biesoid 2023 年 9 月 17 日 上午 11:15
Game publishers don't understand how inflation works
Inflation doesn't mean people have more money to spend on games, it means cost of food, electricity, gas etc. rises, so people have less money to spend on entertainment and they will eventually give up and quit the hobby.
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Start_Running 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 2:45 
引用自 biesoid
Inflation doesn't mean people have more money to spend on games, it means cost of food, electricity, gas etc. rises, so people have less money to spend on entertainment and they will eventually give up and quit the hobby.
Actually you
ve got it wrong. Inflatuion is where the supply of money increases, and ergo the purchasing power of each power drops. I.e. Good old supply and demand, That's why inflation causes prices to rise.



引用自 biesoid
The topic is about publishers trying to use inflation as an excuse to raise prices despite still making hundreds of millions in profits.
You wanna know the joke. Games have been lagging behind inflation for decades. Like to an extreme degree. Compared to everything else Games have been relatively inflation proof but even games aren't immune to inflation.

引用自 biesoid
There is no need to raise the price if Diablo 4 made $666 revenue in 5 days, so if the game cost $300 mil they made $300 mil already, now imagine if the game was cheaper and they only made $200 mil in 5 days, really hard to understand.
Fun story. Publishers will charge as much as the market lets them get away wirth. SO if you don't like the price.. just don't buy. It'll drop to your range ..eventyually.
biesoid 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 2:46 
引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi
Long story short, OP. Fun thing about hobbies, they can be as expensive or as cheap as you make them. However, whales are always going to be in the front running with the newest, rarest, or most costly releases.

That's no different than say, collectible card games.

The way this is going is they will try to squeeze out the whales, as the economic decline continues casuals will stop buying games and they will focus on more and more aggressive monetization in games, so instead of letting more people have fun playing games, they will focus on whales and that sucks, because who wants to wait months to buy the game until price is acceptable.

In the long run of course they will realise damage they have done as gaming becomes more exclusive, but many people will just give up and move on by that time.
Leonardo Da Pinchi 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 2:48 
引用自 biesoid
引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi
Long story short, OP. Fun thing about hobbies, they can be as expensive or as cheap as you make them. However, whales are always going to be in the front running with the newest, rarest, or most costly releases.

That's no different than say, collectible card games.

The way this is going is they will try to squeeze out the whales, as the economic decline continues casuals will stop buying games and they will focus on more and more aggressive monetization in games, so instead of letting more people have fun playing games, they will focus on whales and that sucks, because who wants to wait months to buy the game until price is acceptable.

In the long run of course they will realise damage they have done as gaming becomes more exclusive, but many people will just give up and move on by that time.
Then, let the Devs fail. Play the games you have now. Plus, there will ALWAYS be indie devs.
C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 2:49 
引用自 biesoid
引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi
Long story short, OP. Fun thing about hobbies, they can be as expensive or as cheap as you make them. However, whales are always going to be in the front running with the newest, rarest, or most costly releases.

That's no different than say, collectible card games.

The way this is going is they will try to squeeze out the whales, as the economic decline continues casuals will stop buying games and they will focus on more and more aggressive monetization in games, so instead of letting more people have fun playing games, they will focus on whales and that sucks, because who wants to wait months to buy the game until price is acceptable.

In the long run of course they will realise damage they have done as gaming becomes more exclusive, but many people will just give up and move on by that time.
The damage they've done? A couple of months ago, Steam broke it's concurrent player records twice in the same month.

Also, there are 125 million active Steam accounts.

If they've done so much damage, why are people still playing? This isn't slowing down, in fact, it's the exact opposite.
最后由 C²C^Guyver |NZB| 编辑于; 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 2:50
Leonardo Da Pinchi 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 2:54 
I mean, I was living off $1,000 a month for about 10 years, and still found funds for the occasional game.

By the time my financials stabilized I had a library of over 500 games on Steam, and 200 someodd across other PC platforms and consoles.
Mad Scientist 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 3:18 
引用自 biesoid
引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi
Long story short, OP. Fun thing about hobbies, they can be as expensive or as cheap as you make them. However, whales are always going to be in the front running with the newest, rarest, or most costly releases.

That's no different than say, collectible card games.

