardware) and deeper system modifications, such a thing is not even possible. Moreover, Valve is forced to go with the technology in this area.

Otherwise, feel free to post more intel (as the one who always presents himself as a developer with the attitude of knowing more as others). We can also shift the burden of proof.

[Crashed]

MonkehMaster lähetti viestin:

Ben Lubar lähetti viestin:

Microsoft is not removing the APIs that its paying customers rely on in order to make some gamers happy.

no one said anything about them "removing access to make gamers happy".

they are removing access because of stuff like the cloudstrike issue, ie.. they are doing it for security and will likely work with companies who were relying on kernel access for their software, to have a working solution to run outside of the kernel.

anywho, convos done, bye, have a nice day :gk_smile:

Where did they say they were removing the kernel mode APIs, and not just adding file filtering APIs to the usermode? Spreading misinformation can be harmful.

[insk1p]

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[Tito Shivan]

The game seemed interesting, but seeing the developer behind it and the ACS requirements I'm going to pass for now.

I'm already getting my modern shooter fix with BF 2042's bot matches. As I have no interest in the multiplayer section of those games.

xBCxRangers lähetti viestin:

I'm struggling to see how this game is even legal in the first place. It seems they just stole all the assets of BF 2042 and just made new maps.

I highlighted the key words for you to understand.