The way this is going is they will try to squeeze out the whales, as the economic decline continues casuals will stop buying games and they will focus on more and more aggressive monetization in games, so instead of letting more people have fun playing games, they will focus on whales and that sucks, because who wants to wait months to buy the game until price is acceptable.

In the long run of course they will realise damage they have done as gaming becomes more exclusive, but many people will just give up and move on by that time.
The biggest income for some games is cosmetics, which hardly makes any of that an issue whatsoever. Since those are purely optional and you don't have to spend money on it, the game keeps operating for servers or getting content DLC because people choose to get those things.

引用自 biesoid
development companies and publishers should start with reducing their cost first. Bob Kotick doesn't need a yacht, sell yacht pay higher salaries to devs, don't hire useless celebrities like Megan Fox in MK1 and game can be still normally priced.
Most of the people working on games aren't billionaires, they're regular people with normal paying jobs. They have bills to pay, just like anyone else. The cost of games has been identical for decades, this is such a non-issue.
Mad Scientist 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 3:20 
引用自 󠀡󠀡
引用自 AmsterdamHeavy

Here, Ill make you feel better:

In 1982, Atari PacMan raised the going price for top shelf games from $45 to $50.

Later in 1982, Atari Defender raised that price again from $50 to $55.

55 1982 dollars is $175 now.

Gaming remains an especially cheap pastime, especially on a per hour of entertainment basis. In fact, it is historically cheaper than it has ever been. Compare that $70 AAA title to $175 for not-quite-8 bit Defender.
If someone was charging $90 for a tissue in 1982 and the prices stayed the same, that wouldn't make it any better. I think Americans are forgetting that other continents exist such as Europe, where salaries aren't as high.
They have the option to leave the nations-group entity if they want to pay in local currency rather than the nation-group prices and currency.
miakisfan 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:07 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
引用自 biesoid


Todd Howard is driving Dodge Viper and you are betatesting $80 Starfield.
And you are complaining about game prices and inflation on a forum where there is nothing but other Steam users.


We don't control game prices, Valve does not control game prices for games that they didn't make. Also, no game publisher or developer is going to come into this thread and ask why you are upset.

They may all be Steam users but that doesn't mean they are all Steam fans. Some people just look for things to complain about. 95%+ of the time it ends up being more about themselves than the actual discussion that needs to be had. Don't be surprised if some of them are actually only logged onto Steam to use the social media functions here.

Note: I didn't see any actual numbers from the topic creator. There is absolutely no information other than an explanation of what they believe is keeping people from affording games, i.e. themselves and those who complain along with (insert pronoun so I don't hurt feelings).

As some others folks have said it is all about priorities, i.e. reality. Sadly there are some folks not living in it right now (if you live in the U.S. right now you know exactly what I mean). There are far worse things going on in the world than game pricing.
C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:13 
My point was that so many people here assume that these forums are a point of contact for any developer or Valve. You are discussing things with other Steam users.

Valve isn't sitting somewhere, taking notes on what is posted in these forums.

We certainly can't do anything about regional pricing either, nor can Valve or any other developer or publisher. Go talk to your government bodies and see what they have to say.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:32 
引用自 dazza0511
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
Valve isn't sitting somewhere, taking notes on what is posted in these forums.
I wish they were, they need to do something about the early access refund abuse and I don't mean early access indie games. I mean the premium edition of games granting early access. People playing 50 hours of Starfield and getting a refund.

Valve and the game devs understand the abuse with Early Access play before release refunds. It's not new.

:summercat2023:
Satoru 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:43 
It seems sort of bizarre that you think inflation only applies to people and that it doesn't impact goods and services in any way? Do you understand what inflation actually means? Because you don't actually seem to?

If the costs of base services are going up, that means those costs go up for everyone including corporations. Unlike physical goods, a game cannot 'shrink-flate' their game to keep price the same despite increasing operating costs

also you'd likely be the first out with your picthforks if gamedevs did you know things like reusing assets and animations between games to you know 'save costs'. but you call it 'being lazy'. So they either save costs and are called lazy, or create bespoke assets for literally everything and then you're wondering why games are so expensive to make. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:45
Start_Running 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:44 
引用自 miakisfan
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
And you are complaining about game prices and inflation on a forum where there is nothing but other Steam users.


We don't control game prices, Valve does not control game prices for games that they didn't make. Also, no game publisher or developer is going to come into this thread and ask why you are upset.

They may all be Steam users but that doesn't mean they are all Steam fans. Some people just look for things to complain about. 95%+ of the time it ends up being more about themselves than the actual discussion that needs to be had. Don't be surprised if some of them are actually only logged onto Steam to use the social media functions here.
Why would you be a fan of a company. I mean This is just busineass.

引用自 miakisfan
As some others folks have said it is all about priorities, i.e. reality. Sadly there are some folks not living in it right now (if you live in the U.S. right now you know exactly what I mean). There are far worse things going on in the world than game pricing.
Dude. The US is living large compared to where I am so don't complain m8.
Simple truth is, You either keep up with your earning power. or you cut back on stuff.
Simple as. And strangely enough you'd be surprised at how many great games you can get as long as you're not cghasing launch day AAA releases.
miakisfan 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 6:31 
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
My point was that so many people here assume that these forums are a point of contact for any developer or Valve. You are discussing things with other Steam users.

Valve isn't sitting somewhere, taking notes on what is posted in these forums.

We certainly can't do anything about regional pricing either, nor can Valve or any other developer or publisher. Go talk to your government bodies and see what they have to say.

I agree with 99% of everything you said. The only thing I don't is thinking someone isn't watching these boards, Steam or otherwise. It pays to knows what people are thinking no matter if it is negative or positive.

And if I am being honest here then if Steam or developer controlled boards aren't being followed closely what is the point of forums? There have to be mods running them. At some point something will be said that gets directed to the right people.
Start_Running 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 6:46 
引用自 miakisfan
引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
My point was that so many people here assume that these forums are a point of contact for any developer or Valve. You are discussing things with other Steam users.

Valve isn't sitting somewhere, taking notes on what is posted in these forums.

We certainly can't do anything about regional pricing either, nor can Valve or any other developer or publisher. Go talk to your government bodies and see what they have to say.

I agree with 99% of everything you said. The only thing I don't is thinking someone isn't watching these boards, Steam or otherwise. It pays to knows what people are thinking no matter if it is negative or positive.

And if I am being honest here then if Steam or developer controlled boards aren't being followed closely what is the point of forums? There have to be mods running them. At some point something will be said that gets directed to the right people.
You'd be surprised m8.
You'd be surprised. The point of the boards.. is right there in the name. DIscussion. It's for users to discuss stuff amongst themselves.

Always remember in capitalism there's a constant tug of war between buyers and sellers. Sellers will always charge the maximum price they can get away with.
miakisfan 2023 年 9 月 17 日 下午 6:49 
引用自 Start_Running
引用自 miakisfan

They may all be Steam users but that doesn't mean they are all Steam fans. Some people just look for things to complain about. 95%+ of the time it ends up being more about themselves than the actual discussion that needs to be had. Don't be surprised if some of them are actually only logged onto Steam to use the social media functions here.
Why would you be a fan of a company. I mean This is just busineass.

引用自 miakisfan
As some others folks have said it is all about priorities, i.e. reality. Sadly there are some folks not living in it right now (if you live in the U.S. right now you know exactly what I mean). There are far worse things going on in the world than game pricing.
Dude. The US is living large compared to where I am so don't complain m8.
Simple truth is, You either keep up with your earning power. or you cut back on stuff.
Simple as. And strangely enough you'd be surprised at how many great games you can get as long as you're not cghasing launch day AAA releases.

1) You can be a fan of a business and realize it is a business. Besides, I never said I was a fan. I appreciate what they do. BIG difference.

2) You know the people who say the U.S. is "living large" aren't paying attention to what has been going on here lately ... not to mention that some folk keep fooling themselves into believing the U.S. economy doesn't have a part in the larger world. You pay zero attention to what the U.S. gives to other countries. That's the simple truth. If you were as smart as you sound you'd be in the U.S. "living large" with the rest of us. It's a straw man argument that is used by people who can't be honest. BTW it isn't my fault or the fault of others where you live. If you want to better yourself you know what to do.

Look, I don't want to come across as an angry American. I want people to realize it is a lot harder everywhere than what you think ... including in the U.S. which is a place people are rushing to from all parts of the world right now. Thanks to the people in charge right now this is far from being the America you think it is and inflation is a big part of that.

Fact is video games are a first world problem no matter where you live because they aren't a necessity. That's the real end game. There's rarely a great ending in real life no matter where you live.
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